Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[jasper2222]

I've actually asked a NBL data analytics person to analyze Kai's defense, and to be fair Kai assessemnt is actually adequate.. and not as bad as maybe some have suggested. I think for NBL center standards he is mid level, but not a plus defender . So from next NBL season perspective Kai is sufficient defensively.

At least the NBL data analytics person proves my point. Thanks.

Once Kai develops that weight and heft we'll slowly see him slide towards the plus defender side of things.

 

[Rds2]

Net defense rating is nothing more than a team stat. You can also play "good defense" in terms of rating if you regularly outscore your opponent by much. The reason the Nuggets suffer defensively is not because Jokic is on it, he has great stats defensively (only being behind Gobert and Draymond Green in some stats), but because their bench is atrocious at defense. Ever since they traded Jerami Grant they lost their versatility on defense as a team. Look up Nugs defensive rating when he's on the court vs off it this year.

Also don't tell me to watch the plays, I do. Jokic defends the PNR very well like Kai does. My future 2-time MVP has like what, 3-4 game saving blocks this season? The problem is that a lot of people on IBN use a TEAM STAT to pursue a narrative. Stats and blocks are INDIVIDUAL stats. While I agree that they don't tell the whole story, the fact that you still think Jokic is a bad defender despite racking up individual numbers like that is telling. Marc Gasol doesn't have gaudy stats in the Grit n Grind Grizz? That's because his team was a great defensive team and regularly slowed down the pace. You have to take stats into context, that means stats AND the eye test, but people here love using offensive and defensive rating when comparing players, like net ratings are used for TEAMS. Please, when comparing players let's stop using net ratings, because when that happens the scope of the comparison stops being about players and becomes about teams.

Tell me the truth, are those people just scared to be grouped with people positively hyped on Kai so they say stuff they don't mean? Because I don't know the reason and won't pretend to psychoanalyze people from my computer. It irks me to see that there's still this pervasive notion that Kai cannot defend the PNR, when he's done numerous times. Aside from strength there's practically nothing one can complain about him defense-wise, he eve doesn't lose his man that often now compared to before.

I dont talk much about Kai because I havent seen his game a lot but I do follow the Spurs. And we're not an offensive juggernaut. Your saying as if the other Nugget players are bad defenders. The PF now may not be a Jerami Grant on defense but he is not that bad. Jerami Grant was an excellent defender. He is almost a Mobley on defense and maybe more skilled on offense. Even in the NBA as 6'9 guy who can guard 2 to 5 or 3 to 5 and has a decent offense is rare. That is why Detroit over paid the guy. Jerami Grant is an excellent defender. Jokic can block shots but does not have the foot speed to match quick NBA players.

Even in Gilas Kai has showed good flashes in PNR defense. But again that is only in the first 10 or 15 minutes when he still has his wind. I dont watch NBL games so I will reserve judgement when he plays with Gilas. But I will still like Kouame to start and Kai off the bench like they did recently.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Would be good if people could watch Kai's defense vs Sydney currently ongoing. Won't comment as you can watch and see for yourself

 

[tomcat2]

I've actually asked a NBL data analytics person to analyze Kai's defense, and to be fair Kai assessemnt is actually adequate.. and not as bad as maybe some have suggested. I think for NBL center standards he is mid level, but not a plus defender . So from next NBL season perspective Kai is sufficient defensively.
For the NBA draft this year it's a different story, first of all very few centers who's main strength is not defensive (not a plus defender center ) are even drafted each year. JOKIC is actually one of the few 1 or 2 "non defensive" centers in each draft that is drafted each year. Pure centers like Kai actually make only around 12 % or 7 of players drafted each year .
Regardless of our opinion if Kai is one of the best 2 or 3 none defensive centers this year, the reality is from all reports shared with the public he is not one of top 5 centers this draft.. (it's tough to be considered in that exclusive group when you're avg 6 pts and 4 reb)

No offense Sir Dave but you belong to that people who are always stating that Kai's defense is bad..

 

[tomcat2]

It's obvious now. Kai has another gear he can definitely go to but does not. You can see it when he gets touches. Too bad he was taken out again. CJ has to let his young players play more.

Kai can only maintain high level energy for 5 straight minutes and after that his energy level goes down..

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Would be good if people could watch Kai's defense vs Sydney currently ongoing. Won't comment as you can watch and see for yourself

???

I dont think Kai is terrible at defense this game. He have bad defensive games. This one is not one of them.

Kai is even +3 this game despite adl losing.

I think it is also hard to be +3 in a loss.

 

[dubidub2]

It's obvious now. Kai has another gear he can definitely go to but does not. You can see it when he gets touches. Too bad he was taken out again. CJ has to let his young players play more.

I dont understand why he keeps on doing this despite the games being non bearing for them. Shouldn't they play him more to let him develop?

 

[dubidub2]

The only logical reason is that Brutton doesn’t know how to utilize a player like Kai. Heck the season is almost over and still there’s no single play designed for Kai.

It also doesn't help when his teammates ignore him even if he is wide open.

Maybe I can forgive CJ not having a single play designed for Kai. But to limit his minutes even in meaningless games is stupendous. Does he not care at all for the kid's development?

 

[dubidub2]

Yeah, playing time of only 5 minutes per game... and there is no plays there, It will be take the ball then get out of the way... Kai will definitely out of place there.. Gilas exposure should be must for him, especially we are the host next year... and putting Gilas in medal rounds with Kai in this year's FIBA Asia cup will be their leading center will be notice also by NBA scouts...

Yeah. It's not just about the minutes. It's also about the role. He will have a bigger and more important role over at Gilas.

