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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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thatweirdguy said:
Who are the players he's competing with at the 3 spot? Ball handling and defence IMO are his bigger question marks.
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He'll get his minutes in Korea for sure because they're not a good team at all. In La Salle last year, he had Baclaan, Cortez, Pablo, Amos or an FSA in pre-season... the defending champs during the actual season... and don't forget how Al Riyadi locked him down after he was being left open the entire Dubai invitational last year in a stacked lineup with Dwight Howard and Andre Roberson.

I didn't see a problem with his defense in the FIBA game where the refs let players play. He was staying infront and stripping black players bigger and way more athletic than him. It's only in the local amateur game where they call fouls for committing to swipe the ball. Even in Pinoyliga, he didn't look interested in defending.

What he needs in Korea is a class playmaker to play off with. Worst case is KQ does the RJ in Japan thing where his team was asking him to do too much being the only one on the team with a particular skill set.... which is what I see him do if he's been asked to handle and playmake like how RJ was being asked to be Klay Thompson.
 
paolylo said:
He'll get his minutes in Korea for sure because they're not a good team at all. In La Salle last year, he had Baclaan, Cortez, Pablo, Amos or an FSA in pre-season... the defending champs during the actual season... and don't forget how Al Riyadi locked him down after he was being left open the entire Dubai invitational last year in a stacked lineup with Dwight Howard and Andre Roberson.

I didn't see a problem with his defense in the FIBA game where the refs let players play. He was staying infront and stripping black players bigger and way more athletic than him. It's only in the local amateur game where they call fouls for committing to swipe the ball. Even in Pinoyliga, he didn't look interested in defending.

What he needs in Korea is a class playmaker to play off with. Worst case is KQ does the RJ in Japan thing where his team was asking him to do too much being the only one on the team with a particular skill set.... which is what I see him do if he's been asked to handle and playmake like how RJ was being asked to be Klay Thompson.
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I like how in Tamayo's situation, he routinely has to defend or be defended by a (black) import. It's good for his development.

I haven't seen a whole game of KQ's team, but if he turns out to be one of their main options, he might also get a lot of that similar treatment of being defended by opponent's best defenders. Also good for his development.

When it comes to competitiveness though, Carl's a dog which makes his continued development expectations a bit more certain. KQ has that nice guy Lebron vibe.
 
I find it funny that we look down at our basketball and developing our own players and look up on Korea in basketball while the Korean fans are envious on the individual talents of our players. They see Filipino players as individually more skilled, talented and more athletic than their players. Our players' performances in their league are their evidence of such belief.
 
ja.he said:
I find it funny that we look down at our basketball and developing our own players and look up on Korea in basketball while the Korean fans are envious on the individual talents of our players. They see Filipino players as individually more skilled, talented and more athletic than their players. Our players' performances in their league are their evidence of such belief.
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True that.

But it's obvious they went there for the "bag," and since they're already there, it would be good for them to develop as good as possible too. Hence, my preference for them to be defended by black imports rather than locals.
 
ja.he said:
I find it funny that we look down at our basketball and developing our own players and look up on Korea in basketball while the Korean fans are envious on the individual talents of our players. They see Filipino players as individually more skilled, talented and more athletic than their players. Our players' performances in their league are their evidence of such belief.
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In terms of guards, i still think the Philippines still has the best pool in Asia, and the average talent/skill of our guards is on a higher level than the rest. The question has always been our approach to games and the other positions not named guards. This is also not including fil ams (though theyre quite few in korea) guys like Alvano I would not claim as ph developed, even someone like Dwight isnt. Say what you want about the local leagues but weve usually been more welcoming to halfs than our neighbours. (Or even quarters)
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Joe Yabuki said:
In terms of guards, i still think the Philippines still has the best pool in Asia, and the average talent/skill of our guards is on a higher level than the rest. The question has always been our approach to games and the other positions not named guards. This is also not including fil ams (though theyre quite few in korea) guys like Alvano I would not claim as ph developed, even someone like Dwight isnt. Say what you want about the local leagues but weve usually been more welcoming to halfs than our neighbours. (Or even quarters)
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We honestly have the best potential to produce quality guards/wings with legitimate size and skill. Just look at the amount of 6'2-6'7 dudes in the past gen.

