Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[NOiNU2]

Standard is learning curve for those who made it via late FA signing or 4 year college graduate. That's the comparison..
Many litterarally double their freshman stats to junior 3rd year. That's what I'm referring to . There is NO fair in trying to make thebNBA cut throat business, GMs don't ratiionlise a bench player in a pro team should be given a chance.

BTW a suttle word was included in my forecast for Kai to make the NBA, that word is FULL year guaranteed contract. . I say it again no one who has not been invited to combine or g league camp ever is offered a Full guaranteed contract immediately on entry.
People don't like hearing these things , like they didn't like my statistical probability of history showing none top 100 mock drafts are likely to be drafted. The thing is they are really statistical true. Whether you like it or not, yes not statistical impossible (which is nine sense nothing is impossible statistically, like all can be President one day).

Because of Kai's notoriety (Pinoy) I do see it as statistical probable however low to be signed a 10 day NBA contract, then from there gain a two way contract, then eventually move to a guaranteed contract NBA , this is possible however low with Kai's current trajectory. (Jack White , Mitch Creek are some who got 2 way contracts or 10 day exhibit)
But singing like Landale though of a full year contract upon recruitment is historically unprecedented if Kai is to follow path given his low growth trajectory last 3 years.
Kai cannot rely on just FIBA play, he has show his value in the regular pro league ..(look at all the guaranteed full contract recruits , they're litterarally MVPs of their respective pro leagues)

Asus, as if Kai is playing college ball and ADL retained status quo. Try harder.

 

[C2Hamm2]

You reamily ha. Hahaha

If that's the case, then, his ast-TO ratio is 4.0 which means that for every 4 assists, he will only commit 1 TO. That's good.

thats very good for someone who is the main ball handler\playmaker of a team and he is new to the system at that.
i actually think JGDL is perfect for CCR. despite showing some new plays, most of what happened this window was our players where were freed up via pick and the driver has free hand to decide if he will finish or kickout. new setup, same DDO finish(most of the time). love the offball movement though.

going back to JGDL, he isnt as good as Castor or Romeo, but has same skillset. can drive inside, can shoot, and although he favours finishing, he can actually setup his teammates if he wants to. Bolick and Perez are overall way better than him at this point, but JGDL is quicker than Bolick and has more natural playmaking ability than Perez. not saying he should replace anyone, but during offseason, should have an invite to practice with Gilas.

 

[coach cj2]

I watched France versus Bosnia

Yes, because of Wemby haha I was trying to observe his game and judge it based on my personal assessment.

Well, all the description like jesus walking on water, nba2k create cheat player, alien and so on are on point haha

He can score in a variety of ways and defend like he can cover a lot of defensive coverage by his length, leaping ability and whatnot.

When comparing Wemby and Kai, I think we should watch their full game before giving an opinion at the very least.

Wemby is on different level if you want to compare him with Kai haha sorry but that's the truth

Let's just say, If you need to pick one player for your team between Kai and Wemby..I'll take Wemby everytime haha no biased

I remember these answers from Kai and Wemby on interviews:

Wemby: Pretty much he kind of expected he's going number one(draft) and he's been preparing for it since the day he was born haha (talk about self-esteem and confidence)
My goal is to become unguardable .

Kai: My goal is to play in the NBA and to become NBA all star someday. (hmmm not bad..the highest a Pinoy could dream of haha)

What's the difference between the two is, I thought with regards to Wemby that is how greatness speaks. They always seek to push themselves to the limit and exceed their
true potential. His goal is to be unguardable, that's infinite or continuously improving their game - never stopping always hungry for more and for the next level.

While for Kai..hmm.. It's kind of limited. Like for example once he achieve his dream of playing in the NBA and someday become an all-star, what now? haha
Na gets niyo ba? Mindset is the key haha.

So what Kai should do is copy how the great's think, their mindset, everything about them and more. If Kai would also think and practice to become unguardable, imagine
how will that translate to his game and improvement or if he doesn't want that path maybe become the stopper of the guy who wants to become unguardable haha - be a wemby stopper at least may goal haha joke lang.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Haddadi got an NBA contract due to a strong showing in the Olympics, Campazzo too during the 2019 FIBA WC.

