Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[jasper2222]

Drop coverage defense. Eto yung tinitira lagi kay kai, na kapag nakakaiskor kalaban eh kay kai sisi. Kitang kita naman na it needs 2 players para madepensahan ang roll using this, pero yung guards ng adl eh hindi nag eeffort na humabol man lang.

I don't trust people who say Kai can't defend the PNR. Obvious that he can even with the inherent disadvantage.

This list includes Jokic who is consensus not seen as a defensive player. O yan ha. Cold hard numbers. Sometimes, consensus is wrong.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Well Bairstow and Humprhies have the same coach and teammates as Kai, but the PNR defensive coverage with them on the court is good (better)

 

[dubidub2]

Well Bairstow and Humprhies have the same coach and teammates as Kai, but the PNR defensive coverage with them on the court is good (better)

As should be. They are much older and experienced than Kai.

 

[DAdmiral2]

As should be. They are much older and experienced than Kai.

Well this is not the case for next star teenagers Ariel and Travers , both are considered better defenders than their respective older teammates in Melbourne and Perth (it's actually their strength), let's be honest there are players who are considered NBA prospects because of their defense , that's what they bring to the table and are known for. Overall defense especially PNR is not something that Kai is known for (it isn't a strength), kai's known for his offensive skill for a 7' 3 player. And his size around the rim is indeed a disruptive presence

 

[PeeZones2]

Kai has the foot speed,nasasabayan nga nya one on one yung ibng guards. At si JLA nga na fiesta kht si Zhou qi ang bantay dhl sa quickness, tahimik yan pag si kai ang matchup. Obviously, because kai can keep up. Hnd dn nmn low IQ sa depensa yung Kai, napick up nga nya yung defensive schemes ni Baldwin in a few days of practice. I think nag aalaangan si kai minsan either because bulok yung defensive schemes ni Brutton or nag aalanganin sya dahil sa team mates nya. Pero, sympre, kasalanan lahat yan ni Kai ayon sa mga talangka

Kaya ni Kai maging contributor on both ends. Wag lang mapunta sa team na parang sabog lahat maayos yan si Kai. Pag nakuha si Kai ng Spurs aabot si Kai sa potential niya. Kaya maging allstar. Kaya sana magdeclare na si Kai.haha para mangampanya tayu sa mga social media ng spurs.

Prob ni Kai sa ADL kasi sa offense outcast na siya ng teammates sa defense naman sinasabay si Kai kay Hannahs and DJ. Yung dalawa wala talaga maayos na defense. In the end coach and personnel issues talaga ADL. Wala pang maayos na defensive schemes then tamad pa players magdefend.hehe

 

[Rds2]

I don't trust people who say Kai can't defend the PNR. Obvious that he can even with the inherent disadvantage.

This list includes Jokic who is consensus not seen as a defensive player. O yan ha. Cold hard numbers. Sometimes, consensus is wrong.

Sometimes it's not about counting stats. Jokic is an example of having the defensive counting stats (block, steals) but is not an above average defender. Just look at how Spurs, without their best player, decimated Nuggets defense. Yes Jokic may get some blocks and steals but more often than not his presence is a net defensive negative. The guy scored 40 but they lost by almost 20. This is why defense is so hard to quantify, unlike offense. You need to watch the plays more than count the stats.

No one would vote Jokic as a good defensive player but Marc Gasol was once regarded to be an above average defender. He was a defensive player of the year IRC. Pace and space was not yet a league wide phenomenon when Gasol did it. But still he was lynchpin of a good defending Grizzlies team. He did not have many blocks or steals. But people around the league, players and journalists, generally agreed he was a good defender. And it showed with the defensive performance of his team.

 

[CoJ2]

Sometimes it's not about counting stats. Jokic is an example of having the defensive counting stats (block, steals) but is not an above average defender. Just look at how Spurs, without their best player, decimated Nuggets defense. Yes Jokic may get some blocks and steals but more often than not his presence is a net defensive negative. The guy scored 40 but they lost by almost 20. This is why defense is so hard to quantify, unlike offense. You need to watch the plays more than count the stats.

