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JAMSKIE2
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He's only around 23 yrs old if I'm not mistaken so he's still very much in the development stage
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He's only around 23 yrs old if I'm not mistaken so he's still very much in the development stage
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Athrunzala2
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6-19 from the field. At least he had 12 rebounds, 6 offensive.
crocodile lol
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magic_chiongson2
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crocodile lol
4 assists. one of the things that surprised me about tamayo is that he no longer has tunnel vision whenever he gets the ball, he's become a decent passer as of late. led the team in assists a few times already.
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FilWelsh2
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He's only around 23 yrs old if I'm not mistaken so he's still very much in the development stage
In PBA, 23 still in development stage but not in KBL…
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ARMIR2
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crocodile lol
He has the greenlight to score and he has assists too,there were games he had more assists than the guards.
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JAMSKIE2
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In PBA, 23 still in development stage but not in KBL…
I get your point bro but what I mean is, at 23 yrs old, a player is usually still in the development stage where he still has huge room for improvement.
For instance, how was Arvin Tolentino 5 or 6 yrs ago (when he was 23 or 24 yrs old)? Di ba he wasn't as good as he is right now? How was Jamie Malonzo 5 yrs ago (when he was 23)? Malonzo may already be promising at that time but mejo hilaw pa yung ibang aspeto ng game nya. For one his outside shooting was very much suspect at that time. But he was able to improved his outside shooting in the last 3 yrs or so.
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Joe Yabuki2
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I think our timeline as PH players is abit late given that most of our top prospects usually spend 4-5 years in College as opposed to the US where they would take a year then would go off to the pros, as for me age is somewhat irrelevant to development look at Arvin, seemingly was at his peak during Ginebra but blossomed after being cut late into his 20s
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lem0nadi2
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I think it depends on a players ability, naturally talented players tend to be good even at young age, hence those 1 and done typa player we see at USNCAA transitioning to the NBA at young age. Whereas some players who are not that yet talented do still need some time to developed, thus spending 4-5 years in college even in the USNCAA (Also trying to boost their draft stock). I mean the NBA scouts tend to choose upside potential over experience anyway.
Although I can't see any player in our country who is being capable of being to do a one and done in the UAAP/NCAA. Mainly because coaches does not really seem to give a rookie a heavy minutes or maybe because many of our blue-chip rookies goes to a powerhouse team like UP, DLSU thus they need to earn their minute.
Although to be honest I don't see a player being quickly develop in college ball over professional ball. Like VJ Pre for instance, if a PBA team would get him already, I think he would be quickly developed in PBA rather than staying in the UAAP.
Although I can't see any player in our country who is being capable of being to do a one and done in the UAAP/NCAA. Mainly because coaches does not really seem to give a rookie a heavy minutes or maybe because many of our blue-chip rookies goes to a powerhouse team like UP, DLSU thus they need to earn their minute.
Although to be honest I don't see a player being quickly develop in college ball over professional ball. Like VJ Pre for instance, if a PBA team would get him already, I think he would be quickly developed in PBA rather than staying in the UAAP.
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Joe Yabuki2
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I think it depends on a players ability, naturally talented players tend to be good even at young age, hence those 1 and done typa player we see at USNCAA transitioning to the NBA at young age. Whereas some players who are not that yet talented do still need some time to developed, thus spending 4-5 years in college even in the USNCAA (Also trying to boost their draft stock). I mean the NBA scouts tend to choose upside potential over experience anyway.
Although I can't see any player in our country who is being capable of being to do a one and done in the UAAP/NCAA. Mainly because coaches does not really seem to give a rookie a heavy minutes or maybe because many of our blue-chip rookies goes to a powerhouse team like UP, DLSU thus they need to earn their minute.
Although to be honest I don't see a player being quickly develop in college ball over professional ball. Like VJ Pre for instance, if a PBA team would get him already, I think he would be quickly developed in PBA rather than staying in the UAAP.
this too I think its quite rare for UAAP/NCAA players to be pro ready, if not pro capable at all. look at how many guards we have at the collegiate level and look at how few of those even manage to crack at the PBA.
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JAMSKIE2
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I think it depends on a players ability, naturally talented players tend to be good even at young age, hence those 1 and done typa player we see at USNCAA transitioning to the NBA at young age. Whereas some players who are not that yet talented do still need some time to developed, thus spending 4-5 years in college even in the USNCAA (Also trying to boost their draft stock). I mean the NBA scouts tend to choose upside potential over experience anyway.
Although I can't see any player in our country who is being capable of being to do a one and done in the UAAP/NCAA. Mainly because coaches does not really seem to give a rookie a heavy minutes or maybe because many of our blue-chip rookies goes to a powerhouse team like UP, DLSU thus they need to earn their minute.
