Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[carmelo72]

The Spurs refused to trade Jakob for Wisseman.
They rather trade for a future pick or Kuminga, who are at least have a good chance of playing at the NBA level

Still it goes down to the fit of a player on the current/future needs and culture of a Team. And Spurs are known to favor character guys and Wiseman had issues in college (w/Penny Hardaway). Under the right circumstances Wiseman can be an All-star level player (potentially) something Jakob will never be.
James was a 2nd overall pick so talent and potential is there for sure. We talk highly of the opinions of supposed top NBA scouts, analysts, coaches and yet these "experts" made Darko Milicic, Olawakandi, Greg Oden and more recently Anthony Bennett top draft picks so really there are no picks that are fool proof, assessing talent and potential are all hit & miss essentially.

 

[DAdmiral2]

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That's true, the context of why this is being discussed in a Kai Sotto thread is not about talent or potential, which all of them have verified by recognition of either being drafted High (in Kai's case his Ignite invite). But rather their failure to realize their potential despite having the opportunity to be exposed to top level training. What the coaches have seen or lack of it , that has failed to translate their perceived potential talent to being able to play at the NBA level, at least from the perspective of NBA coaches.

 

[coach cj2]

^^
That's true, the context of why this is being discussed in a Kai Sotto thread is not about talent or potential, which all of them have verified by recognition of either being drafted High (in Kai's case his Ignite invite). But rather their failure to realize their potential despite having the opportunity to be exposed to top level training. What the coaches have seen or lack of it , that has failed to translate their perceived potential talent to being able to play at the NBA level, at least from the perspective of NBA coaches.

My analogy for "team fit" is like when you're teaching a

fish to climb a tree and make that fish believe his entire

life that he's stupid coz he can't climb a tree lol

 

[DAdmiral2]

BTW make no mistake about it, despite the following being NBA draft bust

*Darko Milicic, Olawakandi, Greg Oden and Anthony Bennett
In terms of FIBA level talent or playing in Euro league, all of them.are valuable serviceable FIBA, Euro league level quality players .

The same I think will be for Kai in his mid 20s , from a purely FIBA level player I'm confident he is highly valuable.

In being able to translate to the NBA level and fit game style is a different thing all together

 

[jasper2222]

I just don't agree with Yeshkel on one thing. It's true that he's not being passed the ball. Only Mitch McCaron takes a chance on our kid. In today's modern ball, unless you're someone like Joel Embiid, you're rarely passed the ball. Suns fans will tell you that Deandre Ayton was barely passed the ball, and now that CP3 is out he's getting more chances offensively and responding quite well (29 pts 21 rebs vs Utah).

Pass your big the ball. Reward your big man for running the floor.

 

[PeeZones2]

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/128-the-goatmentator-nba-beau-estes/id1526790079?i=1000587420296
Timestamp 52:50

Here is podcast that discussed NBL players including Kai. There are a lot of NBA personalities that still believe that Kai could make it and team fit is really important. He compares Kai to Walker Kessler and it is a good thing that Kai is honing his defensive skills with ADL. They also discussed how NBA teams had overlooked Goulding and the consensus was that teams would not check players that are 26yrs old and beyond. Kai is only 20yrs old and had been playing pro and senior NT starting at age 19. He may have an issue during his 18th yr because of the pandemic but really that is already non-issue. His dev is way advance by playing tougher competition and he only needs to fulfill playing more games this yr including next yr. Kai sched is so stacked next year and I would prefer Gilas to play team USA in the first round. That would be a great experience and exposure for Kai.

 

[PeeZones2]

Kai will play exhibition games against european NT with Gilas after his NBL stint then will play summer league. Afterwards, he will have his hands full playing in the world cup. Let us see what will be Wass plans for Kai after his world cup stint.

 

[carmelo72]

BTW make no mistake about it, despite the following being NBA draft bust

*Darko Milicic, Olawakandi, Greg Oden and Anthony Bennett
In terms of FIBA level talent or playing in Euro league, all of them.are valuable serviceable FIBA, Euro league level quality players .

The same I think will be for Kai in his mid 20s , from a purely FIBA level player I'm confident he is highly valuable.

In being able to translate to the NBA level and fit game style is a different thing all together

call me selfish but personally id rather see Kai become a force in FIBA games and carry PH the way Yao and Hamed did for their countries. Being in the NBA actually would lessen his chances of doning our colors (like JC). But as a fan I also want a homegrown pinoy realized the NBA dream.
The game in Euroleague is just different, things are played much slower, i think it was Giannis who said it
best that because of the lack of overall talent players honed their fundamentals better. Even Semih Erden prefers the Europe style because the NBA was just too fast for
him. And speaking of bigs, 7'3 Edy Tavares couldnt stay on the NbA but a euroleague champion and a 2-time All Euroleague 1st team. The game has changed and maybe only for the NBA because the rest of the world (FIBA games) stayed old-school

 

[TheRodster212]

 

[DAdmiral2]

Good to see at least the recent post are constructive.
For FIBA Kai is really promising, for NBA its really unlikely

 

[zairex2]

Well thats a huge yikes on him getting any overseas prospect, i think that if he couldn't even learn while still in la salle, i doubt he would ever be good at it.