 

[PeeZones2]

It is really a failure of the coach to properly utilize Kai. His teammates has been chucking forced shots a lot of times in most games but CJ really cant reprimand them. CJ isnt into easy bball of just recognizing the open man and instead allows their guards to ballhog.

Kai should play in the ASIA CUP after being drafted and have his Yao Ming moment. Yao was drafted first in 2002 but still played in that year's asiad. I wont believe that Kai wont be drafted despite the BS in ADL.
Too much upside as compared to the bigs in this year's draft.

Yao Ming and China were upset by South Korea, 102-100, in overtime of the gold medal game at the Asian Games in Pusan, South Korea. Yao, taken first overall in the 2002 N.B.A. draft by the Houston Rockets, had 23 points and 22 rebounds for China, which led by 84-71 with slightly more than three minutes left.

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/15/sports/plus-basketball-china-loses-final-in-asian-games.html#:~:text=Yao%20Ming%20and%20China%20were,more%20than%20three%20minutes%20left.

 

[reamily2]

Kai sotto is definitely more decent than the guys okc played earlier..although need games outside adelaide to prove it..

 

[PeeZones2]

Kai's agility and athleticism are above average for real 7footers and up. He has the upside on defense and clearly unstoppable on offense if given passes in his preferred spots.

That Kai floater won't be stopped in all leagues. His body will be stronger as he ages. He is already well built at his current age but needs to be muscular towards achieving a Gobert Body.

Kai needs a cerebral and systematic team. Spurs is a really great destination and he will be a plus on their frontcourt.

 

[Yessuh292]

I wonder what is Kai's role in ADL next year?? I hope it would be more than this year much better if 6th man or even a starter....

 

[allmight2]

Chot should utilized Kai's talent, I'm still have doubts on how Chot will use him, especially his DDO is always a guards play, But i'm sure Kiefer and Bolick will give Kai good looks and Chot should have plays for Kai... I'm picking Kai to play FIBA Asia than Summer league is because the latter will be only showcase individual skills, kumbaga we saw how not properly utilized Adelaide on Kai eh lalo na sa Summer league na coaches are no care for plays, they want to see skills and we all know magpapasiklaban mga gwardya dyan for spots... While for sure Kai will have a bigger role sa Asia cup, He will be the one of main man there, (others will be Ramos and Kouame)...

I’m confident Keifer will pass to Kai like what he’s doing with Omarra their import in Shiga.

 

[PeeZones2]

Chot should utilized Kai's talent, I'm still have doubts on how Chot will use him, especially his DDO is always a guards play, But i'm sure Kiefer and Bolick will give Kai good looks and Chot should have plays for Kai... I'm picking Kai to play FIBA Asia than Summer league is because the latter will be only showcase individual skills, kumbaga we saw how not properly utilized Adelaide on Kai eh lalo na sa Summer league na coaches are no care for plays, they want to see skills and we all know magpapasiklaban mga gwardya dyan for spots... While for sure Kai will have a bigger role sa Asia cup, He will be the one of main man there, (others will be Ramos and Kouame)...

Ako di din ako sold na kaya ni Chot si Kai. Small ball lover yan pero one thing is certain at least kilala ni Kai ang kasama niya. Tsaka wala namang issue si Kiefer at bolick kay Kai. Parang kuya sila sa kanya unlike kay SJ at ibang adl players na ayaw masapawan.

Gusto ni SJ at other ADL players na sila magshine at di si Kai. Pero di talaga bagay si Chot sa Gilas.haha Manager nalang dapat ng team or tagarecruit.hehe

 

[dubidub2]

Ako di din ako sold na kaya ni Chot si Kai. Small ball lover yan pero one thing is certain at least kilala ni Kai ang kasama niya. Tsaka wala namang issue si Kiefer at bolick kay Kai. Parang kuya sila sa kanya unlike kay SJ at ibang adl players na ayaw masapawan.

Gusto ni SJ at other ADL players na sila magshine at di si Kai. Pero di talaga bagay si Chot sa Gilas.haha Manager nalang dapat ng team or tagarecruit.hehe

well chot never had a player like kai. his teams always had great guards tho. maybe this team he'll adjust some of his plays to take advantage of kai's strengths.

 

[dubidub2]

The funny thing is, it seems, those cuts and dives that gets kai
open so often , he does those on his own volition and those are probably viewed by his team mates as a disruption to whatever shitty repetitive play they are running. His only part is to set screens and do handoffs atop right after getting that pass and then after that is his other role which is to pick up those garbage from his team mates' forced shots
Seriously, Kai looks the odd man out in there. That's how bad it has been.

if that were the case, then it just goes to show that they do not know how to react to the situation. it's funny how often guys like dech and hannah jack up silly shots. was that the play they were trying to run? lol he's sorely underutilized in offense. maganda naman feel ni kai on offense. hindi naman siya buwakaw and he passess well enough. i trust that he will make the right play. why are his teammates so scared of passing him the ball.

 

[jasper2222]

well chot never had a player like kai. his teams always had great guards tho. maybe this team he'll adjust some of his plays to take advantage of kai's strengths.

I have no confidence in Chot. Same coach who had Kouame but ran no plays for him.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

It is nice to see that Kai can still be effective an an off ball player.

In TSF, he is the first option. So we expect him to have monster numbers.

In Adelaide though, he is either the 5th or 4th option.

The way Kai cut, rolls, lob finisher, and make himself available for a pass will be very valuable in the nba if he makes it.

Obv, Kai wll not be one of the main option. So he needs to work as an off ball player.

 

[reamily2]

I have no confidence in Chot. Same coach who had Kouame but ran no plays for him.

yup nagmumukhang malik diouf si kouame pag sa gilas, forcing to do thing he isnt very good yet at..