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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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The PBA can continue to run like for 10 months and 3 conferences .
Just let the best players leave for 2 conferences to play overseas and for Gilas . The 2nd tier players let them play all they want ..like a minor MPBL type league. If corporations want to spend on 2nd tier minor league players so be it .

To me a nation like the Philippines with it's level of basketball, should only have a maximum of 50 well paid professionals (like $10 k a month), the rest should be semi professional. The talent level is to diluted and too many undeserving players are paid.like P 200k a month. Those guys should look for other more sustainable careers. Basketball isn't meant to be a provider of wages for a big population.
 
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DAdmiral said:
The PBA can continue to run like for 10 months and 3 conferences .
Just let the best players leave for 2 conferences to play overseas and for Gilas . The 2nd tier players let them play all they want ..like a minor MPBL type league. If corporations want to spend on 2nd tier minor league players so be it .

To me a nation like the Philippines with it's level of basketball, should only have a maximum of 50 well paid professionals (like $10 k a month), the rest should be semi professional. The talent level is to diluted and too many undeserving players are paid.like P 200k a month. Those guys should look for other more sustainable careers. Basketball isn't meant to be a provider of wages for a big population.
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the talent level is diluted because they are not letting foreigners to come in. those 2-3 slots supposedly reserved to foreigners should have kicked those not so good players out of basketball.

as long as the PBA and other PH leagues glorify the all-local tournament (all-filipino cup), the talent pool will continue to be oversaturated.
 
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DAdmiral said:
So with 17 days before Draft day Kai is not in any top 58 list for the 10 most reliable mocks. If he is drafted it will really be surprising considering the non inclusion in consensus mocks and un invites for elite camp and combine. It may actually be a 1st in history.
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I think you have to do more analysis than just looking at historical trends. Yes, historical trend is an indicator but not the only indicator. You cant be one dimensional. You have to ask how important are these work-outs with these NBA teams. Maybe different teams have different value for work-outs. You have to ask how many has worked out for Orlando, Knicks, cavaliers, and all the others that Kai got invited. Then ask how is kai compared to those he worked out with. Cmon, let's try to have some more sophistication in the analysy than just relying on historical trend on Combine and Mock drafts.
 
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That's exactly what data analysis does , it looks for features that accurately predict outcomes using historical precedence.
And the findings are overwhelming, workout invites are not one of the features or indicators that correlate historically with who is drafted.
What features or indicators then are accurate ?.
The top 10 mocks . Obviously the more or less times mentioned influences outcome predictably.
Another solid indicator is elite camp and combine invites

Data analytics precisely is used to remove bias , because everyone has opinions and favors one thing or another, what data science does is it litterarally looks correlation causation to predicted outcome .

Do not ignore observations reported by most mainstream writers , who cite Kai as a solid G league prospect and not a solid draft prospect. (Too many of them can't all.be bias besides what possible agenda could they have ), some of them.like Spurs writer is even Filipino and really wants Spurs to recruit Kai .

On workouts note historically some players drafted by a team were not even invited for a workout, to avoid showing their draft intentions.
Additionally on average each team workout over 20 played, and almost 90 % of them don't get drafted at all by any team. Why ? Just do the math 20 x 30 teams is 600 prospects and there only 60 draft picks.. secondly the top prospects normally avoid based on mutual agreement not to workout with teams . To really hold their cards close to their chest. I'd say workout are best for fringe players and players wanting to sign with a team undrafted.

One indicator that you might want to look at , is if Kai like Singh attends the draft day in Barclay center..
As reported this was the sign that Singh was.promised to be drafted in 2nd round.. this is actually good insight analysis and isn't bias
 
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ja.he said:
possible - as a DP.
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Yeah hopefully ja.he. DP would be great.
I hope more players to follow. TBh, Gilas have more options of getting the best players to be selected in the pool. But sadly, SBP couldn’t figure it out coz of politics.
 
ja.he said:
possible - as a DP.
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A NBL team was interested in him last year. , only thing is need to check rules with SRP for dual citizenship holders, note Norwood a long time ago was classified as open import, not Asian
 
