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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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I expect Belangel to warm up to the KBL like fish to water. The style of play that Korea does is very suited towards someone like Belangel. He plays like how a star guard in KBL would play. If he gets famous there, expect appearances in their variety show programs.
 
ja.he said:
Taiwan leagues T1 and P+ is in a tug-of-war on taking the services of Ricci Rivero. If he plays for T1, Ricci will be classified as an Asian import. If he plays for P+, he will be classified as a world import.
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i don’t follow 2 taiwan leagues but which is one better?
 
jasper222 said:
I expect Belangel to warm up to the KBL like fish to water. The style of play that Korea does is very suited towards someone like Belangel. He plays like how a star guard in KBL would play. If he gets famous there, expect appearances in their variety show programs.
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with K-pop girls taking notice of him. such a lucky b*st*rd. Haha
 
jasper222 said:
Unless those writers were former players, then they can't educate people on how these things work, just inform. It's why a lot of draft workout writeups are copied from the NBL writeups concerning Kai, because they weren't privy to the workouts themselves.



Sorry but it's only who's saying that for some time now. Also that's not remotely true. Maybe for the first 5-6 picks the mock drafts get it right almost all the time. But for any pick onwards? I mentioned this before, that I've seen somewhere that mock drafts only get the Top 6-20 picks 35% of the time.

Like the Suns picking Cam Johnson, did the mocks predict him going at 10? No lol. That's why Coby White had that iconic wow interview. Because NBA teams do not follow mock drafts.



I said the NBL stuff because a lot of takes (including yours and mine) in the past were about Kai either spending 1 more year with Adelaide or being drafted and stashed. But looking at the current crop of prospects, I'm very convinced that Kai will be drafted. There's just no way he won't be lol, talent is talent and nonsense like the Harold Yu take by a reputable person just means they have their own biases too.
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Your analysis Is incorrect. No one is saying mocks are accurate in predicting order but are accurate on who is to be drafted..
The probability is actually very sound cause they're using a wide range of a hundred prospects with required features (e g.must be invited to combine ) to predict who make list of 58

No one is saying writers are good in education. This point is about probability, when 99 % are saying same thing , then it sj8pdmbe used as an indicator even if some of the reasons why they predict is flawed
 
Silent Killer said:
i don’t follow 2 taiwan leagues but which is one better?
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I followed T1 more than P+. T1 plays faster while P+ likes halfcourt plays. T1 is more physical than P+. P+ is more popular because, aside from the fact it was established earlier than T1, it is the home of most players from their own "golden generation" (Lin Chih-chieh, Quincy Davis, Tseng Wen-ting, Lu Cheng-ju, Tsai Wei-tseng, Yang Chin-ming and Doug Creighton). T1, on the other hand, is the home for more players from the current generation of Taipei NT (Abasi, Artino, Morrison, Hu Long-mao, Chiang Yu-an among others).

T1 allows to field 3 world imports plus 2 Asian imports. Naturalized players are considered locals here. P+ only allows 3 foreign players.

All in all, I find T1 to be a better league than P+ due to the former's pace and the fact it is more of an open league. It's just that P+ is more popular. If Ricci signs with T1, it will definitely boost the popularity of the league. If Ricci signs with P+, the league will solidify its status as Taiwan's premier league.
 
DAdmiral said:
Your analysis Is incorrect. No one is saying mocks are accurate in predicting order but are accurate on who is to be drafted..
The probability is actually very sound cause they're using a wide range of a hundred prospects with required features (e g.must be invited to combine ) to predict who make list of 58

No one is saying writers are good in education. This point is about probability, when 99 % are saying same thing , then it sj8pdmbe used as an indicator even if some of the reasons why they predict is flawed
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I disagree. My analysis is likely correct; if the mocks are always accurate on predicting who will be drafted, then how is it that they couldn't predict the numerous people above Kai who backed out of the draft, like Drew Timme? Surely someone has made an analysis of that too, since there is historical precedence? Surely the players were assured that they would be picked because of the mocks? If these predictions were so accurate they they have to be believed above all else, that these historical analyses were all free of bias, then why do numerous prospects not trust it?

You have to consider many many factors before saying that 99% of writers are saying the same thing. For instance, we can trust them if the writers are writing about somebody famous. But if it's someone who's not famous like Kai Sotto, then we can't trust writers who only copy mock draft writeups.
 
Your take is very accurate Jasper. I am also an avid Pacman supporter since his Blow by Blow days. I was defending prior to Pac really making it big. Kai will take that pacquiao route so we only stand our ground support him.

Only writers with solid bball credentials and with ample time to check Kai will be the ones who would really have a great take on Kai. On the other hand, real bball scouts would allocate great amount of their time checking their targets. It is too stupid that they would rely on mock drafts as basis for their drafting. Even projected lottery picks are requested for private workouts.

Currently it seems that Givony's bias and promotion isnt really working. Chet is falling and might fall further as we go the last stretch prior to the draft.

Kai's game will do him justice and with our strong support he will be there. Magkaedad lang siguro tayu Jasper. Im in my late 30s.haha I rarely post because I dont have the appetite to argue these days.haha the day of reckoning is near and im contented to just wait for it.haha
 
DAdmiral said:
BTW the.Lakers have worked out a lot of players over 20 but have no draft picks

Of course prediction using data is never 100 % accurate, there is no such thing as 100 % in prediction.

