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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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I only brought up the fact that Cone doesn't let KQ bring up the ball and defends the 2nd-shortest player on the opposing team. Is that still a 3 the same way Gabe Norwood was? At the FIBA level, all players have to at least make open corner threes or make any open shot for that matter... which we saw KQ do last year with ease when bundled with bigger players (Heading at the 1, Andre Roberson at the 3, McKenzie Moore at the 4 but not his natural position, and Dwight Howard at the 5).

I'm pretty sure he wasn't included in Gilas because of his shooting... it's because at age 23, there's still time to train his body to guard multiple positions given his height and his wingspan. How that translates to the KBL are just repetitions and habits. He's played a game and a half, some KBL expert tweets he's a tweener, so we compare him to Caidic who's never played outside the PBA, never really faced world class competition (Jones Cup '84 as if Joe Wolf is better than Patrick Ewing), and played in an era where Joey Loyzaga guarded centers. Give KQ time.
 
Yes Caidic has said it many times he’s a 2 (shooting guard). In the RP teams, Lagerlite (PABL) and NCC I’ve seen him play he’s mostly a shooting guard. When Allan and Samboy are on the court together, Samboy’s the 3 and Allan is still the 2.

He maybe taller than the usual 2 in the 1980s But he’s still the 2 as you can see how he positions and moves on the court.

Yes, same with what I witnessed. I'll take his word for it (not to mention actual players and coaches agree). If the greatest shooting wing says he's a shooting guard, then that's what I'll consider him.

Guys don't even know that a lot of times, there are players that are playing on the court at the same time who have the same "labeled" position. At any given time there can be 2 PGs, 2 SGs, 2 SFs, etc on the floor at the same time. There's no rule saying you can only have one at a time.

Heck Kai and JMF plays together so what does that make Kai now? Kai's taller so maybe JMF is the PF, but wait JMF is slow so he's the C...it's asinine.
 
This Sono team would have been on the higher part of the standings if they managed to lure KQ to play for them from the very start of the season. KQ just seems to make this team look better, he has 15 pts already with a quarter to go. He is scoring some double digits with terrible shooting as hell, I expect him to score an easy 20 pts if he is back with his usual shooting percentage.
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Yes, same with what I witnessed. I'll take his word for it (not to mention actual players and coaches agree). If the greatest shooting wing says he's a shooting guard, then that's what I'll consider him.

Guys don't even know that a lot of times, there are players that are playing on the court at the same time who have the same "labeled" position. At any given time there can be 2 PGs, 2 SGs, 2 SFs, etc on the floor at the same time. There's no rule saying you can only have one at a time.

Heck Kai and JMF plays together so what does that make Kai now? Kai's taller so maybe JMF is the PF, but wait JMF is slow so he's the C...it's asinine.

Quite arrogant of U to describe people who doesn't agree with your opinion as an asinine. Do U expect everybody's opinion/view will agree with yours?

I was just saying that during the 90's the Allan Caidic who played for the Philippine team played mostly at the 3 position or the small forward spot & I have proof for that. I never said that Caidic never played as a 2-guard or shooting guard. That's why I said, Caidic probably played mostly as a 2-guard during his stints with the RP-NCC & perhaps during his Great Taste & Presto Tivoli days.

Remember that basketball during the 90's was different from this modern day game where players are more versatile & flexible. At that time the term "position less basketball" did not yet exist.
 
Quite arrogant of U to describe people who doesn't agree with your opinion as an asinine. Do U expect everybody's opinion/view will agree with yours?

I was just saying that during the 90's the Allan Caidic who played for the Philippine team played mostly at the 3 position or the small forward spot & I have proof for that. I never said that Caidic never played as a 2-guard or shooting guard. That's why I said, Caidic probably played mostly as a 2-guard during his stints with the RP-NCC & perhaps during his Great Taste & Presto Tivoli days.

Remember that basketball during the 90's was different from this modern day game where players are more versatile & flexible. At that time the term "position less basketball" did not yet exist.

The act of pigeonholing players is asinine, not necessarily the people.

The Kai/JMF example answers your question. One of them is "labeled" as the PF when they play together. But we all know they're both centers.
 
KQ with those main character-like plays againala Kobe Paras. He needs to get rid of that mentality that FR..
 
