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thatweirdguy
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Kai Sotto Draft Stocks (As of Now)
Nbascoutinglive - 80th
Nbadraftroom - 109th
Drafttrends - 166th
Other Sites - None yet
Yes, Kai make it last year at 55. In fact he even went up as Late First (24th iirc) in nba draftroom after TSF.
But the almost 2 years off hit his stock.
Yep, I dont remember any other eligible Filipino whose stock even match Kai.
I think Closest before Kai was Rayray Parks. But I cant remember how low or high was his stock. (He was out if top 100, but I am not sure if he is inside top 200)
A lot happened or didn't happen after TSF that honestly affected his development and draft stock..
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DAdmiral
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Rui a none center has adequate enough defense to get PT at both forward spots (he's considered a strong rebounder/which is also part of defense). It's much more unrealistic for a pure center to get PT if he is a weak defender and rebounder . As they're really the supposedly anchor on defense and are most vulnerable to pick and roll coverage
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DAdmiral
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Kai Sotto Draft Stocks (As of Now)
Nbascoutinglive - 80th
Nbadraftroom - 109th
Drafttrends - 166th
Other Sites - None yet
Yes, Kai make it last year at 55. In fact he even went up as Late First (24th iirc) in nba draftroom after TSF.
But the almost 2 years off hit his stock.
Yep, I dont remember any other eligible Filipino whose stock even match Kai.
I think )
Those draft ratings if you average the 3 109, 166 and 80 , the average is 118. This average is what you mean by CONSENSUS mock ratings.
Of the 300 who were drafted in last 5 years (60 per year ). No more than 3 or around 1 % had a consensus draft ratings of over 100 , 3 months away from draft date. Just to put in proper context Kai's current situation and chances.
It's a given that teams don't select based on mocks , but what this historical statistics shows is how accurate mock writers are in guessing who is still in the radar (top 100) to be drafted.
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Enforcer
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another slow start for kai. gave up an offensive rebound from freethrow and scored upon by robert franks. also gave up a pick and roll field goal to taane samuel.
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jasper222
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Kai Sotto Draft Stocks (As of Now)
Nbascoutinglive - 80th
Nbadraftroom - 109th
Drafttrends - 166th
Other Sites - None yet
Yes, Kai make it last year at 55. In fact he even went up as Late First (24th iirc) in nba draftroom after TSF.
But the almost 2 years off hit his stock.
Yep, I dont remember any other eligible Filipino whose stock even match Kai.
I think Closest before Kai was Rayray Parks. But I cant remember how low or high was his stock. (He was out if top 100, but I am not sure if he is inside top 200)
Being a trailblazer is hard. Nobody will take a chance at you because your "race" is basically still unproven. That's why in terms of Kai's draft stock in the mocks, I don't give a hoot one bit. We know Kai's much better than some frauds in that list.
another slow start for kai. gave up an offensive rebound from freethrow and scored upon by robert franks. also gave up a pick and roll field goal to taane samuel.
Not mistakes but weaknesses. Both things can be attributed to his lack of strength. Positioning is nothing if you can be overpowered as a big man. Kai posted up near the basket on Samuel, perfect position, but because Kai is "weak" relatively speaking, he got pushed out of it a bit. Minamama lang bata natin.
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mathematicianrcg
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Those draft ratings if you average the 3 109, 166 and 80 , the average is 118. This average is what you mean by CONSENSUS mock ratings.
Of the 300 who were drafted in last 5 years (60 per year ). No more than 3 or around 1 % had a consensus draft ratings of over 100 , 3 months away from draft date. Just to put in proper context Kai's current situation and chances.
It's a given that teams don't select based on mocks , but what this historical statistics shows is how accurate mock writers are in guessing who is still in the radar (top 100) to be drafted.
Fine then.
We will be all extremely happy if Kai defy the odds. And that 1% happens.
I believe Kai is a better player than some players ahead of him in mock drafts though. ( I agree with Jasper)
Same case with Remy Martin actually. He is in same drafr range as Kai. I think he shoulf be higher too
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thatweirdguy
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Being a trailblazer is hard. Nobody will take a chance at you because your "race" is basically still unproven. That's why in terms of Kai's draft stock in the mocks, I don't give a hoot one bit. We know Kai's much better than some frauds in that list.
