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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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Rds said:
Really doesnt speak well of our brand of basketball when being a typical Filipino guard is a negative. This is what Chot wants to encourage with his larong buko style.
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Honestly speaking, Chot's style is just another fancy way of saying "Iso ball".

We had Jayson Castro and Andray Blatche to bail us out from 2014-2019. Now? We don't have that luxury.
 
robert0326 said:
That's why a big mistake for Chot not tapping Mikey Williams for SEAG... He should be the NP player than Tautuaa (He sucks) then tapped Erram to replace Montalbo... Mikey will save Chot's coaching stubbornness in SEAG but he believe that NP should always a big man... Now he suffers all the hate of Pinoy fans...
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suddenly realized that maybe sbp/chot didnt include mikey in the team due to his contract status
 
Marsh Mello said:
slightly Ot, this has to be the most odd selection in the rear end of a NBA draft. I don't know what they saw in this guy haha
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If he's in the NFL and get drafted last,then he earned the monicker "Mr.Irrelevant",alas the NBA doesn't have that.
 
See you all June 23

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DAdmiral said:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/

Kai is ranked 95th .
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Oh. Dumadami na rin.

Cbs Sports. Hmmm. Is it inclided in Top 10 mock list?

2 weeks before judgement day.

Kai is really close to philippine dream of having an nba player.

Hopefully, he makes it.

As I said, even if u only based it on mock drafts. Kai have a punchers chance to get drafted.

Though, I am not a fan of mock drafts. I believe Kai will be drafted. (My opinion only)

Sayang, nainjure Kai. Hopefully he recovers fast to increase his stock
 
jasper222 said:
I disagree. My analysis is likely correct; if the mocks are always accurate on predicting who will be drafted, then how is it that they couldn't predict the numerous people above Kai who backed out of the draft, like Drew Timme? Surely someone has made an analysis of that too, since there is historical precedence? Surely the players were assured that they would be picked because of the mocks? If these predictions were so accurate they they have to be believed above all else, that these historical analyses were all free of bias, then why do numerous prospects not trust it?[/Bs.
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You're not getting how data probability analysis works , they are not predicting which specify players like Timmie will be drafted or predicting their actions like if he will withdraw or not .
But have identified correlation features to determine historical probability. The point is not to determine certainty of predictions, this is impossible. There will always be outliners., but simply historical probability precedence .
It's similar to the the data that in 163 instances when a team is down 3 games to zero wins in a game 7 series , in the NBA , no team has come back. It's factual truth.

So here are the factual truths (not opinion or analysis is )
1. No player has been drafted since 2019 that didn't get invited to both the combine and elite camp. (Fact)and note the voters aren't bad as they are the teams themselves.

2. No player has been drafted that is not in the "consensus " top 80 for the top 10 reliable draft in last 5 years. * consensus means average rating

Does that mean it's impossible or can't be a 1st , of course not , no one is saying that.

Everyone is entitled to betting or predicting despite the historical data odds
 
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DAdmiral said:
You're not getting how data probability analysis works , they are not predicting which specify players like Timmie will be drafted or predicting their actions like if he will withdraw or not .
But have identified correlation features to determine historical probability. The point is not to determine certainty of predictions, this is impossible. There will always be outliners., but simply historical probability precedence .
It's similar to the the data that in 163 instances when a team is down 3 games to zero wins in a game 7 series , in the NBA , no team has come back. It's factual truth.

So here are the factual truths (not opinion or analysis is )
1. No player has been drafted since 2019 that didn't get invited to both the combine and elite camp. (Fact)and note the voters aren't bad as they are the teams themselves.

2. No player has been drafted that is not in the "consensus " top 70 for the top 10 reliable draft in last 5 years. * consensus means average rating

Does that mean it's impossible or can't be a 1st , of course not , no one is saying that.

Everyone is entitled to betting or predicting despite the historical data odds
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The drafts are worthless if they cannot predict anything, we both know that. So if it is impossible to determine certainty of predictions, then why are people making up draft lists? Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question. Mock drafts are for the consumption of the media to build up hype, and are also made by fans for the fans. At least, that's how the first mock drafts were. Now it's by math boys who never touched a ball.

These are the factual truths:

1. No NBA team has based their entire draft on mock drafts.

2. A lot of NBA prospects do not trust the drafts which is why they still back out even though the drafts say they have a big chance of getting into the NBA.

Your "facts" remind me of those random ESPN stat numbers like "Player A has a statline of 7/7/7/7 not seen since Wilt Chamberlain in the 1963 season", random factoids that ultimately mean nothing. Even Givony made a huge mistake and mock drafted an overage player.

DAdmiral said:
speaking of workouts, here is an example of center prospect , compare the speed, mobility , range and consistency

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=433606044765727
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He has NBA speed and mobility. That's it.

I looked up his weight and it says 209 lbs. He will get folded in the NBA. He has a shaky jumpshot which won't see use. I also looked up a few of his highlights and he gets pushed by NCAA level big men, and doesn't have any other post moves besides the post hook (which is understandable since he's lighter than his counterparts).

Reminds me of Japeth Aguilar lol. He also looked good during workouts. And that was 1 year of PBA experience Japeth.

 
Your argument that teams don't use mocks to base decisions isn't the point, ( of course they do not care or use mocks , that's silly) also data analytics does not look into the how or quality of assessments of those making invites for combines etc, it's independent of that. Like it does not factor if a team down 3 zero in a best of 7 series has lost each game by just 1 point . ( that's not the point at all)

those facts 1 and 2 are mentioned are independent of the how or whatever other factors. and BTW it's not saying it's impossible, it's just saying that if one beats the odds he's an outliner. . nothing else

I'm not actually arguing with anyone who wants to make a bold prediction beating the odds. you're totally entitled to that.
now if you're arguing the odds are incorrect , that's not possible because they are events that already happened in history as fact.

There is nothing obscure or meaningless in the fact that no one who has been drafted was not invited to both the combine or elite camp , it's a very meaningful indicator and statistical historical fact.
 
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This is the updated mock of Sports Illustrated were previous version had Kai at 49th. He's now out of top 58th

https://www.si.com/nba/2022/06/06/n...smith-chet-holmgren-paolo-banchero-jaden-ivey


On mocks (top 10 most reliable like above) there are around 80 different names that have appeared in at least one mock top 58 , this month.
The accuracy of 45 players who consistently make it on all mocks is high (note just drafted not accuracy of how high , e.g lottery etc).
The 46 to 58th picks (last 12 ) are very volatile with about 30 different names being mentioned, some more frequent than others like Harper Jr. , Kai is in the bottom half of the 50th to 80th most commonly mentioned players ..
I wouldn't say impossible, but it gives an indication of his chances .Kai is a strong free agent prospect though.
 
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barok espinoza said:
and so was blatche. the farther away from the top 10, the cheaper hehe
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2nd rounder either gets stashed or a non guaranteed contract. cheaper tlaga
which makes me raise my question before that nooone has answered with confidence yet. if Kai gets drafted in 2nd round, will the NBA team need to pay 36ers for release? will an NBA team, knowing theyll probably give Kai a non guaranteed contract, actual pay or wait after contract is up then reevaluate his progress?

if there is a yes there, then no need for summer league, FIBA Asia nlng.
 
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