Kailangan na lang talaga i implement thoroughly the skills development from a young age.
 
sroth3839 said:
We honestly have the best potential to produce quality guards/wings with legitimate size and skill. Just look at the amount of 6'2-6'7 dudes in the past gen.

Kailangan na lang talaga i implement thoroughly the skills development from a young age.
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Keyword is young talaga. Some of these guys are already on their mid 20s or worse almost 30 when trying to transition in a perimeter player. Heck guys like Balti, KQ etc even had to start their collegiate career late ( due to acads?).
 
thatweirdguy said:
Keyword is young talaga. Some of these guys are already on their mid 20s or worse almost 30 when trying to transition in a perimeter player. Heck guys like Balti, KQ etc even had to start their collegiate career late ( due to acads?).
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The HS program is pretty bad. It is not a development program at all if your the tallest guy. KQ was stuck as a center despite being 6’4. IRC Balti did not have an outside game at all because he was so dominant inside. It was his red shirt season going againt Mbala in practice that led him to lose some weight to be able keep up in the perimeter. Carl Tamayo IRC bulked up when he has 15 and coincidentally had his first major injury. Only being consistently healthy later on.

Raven Cortez was a lean mean kid who was doing Giannis drills. You know where you go for coast to coast layups at full speed. The kid was asked to bulk up and coincidentally tore his ACL IRC. Now he is a much slower player.

Our HS programs have been pretty bad to tall players with potential. Not developing their outside game. Asking them to bulk up. Overstaying. In college they face the reality of needing to play the perimeter vs 6’9-6’11 FSAs. Something HS didnt prepare them for.

Edit: I think a way to force our tall kids to learn the perimeter earlier is to introduce FSAs in senior high. Take note at that age they should have been playing in college before K12. So adding more competition shouldnt be bad. Secondly, this will increase the quality of FSAs since they actually learn the Filipino game earlier.
 
Joe Yabuki said:
In terms of guards, i still think the Philippines still has the best pool in Asia, and the average talent/skill of our guards is on a higher level than the rest. The question has always been our approach to games and the other positions not named guards. This is also not including fil ams (though theyre quite few in korea) guys like Alvano I would not claim as ph developed, even someone like Dwight isnt. Say what you want about the local leagues but weve usually been more welcoming to halfs than our neighbours. (Or even quarters)
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I concede that we do indeed have a "deeper amount" of talent compared to the KBL and even Bleague.

But let's not be too quick to conclude it's because we're better when it comes to development. It's more complicated than that. Korea has about half our population and then add to that that basketball is down their priorities when it comes to top athletes. Meanwhile, basketball is the only game in town in our country. Population and priorities are factors.

So in essence, all guard-sized athletes in our country are in basketball, while their guard-sized athletes are distributed into baseball, football, etc. When it comes to taller players, they've been able to produce D1/NBA level homegrowns ahead of us so it would seem they make good with what they have.
 
KQ I guess was decent. But he does look a bit undersized as PF even in KBL. I think his team will probably try to develop him as SF.
 
Finally, someone mentioned KQs wingspan. According to Baek 6'10".

That plus big hands.

That crazy wingspan is more useful than an extra 1-2 inches of head height.
 
Metta said:
Finally, someone mentioned KQs wingspan. According to Baek 6'10".

That plus big hands.

That crazy wingspan is more useful than an extra 1-2 inches of head height.
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Wow that’s a pretty high wingspan to height ratio. KQ has the potential. I like though that it seems his team plans to work on the holes of his game. It’s a bit funny though that even if both KQ and Dave Ildefonso seem to be targeted for a smaller position than they came in, the team doesnt seem disappointed with KQ and instead are hopeful. Not to take away anything from Dave but looking at his game he still has the same weaknesses as before. For some reason I dont think that will happen with KQ.
 
From Twitter

Baekpd1983

"KQ is slow for SF and short for PF," said the performance analyst at the "S" club, who watched Kevin Quiambao at Sono Arena yesterday.

He also said, "KQ has a habit of missing opposing team players and producing a lot of turnovers in offensive as it goes into the second half."​
 
From Twitter

Baekpd1983

Basketball fans who have seen KBL for more than 25 years argue that Sono club should use Kevin Quiambao like Rhenz Abando when he was a JKJ club.

Their argument = 'Using KQ as 3&D'

#KevinQuiambao #RhenzAbando #KBL​
 
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