This refers to writers as well, 100 % are not all bad or wrong ..
But to ignore the consensus common thought is really not being openly objective.

All we are saying is there are indicators that are historically high probability and there are those that are not or have little correlation whatsoever

Why would Kai spend time pursue the NBL in months of June and July? This is silly, there.is no NBL activity for the 2 months.
Kai focus is the NBA for 2 months , besides being drafted is not the only way of entering the NBA..
Most of the workouts are actually for free agent sign ups anyway

The example of Jokic sleeping, actually removed causation analysis. Why? The reason why Singh was predicted to be drafted was it was very
Viewed that being promised to be drafted was the cause of him attending the draft
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The Lakers didn’t have their own second-round pick in the 2014 NBA Draft but the Lakers acquired the 46th pick in the 2014 NBA draft from the Washington Wizards, selecting Jordan Clarkson for $1.8 million in cash.
 
PeeZones said:
Your take is very accurate Jasper. I am also an avid Pacman supporter since his Blow by Blow days. I was defending prior to Pac really making it big. Kai will take that pacquiao route so we only stand our ground support him.

Only writers with solid bball credentials and with ample time to check Kai will be the ones who would really have a great take on Kai. On the other hand, real bball scouts would allocate great amount of their time checking their targets. It is too stupid that they would rely on mock drafts as basis for their drafting. Even projected lottery picks are requested for private workouts.

Currently it seems that Givony's bias and promotion isnt really working. Chet is falling and might fall further as we go the last stretch prior to the draft.

Kai's game will do him justice and with our strong support he will be there. Magkaedad lang siguro tayu Jasper. Im in my late 30s.haha I rarely post because I dont have the appetite to argue these days.haha the day of reckoning is near and im contented to just wait for it.haha
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No, you're older than I am, I just turned 30.

Talking boxing for a bit, you also probably already know that Pacquiao was rejected gym after gym in LA when they got to the US for the first time, until they happened upon Wild Card gym and Roach saw the potential. Pacquiao is one of the boxing GOATs, so how come all the other gyms didn't see the potential he had, diba?

Or how about the P4P list, which is like an ongoing mock draft list? It doesn't mean that you're #1 on the P4P list that you're the best boxer across all of boxing weightclasses. Mexican superstar Canelo just got jabbed to death by Bivol for example, and Canelo has superb jab defense. Ring Magazine says that the P4P list is determined by a council of experts, have these experts boxed in their lives even amateur? Why is it that Errol Spence is above Terrence Crawford? Things like that is why lists of any sort must be taken with a grain of salt.

I truly believe Kai has talent fit for the NBA. It will just take a lot of effort to do that, since even now, Asian athletes (especially those homegrown) aren't very accepted, like Pacquiao was in the 2000s.
 
Mock drafts have value, but ill take extensive scouting and team needs as more concrete over mock drafts. Its common knowledge that scouts have looked at the NBL with keen interest over the years and it ia tough to doubt kai is among the top 3 or 4 prospects from that league.

The workouts is not a guarantee, but im sure kai will surprise a lot of teams of his skill level in that legit 7'2 frame. He is not a project, he can play right away and contribute as in his ADL experience.

But my optimism of him getting drafted is the faith of his agent and handlers that kai is an NBA level talent. I dont think this is BS because we've seen flashes of kai's potential. The next 5 to 7 years will the game transition to a big mans game. Freak jokic embiid chet and wembafrenchie will once again rule the NBA. There is a place for our boy
 
drafted or not, i can see an nba contract for kai this season if he will not withdraw.
 
if he further develops his game while in kbl, he can be a good 2nd or 3rd pg for 2023 wc.
 
jasper222 said:
I expect Belangel to warm up to the KBL like fish to water. The style of play that Korea does is very suited towards someone like Belangel. He plays like how a star guard in KBL would play. If he gets famous there, expect appearances in their variety show programs.
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I am not that sold on Belangel. Yes he was even better this season but how will he play without a domina,nt big? Last 3 pt aside he did not do that well against the Korean team. But maybe those were the better Korean guards defending him and some of the KBL guards might be weaker. And also he knows how to play with an "import". So it might be his not so flashy style might fit the KBL.
 
ja.he said:
I followed T1 more than P+. T1 plays faster while P+ likes halfcourt plays. T1 is more physical than P+. P+ is more popular because, aside from the fact it was established earlier than T1, it is the home of most players from their own "golden generation" (Lin Chih-chieh, Quincy Davis, Tseng Wen-ting, Lu Cheng-ju, Tsai Wei-tseng, Yang Chin-ming and Doug Creighton). T1, on the other hand, is the home for more players from the current generation of Taipei NT (Abasi, Artino, Morrison, Hu Long-mao, Chiang Yu-an among others).

T1 allows to field 3 world imports plus 2 Asian imports. Naturalized players are considered locals here. P+ only allows 3 foreign players.

All in all, I find T1 to be a better league than P+ due to the former's pace and the fact it is more of an open league. It's just that P+ is more popular. If Ricci signs with T1, it will definitely boost the popularity of the league. If Ricci signs with P+, the league will solidify its status as Taiwan's premier league.
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how many imports allowed in the floor? same with b-league?
 
Silent Killer said:
how many imports allowed in the floor? same with b-league?
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in P+, only two world imports are allowed to play at the same time.

in T1, a team can play with two world imports, an Asian import and a naturalized player at the same time.
 
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