His been coach and teammates that are mostly english speaking. I think he understand and can talk basketball terms. I really dont know why but it might not be the issue with Balti. I doubt Japanese local can talk straight english to their foreign coach.

 

[Rodbi2]

His been coach and teammates that are mostly english speaking. I think he understand and can talk basketball terms. I really dont know why but it might not be the issue with Balti. I doubt Japanese local can talk straight english to their foreign coach.

Yeah, i think it could be something deeper. Perhaps the glaring holes in his game are being exposed and abused in practice, like his supposed wing defense, for example? Then if pegged as a 4 or small-ball 5, he's seen as too weak to defend guys/world imports his size? If so, this development in Balti's game is quite disappointing. I just want to speculate, perhaps he wasn't able to better his game (might have stagnated even or worse, regressed) from the time after the OQT up to his first days with Hiroshima.

 

[IPC2]

Yeah, i think it could be something deeper. Perhaps the glaring holes in his game are being exposed and abused in practice, like his supposed wing defense, for example? Then if pegged as a 4 or small-ball 5, he's seen as too weak to defend guys/world imports his size? If so, this development in Balti's game is quite disappointing. I just want to speculate, perhaps he wasn't able to better his game (might have stagnated even or worse, regressed) from the time after the OQT up to his first days with Hiroshima.

If he hasn't developed between that promising stint with Tab's Gilas and his first days with Hiroshima, that's a problem. That will even lessen his chances of getting called up for Gilas. He's already 25, he better figure it out fast.

He was our best option at 4 (outside Japeth and Malonzo) at one point, e. Good switch and help defender, rebounder, and can knock down a few threes. Those could really be useful for FIBA. But the defense is only useful for switches so far.

As for perimeter defense, Ryan Alba made a compilation of Carl scoring on or at least getting past Balti last UAAP season: https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1585124781275639808?s=20&t=-46_efGCmrEJL3OnH2bNSg

 

[Rds2]

Yeah, i think it could be something deeper. Perhaps the glaring holes in his game are being exposed and abused in practice, like his supposed wing defense, for example? Then if pegged as a 4 or small-ball 5, he's seen as too weak to defend guys/world imports his size? If so, this development in Balti's game is quite disappointing. I just want to speculate, perhaps he wasn't able to better his game (might have stagnated even or worse, regressed) from the time after the OQT up to his first days with Hiroshima.

I think the coach sees him more as a 5. The past couple of weeks he got a minute of PT in 2 games where the game was already decided as a C. This is a bad sign because the world imports play ths position. As I said before, his likely competition is the 6-3/4 Sadohara in the 4/3 spot alongside the import Evans who plays 4/3. While the guy is not fast or long he seems to be a fan favorite. He hustles and mostly makes the right play and I guess a bit good looking. The coach might not be impressed by Baltis play at 4 or 3. Unfortunately Balti does not have the looks or good english skills to add on his basketball play nor does he have the athleticism of like a Thirdy for highlight plays. Balti has shown he can be a key contributor to winning bssketball in Gilas and La Salle. Sadly as an import it seems expectations are higher for him playing a big position and not having pogi boy looks.

 

[Rodbi2]

If he hasn't developed between that promising stint with Tab's Gilas and his first days with Hiroshima, that's a problem. That will even lessen his chances of getting called up for Gilas. He's already 25, he better figure it out fast.

He was our best option at 4 (outside Japeth and Malonzo) at one point, e. Good switch and help defender, rebounder, and can knock down a few threes. Those could really be useful for FIBA. But the defense is only useful for switches so far.

As for perimeter defense, Ryan Alba made a compilation of Carl scoring on or at least getting past Balti last UAAP season: https://twitter.com/_alba__/status/1585124781275639808?s=20&t=-46_efGCmrEJL3OnH2bNSg

Tbf, Carl Tamayo is one offensively skilled dude and is the best approximation among locals on skills of a 3rd rate American world import/Asian NT go-to guy that primarily plays as a four or 3 on some stretches. I think this is a case of Balti not doing enough during his time off. Maybe he just treated his last playing year with DLSU as a way to stay fit and in game condition but not develop other facets of his offensive game?

At this rate, it makes me wish that Tab coaches in the D-league level so that Balti will get picked as one of his regulars amd continue developing.