First quarter, kept trying to shoot and iso a lot, didn’t really work out. His handle isn’t great and he’s also slow, even with screens defenders can catch up to him and he isn’t an efficient self creator from the perimeter. after coming off the bench he was playing more within the system. Noticeable how his length bothered players and he got plenty of deflections.
 
What I'm thinking is this:

Who would you assign to defend these natural shooting guards in Asia-Oceania basketball?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNn6GFl16Mc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvAu-y6WGEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IhbXnsZscE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWFtAligD6o

Would you put a KQ to defend any of those guys? Or you would put a Dwight Ramos or Chris Newsome (who are both natural 2-guards) instead? I doubt KQ can keep in step with those guys.

Yeah, KQ is laterally slow and realistically not a great perimeter defender but if his hypothetical role in Gilas was as a shooter he’d be making up for it on offense while the coach schemes to hide him on defense. He would be a shooter on offense and probably switch to guarding the weaker offensive guy on defense
 
Yeah, KQ is laterally slow and realistically not a great perimeter defender but if his hypothetical role in Gilas was as a shooter he’d be making up for it on offense while the coach schemes to hide him on defense. He would be a shooter on offense and probably switch to guarding the weaker offensive guy on defense


Does the KBL have defensive 3 seconds? Last I checked, players being able to lock up another player one-on-one is a mere bonus to FIBA teams that only need to crowd the paint with size and length. If the opposition plays high pick and roll against a 3 or a 2 on a drop coverage (which Chot's teams had no answer for when Norwood retired)... would anyone seriously want Ramos or Newsome in the paint if Kai or JMF go over? That's what KQ's supposed length is for. Not so much him being able to chase a player around... but as either as weakside help or at least try to mess up the big who thinks it's gonna be an easy basket. Abando had a handful of these that resulted in spectacular swats in the KBL. KQ actually had a swipe on the big in this game a few hours ago on a similar action. At least that's why I think he's there and not in some larong labas. The guy just had a bad game but still had 18 points and 8 boards... in the KBL
 
Duncan Robinson is another somewhat viable comp for KQ. While KQ's length is excellent for our standards, Duncan just upgrades it to NBA standards with his 6'7 height and 7'1 wingspan.

Physically, they both lack foot speed in the perimeter and lack enough strength for the inside.

Duncan's limitations on defense is hidden by using him primarily on other shooters. He also does a good job of using footwork, positioning, length and effort to be playable and even start for an NBA team.

Offensively, he can't dribble much and lacks speed and strength for other shots other than 3s.

Despite all that, he started for a Heat team that reached the Finals.

Granted, KQ is not at that level of shooting prowess...in all other areas (in our Asian level) KQs ceiling is much higher.
 
On issues like how is he going to guard Arakji, Webster, etc one-on-one? That's not how it works.

Teams always have game plans. When you're against Michael Jordan, not every team will just ask their SG to go ahead and stop MJ. You gameplan for him. It can either be you let him eat but make sure others don't, you "Jordan rules" him, you double-team, defend straight up, etc. Point is, some players require gameplanning.

It's how Kai/JMF didn't get cooked by quicker opposing bigs, there was a game plan.

Cross-matching is also not banned. Newsome is allowed to defend RHJ.

It's not a playground tao-tao game where you're on your own prohibited from using any team strategy.
 
KQ although slow wont be that much of a liablity cause hes got decent size and is smart. He can rotate properly but he wont ever be a great one on one defender
 
On issues like how is he going to guard Arakji, Webster, etc one-on-one? That's not how it works.

Teams always have game plans. When you're against Michael Jordan, not every team will just ask their SG to go ahead and stop MJ. You gameplan for him. It can either be you let him eat but make sure others don't, you "Jordan rules" him, you double-team, defend straight up, etc. Point is, some players require gameplanning.

It's how Kai/JMF didn't get cooked by quicker opposing bigs, there was a game plan.

Cross-matching is also not banned. Newsome is allowed to defend RHJ.

It's not a playground tao-tao game where you're on your own prohibited from using any team strategy.

I agree. Just like how are small guards didn't get cooked against tall guards in 2014. Enough prep time and good strategy might help them be competitive. In today's game, there is such a thing as early switch so a mismatched can be minimized is a small guard is defending a big player and vice versa.
 
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