DAdmiral said:
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That's exactly what data analysis does , it looks for features that accurately predict outcomes using historical precedence.
And the findings are overwhelming, workout invites are not one of the features or indicators that correlate historically with who is drafted.
What features or indicators then are accurate ?.
The top 10 mocks . Obviously the more or less times mentioned influences outcome predictably.
Another solid indicator is elite camp and combine invites

Data analytics precisely is used to remove bias , because everyone has opinions and favors one thing or another, what data science does is it litterarally looks correlation causation to predicted outcome .
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You are right that data analysis uses past data to predict outcomes, but it does not remove bias whatsoever. For example, Vegas uses data analysis to predict outcomes of any sport's individual games, but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of refs (whether it's the NBA or another sport's entirely) manipulate the games to maintain the spread. Data analysis can also be used to influence bias, like pointing out that because Kai isn't in almost all mock drafts then that means he's should spend time working for another year in the NBL.

DAdmiral said:
Do not ignore observations reported by most mainstream writers , who cite Kai as a solid G league prospect and not a solid draft prospect. (Too many of them can't all.be bias besides what possible agenda could they have ), some of them.like Spurs writer is even Filipino and really wants Spurs to recruit Kai .
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No, you can. Most writers don't know shit about basketball and even less so about international prospects UNLESS they've interviewed them, like Lakers Center did with Kai. The writeups for the private workouts are also all just copied from the latest mock draft takes from Kai's time in the NBL, so they're not reliable at all. Mainstream writers (for the NBA) can inform, but they can't educate. That's a very big difference.

DAdmiral said:
On workouts note historically some players drafted by a team were not even invited for a workout, to avoid showing their draft intentions.
Additionally on average each team workout over 20 played, and almost 90 % of them don't get drafted at all by any team. Why ? Just do the math 20 x 30 teams is 600 prospects and there only 60 draft picks.. secondly the top prospects normally avoid based on mutual agreement not to workout with teams . To really hold their cards close to their chest. I'd say workout are best for fringe players and players wanting to sign with a team undrafted.
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The conclusion from this is that historical precedence can never discern a team's intentions 100%. One can only speculate, and that speculations are not fact.

DAdmiral said:
One indicator that you might want to look at , is if Kai like Singh attends the draft day in Barclay center..
As reported this was the sign that Singh was.promised to be drafted in 2nd round.. this is actually good insight analysis and isn't bias
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Jokic was sleeping in his home in Serbia when he got drafted.
 
k3ttch said:
Slaughter doesn’t have an active PBA contract right now so he should be free and clear to leave.
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would still need a letter of clearance from the pba despite not having a active contract, see the jeremy lin case in 2020 (his contract with the beijing ducks expired but the CBA and the franchise didnt grant him clearance

link: https://uproxx.com/dimemag/jeremy-lin-wont-join-warriors-fiba-letter-of-clearance-explained/
link: https://bleacherreport.com/articles...nt-get-cba-clearance-in-time-to-sign-contract

s: A letter of clearance must be obtained from the national member federation where a player was last licensed before he can be licensed by another member federation.
link: https://www.usab.com/basketball/med...suant to the 2010 FIBA,also by email) to FIBA.
 
BTW the.Lakers have worked out a lot of players over 20 but have no draft picks

Of course prediction using data is never 100 % accurate, there is no such thing as 100 % in prediction.

This refers to writers as well, 100 % are not all bad or wrong ..
But to ignore the consensus common thought is really not being openly objective.

All we are saying is there are indicators that are historically high probability and there are those that are not or have little correlation whatsoever

Why would Kai spend time pursue the NBL in months of June and July? This is silly, there.is no NBL activity for the 2 months.
Kai focus is the NBA for 2 months , besides being drafted is not the only way of entering the NBA..
Most of the workouts are actually for free agent sign ups anyway

The example of Jokic sleeping, actually removed causation analysis. Why? The reason why Singh was predicted to be drafted was it was very
Viewed that being promised to be drafted was the cause of him attending the draft
 
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ja.he said:
the talent level is diluted because they are not letting foreigners to come in. those 2-3 slots supposedly reserved to foreigners should have kicked those not so good players out of basketball.