I wonder what your agenda is in bringing down Kai? Did his team turn you down as a possible rep here in OZ and there in NZ?

Why does it have to be considered hate , when I'm just citing historical common precedence of how players make the NBA as undrafted free agents , there are characteristic profiles of what that looks like , they're basically stars of their respective top pro league.. (euro Nbl) , this should not come as any surprise , i don't know why you guys think it's purpose knock on Kai , just because of citing these common pathways of who made it as undrafted looks like. It's not just Kai it's true for any player , off course there are exceptions.. The profile of a tall young player who was heavily recruited coming out of high school, but in basketball terms over 3 or 4 years in his regular league play isn't a starter, much more a star , is certainly different from a none 4 or 5 star college recurit , who basically doubles his stats from 1st year to 3rd year and draws so much attention , that he transfers to top recruiting school in his senior year.. (this is like the Landalle or Wetzell or Watanabe profile , as compared to Tacko fall ( super high recruit as a freshman) , there is nothing personal , remove the names and personalities aside, and yes just on profile characteristics of growth you know who is more likely to end up in the NBA . ( late free agent sign up or what)

These are Tacko fall stats in college
Freshman 7.4 pts
2nd year 11 pts
3rd year 11.3 pts
4th year 11 pts

vs landale in college

1st (18 yrs old) - 2.1 pts
2nd 7.9
3rd 16.9
4th 21.1

while Rui went from 2.6 pts freshman to 20 pts as a junior.

look at the difference in rate of growth

now but people are asking but Kai did not go to college (div 1) that's actually part of the problem ,, part of making the NBA is developing throughout 18 to 22 yrs old. those who gamble and turn pro one and done are essentially going for a home run and if they fail , gone is the opporuntty , as perception like anything matters in this business especially the NBA

Capazzo in Real Madrid prior to being picked up by as NBA FA, was avg double figure pts and 7.1 league leader in Assist ( Mytical team, MVP playoffs)

Haddadi made the NBA in 2008 in a different era of Yao and others.. making the NBA as a tall center in 2023 , 15 years after is totally different dynamics

 

[coach cj2]

Why does it have to be considered hate , when I'm just citing historical common precedence of how players make the NBA as undrafted free agents , there are characteristic profiles of what that looks like , they're basically stars of their respective pro league.. and these are top pro leagues , this should not come as any surprise , i don't know why you guys think it's purpose knock on Kai , just because of citing these common pathways of who made it as undrafted looks like. It's not just Kai it's true for any player , off course there are exceptions.. The profile of a tall young player who was heavily recruited coming out of high school, but in basketball terms over 3 or 4 years in his regular league play isn't a starter, much more a star , is certainly different from a none 4 or 5 star college recurit , who basically doubles his stats from 1st year to 3rd year and draws so much attention , that he transfers to top recruiting school in his senior year.. (this is like the Landalle or Wetzell or Watababe profile , as compared to Tacko fall ( super high recruit as a freshman) , there is nothing personal , remove the names and personalities aside, and yes just on profile characteristics of growth you know who is more likely to end up in the NBA . ( late free agent sign up or what)

Do you really believe Kai has slim to zero chance of making it to the NBA? haha

You both have valid and good points. But I believe in the song that says:

"There can be miracles
When you believe
Though hope is frail, it's hard to kill
Who knows what miracles you can achieve?
When you believe, somehow you will
You will when you believe"

Maybe based or in line with your work time is running out for Kai or his NBA dream is already done

but not to us supporters haha. But, we will know for sure when is the right time to call it the end of Kai's NBA dream journey.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Do you really believe Kai has slim to zero chance of making it to the NBA? haha

You both have valid and good points. But I believe in the song that says:

"There can be miracles
When you believe
Though hope is frail, it's hard to kill
Who knows what miracles you can achieve?
When you believe, somehow you will
You will when you believe"

Maybe based or in line with your work time is running out for Kai or his NBA dream is already done

but not to us supporters haha. But, we will know for sure when is the right time to call it the end of Kai's NBA dream journey.