Although to be honest I don't see a player being quickly develop in college ball over professional ball. Like VJ Pre for instance, if a PBA team would get him already, I think he would be quickly developed in PBA rather than staying in the UAAP.
Do you think if VJ Pre enters the PBA right now (assuming PBA lowers its player age qualification), he will get the playing time & opportunity needed to really fast track his skills development? Maybe if he lands on teams like Terrafirma, Phoenix, Converge (which lacks quality 4's & 3's), Blackwater, he will get the minutes & opportunity but if he lands on stacked teams like SMB, Ginebra, TnT, he will most likely rot in the bench.
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Metta2
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By necessity, true freshmen Porter and Bahay played major minutes/roles and were able to produce. KQ and Carl (although both were older), Cabanero, Ravenas, etc also played very well in their freshmen year. It's evident, even just seeing them a year, that they would be really good to great pros.
In a parallel universe where local pro teams want to get the most promising prospects as soon as possible (and if they were really trying to build great teams through the draft), they would be one-and-dones. We even have guys like Kai, Bayla, Kiefer Alas, etc who we don't even have to see play in college and we can already forecast as a really good pro. Bleague/KBL teams have been giving pro offers to underclassmen and not waiting for them to graduate.
It doesn't mean that they will immediately be excellent pros, but there is a very high probability than even if you draft them early, chances are they will develop eventually.
In a parallel universe where local pro teams want to get the most promising prospects as soon as possible (and if they were really trying to build great teams through the draft), they would be one-and-dones. We even have guys like Kai, Bayla, Kiefer Alas, etc who we don't even have to see play in college and we can already forecast as a really good pro. Bleague/KBL teams have been giving pro offers to underclassmen and not waiting for them to graduate.
It doesn't mean that they will immediately be excellent pros, but there is a very high probability than even if you draft them early, chances are they will develop eventually.
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lem0nadi2
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Do you think if VJ Pre enters the PBA right now (assuming PBA lowers its player age qualification), he will get the playing time & opportunity needed to really fast track his skills development? Maybe if he lands on teams like Terrafirma, Phoenix, Converge (which lacks quality 4's & 3's), Blackwater, he will get the minutes & opportunity but if he lands on stacked teams like SMB, Ginebra, TnT, he will most likely rot in the bench.
Spending a year or two in professional basketball with limited minutes is definitely better than spending five years in college.
For instance, if he were drafted at 19 or 20 years old, he might need time to adjust, learn, and develop in the pro environment, even if that means limited playing time. Even if he's mostly sitting on the bench, he would still be developing through practice and scrimmages while playing alongside professional grown men. After two years, he’d be just 22 years old with two years of pro experience already.
On the other hand, if he spends all his playing years in college, he’ll be 25 by the time he’s ready to enter the professional ranks. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll get significant minutes right away; he’ll have to earn them just like he would if he were drafted at 20. The transition from amateur to pro is different, as they say.
What if, despite spending all those years in college, he still isn't ready for the pros? He might still need time to develop and could end up sitting on the bench, just like someone who was drafted at a younger age.
Getting drafted at a young age allows more time for development without the pressure of racing against the clock.
Dominating in college doesn’t always translate to professional success. It’s been proven time and again that being a college star doesn’t guarantee a successful pro career. So if he even somehow spend all of his playing years in college and dominating them, it won't necessarily mean he can do the same thing in pro, thus, he also need to adjust and have a development while being older already.
Because if a player already dominated the previous season already? Why do they need another season for?
Best example would be KQ, he already became the MVP and Champion last S86, what is the purpose of him making a come back in S87 if not for a chance of back to back championship? Which did not happen, unfortunately, hence a wasted season for him. He got the MVP, and what difference it made? He just did the same thing he did during the S86. College accolades? does not mean a thing if he fumbles in pro.
They said that he needed that year to further hone his skills, hindi nya ba magagawa yon kung nag-pro sya? with all the technology and advancement KBL has, it would just benefit him actually.