 

[coach cj2]

Good to see at least the recent post are constructive.
For FIBA Kai is really promising, for NBA its really unlikely

If NBA scouts/GMs, experts and whatnot have made several mistakes and failure to assess draft lottery projection/trajectory currently and in the past

then what made you think that your assessment should be construed by us as already a fact and we should all forget about NBA Kai lol

Your assessment based on stats alone is prone to error my friend, so stop it already.

We should always look on "team fit" "playing time" "players mental fortitude" and whatnot

I'm pretty sure that a fish(Kai Sotto) being a good swimmer(rim protector/highIQ/decent mobility7ft/shoots3/skyhook etc) will find the

right ocean/pond(NBA team) that will truly make his talent valuable especially in today's NBA that everyone really are looking for

elite bigs just to be considered an NBA playoff team not to mention Wemby also making new waves/trend for bigs of sort. I mean

how many elite 7 footers are out there now? I'm sure Kai will have a good consideration especially if wasser is your agent.

Like I've said before if all the stars align.. then NBA Kai is going to happen lol.

I am now 99% sure that Kai will play in the NBA in this age range 21-25

If Kai turns 26 and still not in the NBA, then I will forget and stop following Kai just like what I did with Japeth Aguilar in the past haha

And if small ball continues to be the dominant system and trend around the world, then

I'm also 99% sure that Kai will never make it to the NBA and at best is only FIBA Kai lol

But for now your take is just too early, premature and irrelevant to say that NBA Kai is not going to happen lol

So I find you already very much toxic since you my friend kind of parang sirang plaka, repeating things in the past and stats that are hearsay or irrelevant for me haha

 

[Dotch2]

Jerom Lastimosa to play in BLeague Div 2 next?

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/japa...ision-2-adamson-uaap-season-85-a2244-20221127

 

[DAdmiral2]

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Opinion from all of us are just that , personal opinions, what you're totally missing is there is really historical precedence fact (not opinion ) to go buy to determine probability. It's not premature at all (we already have history to verify projection)

You're not really understanding the implication of not being "invited" when draft entered . ( history data truly verifies what it means) , you can ignore it , but it's fact

Simply stated ZERO players since 2016 who have not been invited to the combine or camp (elite G -league or global ) on their draft entry year have ever secured a Full year guaranteed contract (period) , this is not opinion but actual historical fact.

stop the overhype , accuracy please , what a none invite means is really Kai is not considered a serious highly rated NBA prospect ( not a top 100 in his eligible draft year ) this is literally a vote from all 30 NBA executives. Understand the implications of this , all NBA teams rosters are already full ( around 400 players) , then every year since 2016 a new set of 100 top prospects are added to pool of potential NBA sign -ups , so my 2022 that's 600 new prospects to choose from , if you understand this , you can see why it's literally almost zero chance someone not viewed as a 100 prospect in draft year ever is offered a full year guaranteed contract . Totally logical and understandable for those who are objective

 

[coach cj2]

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Opinion from all of us are just that , personal opinions, what you're totally missing is there is really historical precedence fact (not opinion ) to go buy to determine probability. It's not premature at all (we already have history to verify projection)

You're not really understanding the implication of not being "invited" when draft entered . ( history data truly verifies what it means)

Simply stated ZERO players since 2016 who have not been invited to the combine or camp (elite G -league or global ) on their draft entry year have ever secured a Full year guaranteed contract (period) , this is not opinion but actual historical fact.

stop the overhype , accuracy please , what a none invite means is really Kai is not considered a serious highly rated NBA prospect ( not a top 100 in his eligible draft year ) this is literally a vote from all 30 NBA executives

So I am now a hyper just because I did not agree with your expert opinion lol

I only said that I think I'm already 99% sure that Kai will make it to the NBA at age range of 21-25 if all the stars align

and I am also certain 99% that Kai will not make it to the NBA if small ball system continues to be the dominant system and trend around the world.

So, point to me which one is hyping there my friend? haha

 

[DAdmiral2]

So I am now a hyper just because I did not agree with your expert opinion lol

I only said that I think I'm already 99% sure that Kai will make it to the NBA at age range of 21-25 if all the stars align

and I am also certain 99% that Kai will not make it to the NBA if small ball system continues to be the dominant system and trend around the world.

So, point to me which one is hyping there my friend? haha

1st you didn't even read : It's NOT my opinion you are ignoring or disagreeing with ! but it's historical precedence that you're ignoring or not agreeing with ,

If you want to be accurate , what you're REALLY saying is Kai will be making history to be the 1st player in history since the introduction of "camp' invites ( over 40 to add to 70 combine invites) to ever be offered a full year contract .
but make no mistake about it , that is not a prediction based on facts but really more a hail mary prayer hoping for the best ( those are 2 different things) , and when people claim like you that their prediction is based on facts , then that really is over hype , cause your basis for prediction is not based on factual information, but on emotional patronage , a dream and fantasy ( not real)