No one would vote Jokic as a good defensive player but Marc Gasol was once regarded to be an above average defender. He was a defensive player of the year IRC. Pace and space was not yet a league wide phenomenon when Gasol did it. But still he was lynchpin of a good defending Grizzlies team. He did not have many blocks or steals. But people around the league, players and journalists, generally agreed he was a good defender. And it showed with the defensive performance of his team.

very well said, Marc Gasol never averaged double digits in rebounding and his highest blocks per game average is 1.9 and his career average is 1.4. he was the core of the grit and grind Grizzlies team, doesnt have the stats to show for it as well but is respected around the league for his defense

edit: gasol's career steal average is 0.9 same with Dwight Howard, meanwhile harden averaged 1.7 in his entire career ( i know, bad comparison)

 

[DAdmiral2]

serious question, the NBA summer league is scheduled from July 7 to 17 , while the Asia Cup is scheduled from July 12 to 24. between the 2 , which competition would you rather have Kai play in ?

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

serious question, the NBA summer league is scheduled from July 7 to 17 , while the Asia Cup is scheduled from July 12 to 24. between the 2 , which competition would you rather have Kai play in ?

I hope Fiba Asia Cup. We badly need Kai there. And I think we must send our best lineup in that tourney.

Unlike Windows, Fiba Asia Cup is 1 tourney that I will barely use for development. (Maybe lopez or caelum can join as 11th or 12th man)

I feel we should prove in Fiba Asia Cup that we are also one of the top Asian teams.

With NZ and Aus. It will be hard. But that is more the reason I hope Kai will be there.

But if kai and his camp chose summer league. It is fine too

 

[CoJ2]

serious question, the NBA summer league is scheduled from July 7 to 17 , while the Asia Cup is scheduled from July 12 to 24. between the 2 , which competition would you rather have Kai play in ?

nba summer league, he'll get noticed by more scouts there and it has a higher level of competition than fiba asia cup

 

[CoJ2]

You will be notice if he will give playing time, But if not? In FIBA Asia cup, he will be given spotlight there... Summer league is only for Guards play... lalo mawawalan ng kumpiyansa si Kai

its the summer league, everyone gets playing time to get showcased..

 

[live_evil2]

NBA Summer League:
"I have the ball. I will shoot it so I will not get cut!"

 

[reamily2]

NBA Summer League:
"I have the ball. I will shoot it so I will not get cut!"

Summer league is typical street ball game guards will get offense, shoot try to get assiss for bigs you need to set screens for this guards, to get rebounds this guards are chucking and block the shots this guards are forcing to do..kumbaga its a nice environment to play for a change hehe pero dapat balik pa rin siya sa gilas after..Coaches naman will take notice kung talagang di ka nabibigayn and you still excelling eh

 

[DAdmiral2]

I would play in Asia Cup, it's a unique rare one time experience as Gilas is host for the 2023 WC. So from now until 2023 priority should be Gilas, after 2023 .. Kai is free to play in NBA summer league every year.

 

[dubidub2]

serious question, the NBA summer league is scheduled from July 7 to 17 , while the Asia Cup is scheduled from July 12 to 24. between the 2 , which competition would you rather have Kai play in ?

tough but id go with the fiba asia cup. biased siyempre because my primary allegiance lies with our national team. but i also think it might be better for kai to play there as he will be assured with a bigger role over at the summer league. the draft would also be done by then so i would rather he play for Gilas granted he is allowed by his team (if he gets drafted or signed).

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

tough but id go with the fiba asia cup. biased siyempre because my primary allegiance lies with our national team. but i also think it might be better for kai to play there as he will be assured with a bigger role over at the summer league. the draft would also be done by then so i would rather he play for Gilas granted he is allowed by his team (if he gets drafted or signed).