Its really hard to make the NBA. Especially for an undrafted player like Kai. Not impossible but slim to none is right.

 

[coach cj2]

Its really hard to make the NBA. Especially for an undrafted player like Kai. Not impossible but slim to none is right.

Slim to none chance is still good for me

We could all just hope that all the stars align to make things work haha

20 to 25 yrs old - high chance to play in the NBA
26 to 30 yrs old - medium to low chance to play in the NBA
31 and above - deads na lol

 

[carmelo72]

Well it's CJ's neck on the chopping board if the team fails to make the playoffs. Vets were brought in to boost their chances. He's had a lot of coaching booboos but and I may not agree with his rotation but I can understand why he's reluctant to give extended minutes to Kai.

Yeah tough to be a coach, If Im in his shoes i wont even listen to all the backlash Il just do things to ensure Il keep my job and win

 

[coach cj2]

Yeah tough to be a coach, If Im in his shoes i wont even listen to all the backlash Il just do things to ensure Il keep my job and win

Yeah but I think Kai can produce the same stats in his FIBA games if CJ

will also give Kai the same playing time, same role/plays etc.

The only problem with CJ is he has a delimma coz it will take away the minutes on DJ or Franks

Heck even his favorite player Harris haha.

Again I believe that the problem is not really on Kai with regards to adelaide, it's CJ..it's my namesake that's the problem lol

 

[DAdmiral2]

Nothing is statistically impossible, but we do have historical probability , and really someone who was not invited to the combine and G- league camp on his draft year does have low probability of ever being signed , the chances even go lower when in the succeeding year he avg less than 15 min and 7 pts for his regular league play.. You can do the research and math to find out what the success rate is for players with similar characteristics

Age is not the dominant factor : this you will find has more correlation to making the nba
league play major league
25 to 20 mins avg - high chance to play in the NBA
24 to 16 ,mins - medium to low chance to play in the NBA
15 mins or less - deads na lol

 

[amabeast2]

People here bashing Kai for not having a double digit rebound, but how about Victor's 4 rebounds in 24 minutes? Victor is really lucky that no one is calling him out for his blunders.

 

[coach cj2]

People here bashing Kai for not having a double digit rebound, but how about Victor's 4 rebounds in 24 minutes? Victor is really lucky that no one is calling him out for his blunders.

Yeah he's not a good rebounder

but I don't think that will be his main role for his team France and even when he plays in the NBA

ironic for his size he's not asked to rebound the ball that much lol

I think being the main guy on offense/defense, it will take away most of his energy already so rebounding roles are given to other role players haha

 

[DAdmiral2]

In context Victor not being a good rebounder, yes could impact his success in the NBA , but absolutely no one is suggesting it will mean his draft stock will go down and won't be selected #1. Absolutely not a discussion.

That is why to rationalize then why are we so critical of Kai then, ? It simple Kai needs everything possible especially addressing any gaps in his game to even get into the radar as an NBA prospect
It's totally a different context when talking about a player who went undrafted and then is avg like 10 mins a game . Of course thr nit picking of weaknesses is different cause the scouts will definitely care if Kai's not a good rebounder, but no one really cared in terms of draft # if Victor is not so good in rebounding . This doesn't need to be explained why.

 

[ja.he2]

You can get away with low rebounding output if you can put an impressive +/- and EFF.

Wemby has +17 (+/-) and 18 EFF against Bosnia. Against Lithuania, he had +25 (+/-) and 23 EFF.

On average, he has 20.5 EFF and +21 (+/-).

His high +/- basically means that he is not a defensive liability.

 

[coach cj2]

I watched some of our kababayan's youtube channel RE live audience recording their experience watching JOrdan and saudi versus GILAS

I'm surprised that the chant that I first shouted in my only first and last experience watching PBA game live in the smart araneta GINEBRA versus Global Port ata yun haha

I'm not too sure what teams were playing I could barely recall, but the reason that I watched the game live was because of Japeth Aguilar on 2011 or 2012 ata yun not sure

na din sa year haha. That time, Japeth Aguilar's team was losing or winning ata haha and I felt already sleepy and tired coz I'm not used to watching in so many crowds I'm kind of introvert kasi haha. Then the announcer said "last two minutes" with the other team leading by 10pts. I heard so many chants from live audience most were nonsense for me and I find it silly cheering for brand or company basketball teams haha

watching live was a bit boring for me since you don't know who to cheer for in PBA games, you know there is no really homecourt advantage haha and you might end up

fighting to the person sitting next to you haha. Mixed audience and supporters in a live basketball game is no fun for me. Unison is much much healthier mas lively mag cheer
if that is the case.