as long as the PBA and other PH leagues glorify the all-local tournament (all-filipino cup), the talent pool will continue to be oversaturated.
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Agree to this dami naring latak sa pba but some casuals fans suggest add more teams kasi daw marami pang magagaling na nasasapawan ng mga filfor etc. haha kaya pag dating sa international tourney kamote mga so called pros natin
To me watching pba now is an eyesore talent pool is meh tapos coaching set plays,system so 80's
I like the 9o's pba tho kahit interbarangay yung feels haha
 
I wonder if SMC will give Slaughter clearance to play in Japan or Taiwan when offer sheet comes. I can feel that they will try to sabotage him. Poor Greg if that happens
 
Sumatotal PBA is really our divusion 2 league haha
we don't have a talent pool of players to be called division 1 pro league unless we bring or copy what the bleagues of japan doing hiring atleast two imports per team
But then again we are not that rich only few teams can afford, kaya wala talaga pagasa umasa pa maging okey ang PBA unless some miracle happens some great basketball minds put up a new professional league that eventually kill the shit out of PBA sama narin natin SBP haha
 
Marsh Mello said:
I wonder if SMC will give Slaughter clearance to play in Japan or Taiwan when offer sheet comes. I can feel that they will try to sabotage him. Poor Greg if that happens
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yun nga eh, Long Hair will pull all strings to keep greggy boy unemployed. Never cross alfrancis..:(
 
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On that if Cavs have the 56 th pick and still have a need to fil,
They can use the 56th pick for that need (e.g back up for Sexston).
Then guess the 57th and 58th pick won't be used on Kai (as he's not predicted to be drafted).
And sign him as a free agent.. that would be my approach..
 
DAdmiral said:
Of course prediction using data is never 100 % accurate, there is no such thing as 100 % in prediction.

This refers to writers as well, 100 % are not all bad or wrong ..
But to ignore the consensus common thought is really not being openly objective.
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Unless those writers were former players, then they can't educate people on how these things work, just inform. It's why a lot of draft workout writeups are copied from the NBL writeups concerning Kai, because they weren't privy to the workouts themselves.

DAdmiral said:
All we are saying is there are indicators that are historically high probability and there are those that are not or have little correlation whatsoever
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Sorry but it's only who's saying that for some time now. Also that's not remotely true. Maybe for the first 5-6 picks the mock drafts get it right almost all the time. But for any pick onwards? I mentioned this before, that I've seen somewhere that mock drafts only get the Top 6-20 picks 35% of the time.

Like the Suns picking Cam Johnson, did the mocks predict him going at 10? No lol. That's why Coby White had that iconic wow interview. Because NBA teams do not follow mock drafts.

DAdmiral said:
Why would Kai spend time pursue the NBL in months of June and July? This is silly, there.is no NBL activity for the 2 months.
Kai focus is the NBA for 2 months , besides being drafted is not the only way of entering the NBA..
Most of the workouts are actually for free agent sign ups anyway
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I said the NBL stuff because a lot of takes (including yours and mine) in the past were about Kai either spending 1 more year with Adelaide or being drafted and stashed. But looking at the current crop of prospects, I'm very convinced that Kai will be drafted. There's just no way he won't be lol, talent is talent and nonsense like the Harold Yu take by a reputable person just means they have their own biases too.
 
Cocoy Martin said:
Veering away from a topic that has been discussed for so long here - is he going to get drafted or not? - I like that the Cavs worked out Kai because the currently play 3 bigs at a time and given Kai's mobility the Cavs can actually use him alongside Mobley, Markkanen, Allen and assuming they still keep him Kevin Love. The Cavs also have 3 picks this year - 14, 39 and 56. It's likely the Cavs will look for a back up point guard as insurance just in case Colin Sexton opts for free agency as well as another shooting guard to compliment LaVert and Okoro. That leaves a slot wide open for a big which is good for Kai.
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He's gonna get drafted 100%. Kai is likely being worked out because they don't have a sample size of how Kai actually is since he wasn't in Ignite or the NCAA, and that so little teams sent out scouts to Adelaide (and even then were probably looking at Mojave King or other prospects).

The Cavs have something going on and I like their style of play too.
 
Taiwan leagues T1 and P+ is in a tug-of-war on taking the services of Ricci Rivero. If he plays for T1, Ricci will be classified as an Asian import. If he plays for P+, he will be classified as a world import.
 
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