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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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The tremendous number of variables that are there and the limited number of minutes the starters spend on the bench all make this a very hard thing to use to determine who the "best players" are.

To be fair, they weren't really intended to be a measure of "best players" and the stat's originators, Aaron Barzilai and Steve Ilardi, explicitly say that explaining:

It is important to note that the adjusted +/- rating is not a “holy grail” statistic that perfectly captures each player’s overall value...the estimates suffer from the issue of skewed sampling—the fact that most players usually find themselves on the court in the company of certain teammates and not others. As a result, it can be difficult to accurately tease out the individual effects of two players who almost always appear on the court together.

Rosenbaum and others have outlined different ways of addressing these issues, most notably using multiple years’ worth of data and augmenting regression results with additional analyses based on box score statistics.

The problem with using multiple seasons though becomes that that teammates change, and some players improve while others don't.

The bottom line is that while these stats can do a great job of telling us what units play well together, they don't tell us what makes a good player.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ss-stats-and-arguments-in-basketball%23slide5
 
Plus I just dont get this back and forth, especially with Kaiju and Dave, that they have to reiterate their "odds" and "99% chance of Kai not getting drafted." They rehash that same stuff over and over, as if they get offended when someone mentions the mere possibility of Kai being drafted.

Do you just really hate people who want to believe?
 
While I agree with his effort and defensive ability (or lack thereof), using plus minus is not just very indicative as the 36ers are just a net negative overall as a team.
 
This was Givony’s last scouting report on Kai during the BWB

Kai Sotto | 7-2 C | Philippines | The Skill Factory (Georgia)

Likely the most-hyped prospect to ever come out of the Philippines, Sotto doesn't turn 18 until May but has been on the radar since the FIBA World Cup at the U17 and U19 levels in each of the past two summers. Sotto has generated some buzz in the U.S. after joining a prep school in Atlanta last year.

His performance at the BWB camp was somewhat inconsistent, as he looked like one of the most talented prospects in attendance in the morning drills each day but struggled to make his presence felt in the games. Sotto has gotten into better shape since arriving to the U.S. and possesses a versatile skill set for a player his size: scoring in the post with either hand, handling the ball impressively, good court vision and range on a jump shot that extends beyond the 3-point line.

Sotto didn't look ready for the level of physicality and intensity he encountered in the camp scrimmages, as he was scored on at will by stronger players, looked lethargic getting back on defense and settled for too many low-percentage shots. Sotto did show nice timing rotating for blocks thanks in part to his massive 9-foot-3 standing reach. -- Givony
 
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Looks like you guys are highly polarised. One side hopes Kai Sotto gets drafted while one side says he’s highly unlikely to be drafted. To be fair, Kai does not have very good mobility and motor skills as a player but the kid has skills. He’s genes plus his height may have contributed to his lack of athleticism. If he develops his strength and beef up a bit, he can be a very good ball player and can make an impact to his team. He’s numbers in the NBL while not that super impressive, did make an impact to the 36ers.
 
kobe paras is a one dimensional player. i was was hoping he'd get rid of his superstar 1st option mentality and turn into a decent 3&D player in the b-league but he didn't. for all his athleticism he still couldn't defend well on the wings, doesn't have or improved his laterals. he can still have a very productive career as a big man in the pba tho but still a huge waste of potential
 
Hoping Lopez focuses on skull development as a wing rather than relying on his size and athleticism.. we can't have a repeat..

lopez at least is already a better defender than kobe. right now he looks like a more athletic & better shooting version of a younger matt ganuelas rosser. i'm hope he doesn't end up in the uaap/ncaa..does he have any shot in the nbl or b-league?
 
Lol for anybody who's still a Kobe Paras believer here's the cold hard truth: our boy didn't progress technique-wise from his high school days.


He's the same player he was in high school, just bigger and older.

Mainly because his time in Cathedral High and Middlebrooks was spent "building his brand" instead of actually improving his skills and BBIQ. He got to put up good numbers in HS from sheer athleticism alone.
 
May I ask what Mock draft site added Kai in its list aside from SI?

Troll probably: The writer was not credible anyway. I'll just go back to my useless plus-minus argument
 
Mainly because his time in Cathedral High and Middlebrooks was spent "building his brand" instead of actually improving his skills and BBIQ. He got to put up good numbers in HS from sheer athleticism alone.

like his ex lsgh/up teammate -- ricci rivero
 
May I ask what Mock draft site added Kai in its list aside from SI?

Troll probably: The writer was not credible anyway. I'll just go back to my useless plus-minus argument

Among the semi-important ones, ESPN Australia projected Kai to go 2nd round.
 
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my apologies.. it should be quoted and not edited.. Before you accuse me of having 2 accounts again, i’m from adelaide and Kaiju is from NSW based on the picture he send before when he watched hawks/36ers game months ago..
 
To be accurate the skill set demonstrated by Kai in the NBL over 300 minutes is predominately of a traditional rim protector dunker spot similar to Rudy Gobert (most of points were off assist ) . He did not showcase in live action in a men's pro league his perimeter oriented skill set like a Jokic archetype..
I'm just citing the disconnect , while his drills showcase his 3 pt shooting and in high school TSF his vision and some handles at the men's pro level gsme his handles were shaky and passing was off (evidence by Turnovers , his assist to TO was negative, additionally his attemps drive to hoop to TO ratio was not good. Meaning when he tried to create the ratio of TO was high and failed to finish one on one . His 3 point shooting was also inconsistent and lacked versatility to get off.

His impact inside under the hoop on both ends was undeniable though. So the question is what are you drafting Kai for ?
If it's the inside game , 1st is this what teams are looking for in the modern game (note only 7 pure centers are drafted each year ) and 2nd question is Kai one of three (3) better inside operators available?
 
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