The losing team wants to slow down the game or time by fouling so many cheap shots haha. So, me being tired and wants to go home already out of nowhere just shouted

"UWIAN NA...UWIAN NA..UWIAN NA.." I was surprised that the people on the lower and upper box followed or repeated my chant haha..

and after that game from time to time I heard common folks chant's this way watching or talking about basketball, even vice ganda haha. Never in my mind that until now, and even people abroad

watching live basketball game will chant the same haha

Wala langs...nothing important naalala ko lang lol

 

[PeeZones2]

Analyze really is so full of trash and baseless claims.haha Here are Landales stats at age 19 and 20 against very inferior college competition while Kai is already playing pros and Senior NTs.haha Saan na yung better yung Jock Landale same age ANALYZE?Sunog na naman.haha
Kai Stats against pro and senior NTs 19 and 20.
NBL
2021-2022 15.26mins 4.48reb 7.52pts
2022-2023 9.98mins 4.29rebs 4.57pts
Against Senior NTS
2021 9.3pts 7rebs
2022 13.3pts 9.3rebs

Jock Landale (25 October 1995 age 27) against college players.haha
20yr old 7.9 points and 3.9 rebounds
19yr old 2.1 points and 0.9 rebounds

https://smcgaels.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/jock-landale/48

AS A SOPHOMORE 20yrs old(2015-16): One of six players, the only non-starter, to appear in all 35 games during the season ... averaged 14.5 minutes per game ... second on the team in field goal percentage at .613 ... among the league leaders in free throw percentage at .775 ... averaged 7.9 points and 3.9 rebounds per game ... scored in double figures 9 times ... scored career-high 24 points on 7-for-7 from the field and 10-of-12 from the free throw line against Pacific ... named WCC Player of the Week for his performance against the Tigers ... scored 9 points in the second half at Gonzaga on 4-of-5 shooting ... scored 16 points with 6 rebounds in 20 minutes at Pepperdine ... scored 14 points to go with 7 rebounds and 2 blocks in the win over BYU ... scored 15 points in 16 minutes (6-7 FG) against UC Davis ... scored 14 points on 6-for-8 shooting in 18 minutes against CSU Bakersfield ... went 10-of-15 from the field in three NIT games at the end of the season.

AS A FRESHMAN 19yrs old (2014-15): Appeared in 21 games as a true freshman ... averaged 2.1 points and 0.9 rebounds in 5.0 minutes per game ... led the team in field goal percentage at .613, but did not have enough attempts to qualify for league or national rankings ... registered a huge first half in home win over Portland, scoring a career-high nine points all before intermission ... scored eight points on 4 for 6 from the floor in 11 minutes at Gonzaga ... scored seven points and grabbed a rebound in just nine minutes against Northeastern ... scored first point of SMC career with a free throw against New Mexico State.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Landale is the type of late bloomer Kai dreams of becoming.

 

[PeeZones2]

Landale is the type of late bloomer Kai dreams of becoming.

Kai is way more advanced and a better performer against tougher competition than Landale at the same age. That is FACTS. No twisting of details by Analyze would change that.lol

 

[Sikatrix2]

Kai is way more advanced and a better performer against tougher competition than Landale at the same age. That is FACTS. No twisting of details by Analyze would change that.lol

WCC is good competition, St Marys was up against Gonzaga. Also by his fourth year Landale was the star player for his team, I heavily doubt Kai is in the same trajectory.

 

[earldeboy2]

Heoball : According to BasketLife Magazine stream KT Suwon is closing in on signing a Filipino Reinforcement player. The player was not named but the player is in college, can play forward and guard.

My guess? Dave Ildefonso.