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Silent Killer2
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From Twitter
Ryan Alba
Filipino Excellence in Korea/Japan (among Asian players)
Ray Parks: 2nd in PPG, 4th Pts/36
Kai Sotto: 5th in PPG, 1st in RPG, 2nd in BPG
AJ Edu: 1st in BPG
SJ Belangel: 6th in PPG, 7th in APG
Ethan Alvano: 2nd in PPG, 4th in APG
Carl Tamayo: 9th in PPG, 4th in Pts/36, 3rd in RPG
Ryan Alba
Filipino Excellence in Korea/Japan (among Asian players)
Ray Parks: 2nd in PPG, 4th Pts/36
Kai Sotto: 5th in PPG, 1st in RPG, 2nd in BPG
AJ Edu: 1st in BPG
SJ Belangel: 6th in PPG, 7th in APG
Ethan Alvano: 2nd in PPG, 4th in APG
Carl Tamayo: 9th in PPG, 4th in Pts/36, 3rd in RPG
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Dotch2
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From Twitter
Ryan Alba
Filipino Excellence in Korea/Japan (among Asian players)
Ray Parks: 2nd in PPG, 4th Pts/36
Kai Sotto: 5th in PPG, 1st in RPG, 2nd in BPG
AJ Edu: 1st in BPG
SJ Belangel: 6th in PPG, 7th in APG
Ethan Alvano: 2nd in PPG, 4th in APG
Carl Tamayo: 9th in PPG, 4th in Pts/36, 3rd in RPG
1GDL had a breakout game for his KBL Team scoring 27 points including a clutch 3 to send the game into OT, and scoring 6 points in the overtime to lead his team for the W
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lem0nadi2
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1GDL had a breakout game for his KBL Team scoring 27 points including a clutch 3 to send the game into OT, and scoring 6 points in the overtime to lead his team for the W
It was in KBL D-League.
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Dotch2
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It was in KBL D-League.
that explains the lack of crowd and the venue looks like a practice gym. Thanks
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Dotch2
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It was in KBL D-League.
that explains the lack of crowds and the venue looks a practice gym. Thanks
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Athrunzala2
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1GDL had a breakout game for his KBL Team scoring 27 points including a clutch 3 to send the game into OT, and scoring 6 points in the overtime to lead his team for the W
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDgH-rcdeQs
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JAMSKIE2
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Spending a year or two in professional basketball with limited minutes is definitely better than spending five years in college.
For instance, if he were drafted at 19 or 20 years old, he might need time to adjust, learn, and develop in the pro environment, even if that means limited playing time. Even if he's mostly sitting on the bench, he would still be developing through practice and scrimmages while playing alongside professional grown men. After two years, he’d be just 22 years old with two years of pro experience already.
On the other hand, if he spends all his playing years in college, he’ll be 25 by the time he’s ready to enter the professional ranks. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll get significant minutes right away; he’ll have to earn them just like he would if he were drafted at 20. The transition from amateur to pro is different, as they say.
What if, despite spending all those years in college, he still isn't ready for the pros? He might still need time to develop and could end up sitting on the bench, just like someone who was drafted at a younger age.
Getting drafted at a young age allows more time for development without the pressure of racing against the clock.
Dominating in college doesn’t always translate to professional success. It’s been proven time and again that being a college star doesn’t guarantee a successful pro career. So if he even somehow spend all of his playing years in college and dominating them, it won't necessarily mean he can do the same thing in pro, thus, he also need to adjust and have a development while being older already.
Because if a player already dominated the previous season already? Why do they need another season for?
Best example would be KQ, he already became the MVP and Champion last S86, what is the purpose of him making a come back in S87 if not for a chance of back to back championship? Which did not happen, unfortunately, hence a wasted season for him. He got the MVP, and what difference it made? He just did the same thing he did during the S86. College accolades? does not mean a thing if he fumbles in pro.
They said that he needed that year to further hone his skills, hindi nya ba magagawa yon kung nag-pro sya? with all the technology and advancement KBL has, it would just benefit him actually.
OK, I get your point bro.
But the thing is, those kids need college education. If they turn pro when they are still 19 or 20 yrs old, this means they won't be studying.
Remember, a professional basketball player's career is short. Maybe superstars can have about 15 yrs of pro career but what about the lesser caliber players who might only be good for around a 10-year pro career. What will these high school graduate players be doing to earn a living when their pro careers are over?
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mayfel2
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OK, I get your point bro.
But the thing is, those kids need college education. If they turn pro when they are still 19 or 20 yrs old, this means they won't be studying.
Remember, a professional basketball player's career is short. Maybe superstars can have about 15 yrs of pro career but what about the lesser caliber players who might only be good for around a 10-year pro career. What will these high school graduate players be doing to earn a living when their pro careers are over?
Then, they should not turn professional early. We are seeing now players turn pro before they exhaust their college eligibility like Ramos, Tamayo, Quiambao. However, they play abroad where the salary is higher than the PBA can offer, so the decision is quite easy.
The decision to leave early to play in the PBA is quite risky since the salary and allowance for top collegiate players are almost the same. But if the PBA will increase their rookie salary, I am sure we will see top collegiate players to play in the PBA after their 2nd or 3rd year in college.