Yup. I think analyzed question highly depends if

1. Kai is drafted
2. Kai is undrafted but signed as UFA
3. Kai is undrafted and no nba teams signed him even as UFA.

But any of the 3 scenarios, I will prefer Kai in Gilas too

 

[dubidub2]

Yup. I think analyzed question highly depends if

1. Kai is drafted
2. Kai is undrafted but signed as UFA
3. Kai is undrafted and no nba teams signed him even as UFA.

But any of the 3 scenarios, I will prefer Kai in Gilas too

with the caveat, of course, that whomever kai has committed to, will give him the blessing to play for Gilas. obviously if he has no commitments to any NBA or any other foreign league at the time, he definitely should play for Gilas.

 

[jasper2222]

Sometimes it's not about counting stats. Jokic is an example of having the defensive counting stats (block, steals) but is not an above average defender. Just look at how Spurs, without their best player, decimated Nuggets defense. Yes Jokic may get some blocks and steals but more often than not his presence is a net defensive negative. The guy scored 40 but they lost by almost 20. This is why defense is so hard to quantify, unlike offense. You need to watch the plays more than count the stats.

No one would vote Jokic as a good defensive player but Marc Gasol was once regarded to be an above average defender. He was a defensive player of the year IRC. Pace and space was not yet a league wide phenomenon when Gasol did it. But still he was lynchpin of a good defending Grizzlies team. He did not have many blocks or steals. But people around the league, players and journalists, generally agreed he was a good defender. And it showed with the defensive performance of his team.

Net defense rating is nothing more than a team stat. You can also play "good defense" in terms of rating if you regularly outscore your opponent by much. The reason the Nuggets suffer defensively is not because Jokic is on it, he has great stats defensively (only being behind Gobert and Draymond Green in some stats), but because their bench is atrocious at defense. Ever since they traded Jerami Grant they lost their versatility on defense as a team. Look up Nugs defensive rating when he's on the court vs off it this year.

Also don't tell me to watch the plays, I do. Jokic defends the PNR very well like Kai does. My future 2-time MVP has like what, 3-4 game saving blocks this season? The problem is that a lot of people on IBN use a TEAM STAT to pursue a narrative. Stats and blocks are INDIVIDUAL stats. While I agree that they don't tell the whole story, the fact that you still think Jokic is a bad defender despite racking up individual numbers like that is telling. Marc Gasol doesn't have gaudy stats in the Grit n Grind Grizz? That's because his team was a great defensive team and regularly slowed down the pace. You have to take stats into context, that means stats AND the eye test, but people here love using offensive and defensive rating when comparing players, like net ratings are used for TEAMS. Please, when comparing players let's stop using net ratings, because when that happens the scope of the comparison stops being about players and becomes about teams.

Tell me the truth, are those people just scared to be grouped with people positively hyped on Kai so they say stuff they don't mean? Because I don't know the reason and won't pretend to psychoanalyze people from my computer. It irks me to see that there's still this pervasive notion that Kai cannot defend the PNR, when he's done numerous times. Aside from strength there's practically nothing one can complain about him defense-wise, he eve doesn't lose his man that often now compared to before.

 

[reamily2]

As for the Asia cup nba summe rleague asia cup malamang.. hehe unless there is a promise from nba that they will draft him

 

[DAdmiral2]

I've actually asked a NBL data analytics person to analyze Kai's defense, and to be fair Kai assessemnt is actually adequate.. and not as bad as maybe some have suggested. I think for NBL center standards he is mid level, but not a plus defender . So from next NBL season perspective Kai is sufficient defensively.
For the NBA draft this year it's a different story, first of all very few centers who's main strength is not defensive (not a plus defender center ) are even drafted each year. JOKIC is actually one of the few 1 or 2 "non defensive" centers in each draft that is drafted each year. Pure centers like Kai actually make only around 12 % or 7 of players drafted each year .
Regardless of our opinion if Kai is one of the best 2 or 3 none defensive centers this year, the reality is from all reports shared with the public he is not one of top 5 centers this draft.. (it's tough to be considered in that exclusive group when you're avg 6 pts and 4 reb)