Not mistakes but weaknesses. Both things can be attributed to his lack of strength. Positioning is nothing if you can be overpowered as a big man. Kai posted up near the basket on Samuel, perfect position, but because Kai is "weak" relatively speaking, he got pushed out of it a bit. Minamama lang bata natin.
Unfortunately unlike most scouts we have been following Kai career since the beginning so it's up to Kai to convince them how good he is..
I don't have the numbers but based on eye test Kai's scored easier on putbacks/broken plays and alley oops than posting up. Yeah lack of strength and physicality is mostly the cause.
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DAdmiral
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While true , Remy and Kai are better than many ahead in list. (This isn't the question)Fine then.
We will be all extremely happy if Kai defy the odds. And that 1% happens.
I believe Kai is a better player than some players ahead of him in mock drafts though. ( I agree with Jasper)
Same case with Remy Martin actually. He is in same drafr range as Kai. I think he shoulf be higher too
Statistics probability already accounts for Kai and Remy probably being better than many who are listed ahead of him.
But note what that means for Kai to be drafted, it means that Kai has to be viewed by an NBA selector as being a better prospect (not better player) than 60 players ahead of him . (This is highly doubtful to find 60 others who are lower prospects) He's already older with more pro experience than most ahead of him. So if you put in that accurate prospect it's really super unlikely
Note as well while we as Kai fans have watched more of Kai than foreign writers we cannot say we have watched more of the other players (60 others ) that we will Pick Kai ahead off. Like I said all these factors are accouted for in statistical probability.
A lot of the suprise sleepers are international none US base players ( this does not fit Kai’s profile who US media are very exposed to ) Kai isn't rated low because people haven't watched enough of him but rather he is low because of what people have seen of him. (Remember he was rated highly 55 before, it's not a lack of exposure)
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PeeZones
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While true , Remy and Kai are better than many ahead in list. (This isn't the question)
Statistics probability already accounts for Kai and Remy probably being better than many who are listed ahead of him.
But note what that means for Kai to be drafted, it means that Kai has to be viewed by an NBA selector as being a better prospect (not better player) than 60 players ahead of him . (This is highly doubtful to find 60 others who are lower prospects) He's already older with more pro experience than most ahead of him. So if you put in that accurate prospect it's really super unlikely
If you really process everything, the NBA teams these days are all in need of able bigs, and next draft big prospects are really lesser or equal to Kai.
Those who intend to draft Kai before are surely keeping tabs about him as evident by the statements of ADL GM and Brutton at the start of the NBL season. Those scouts don't care about MOCK WRITERS and the teams involved weren't really named all these time.
ADL and Brutton have been giving Kai the Dusty Hannah and Withers treatment. ADL was very vocal that they want Kai to be back but it is obvious that he would really apply for the draft this year.
If Kai would be back next year, they would surely groom and please Kai in preparation for next year. It seems that ADL is displeased with how things are developing and preparing forward to a scenario without Kai for next season.
It was evident ever since that the last say was always EWP regarding Kai. Kaya Analyze kitakits mid to end of May. If I am wrong, it is easy to accept that my take was wrong.hahaha Pero if mali ka that would add to your blunders.lol
I just cant wait for the end of the NBL season. With how Kai being treated lately, the least scenario would be Kai moving to another league or team. That would be the least option but most likely he will really apply for the draft.
My only concern would be that he be drafted by a team with a very good environment that would help Kai achieve his potential same as what happen to Jokic.
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The_Big_Cat2
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Not mistakes but weaknesses. Both things can be attributed to his lack of strength. Positioning is nothing if you can be overpowered as a big man. Kai posted up near the basket on Samuel, perfect position, but because Kai is "weak" relatively speaking, he got pushed out of it a bit. Minamama lang bata natin.
This is the most common and repetitive weakness/criticism on Kai, the lack of strength or not strong enough. If you were watching the NBL commentary especially the pre-game, halftime and post-game shows of Adelaide early in the season, you might have heard this a lot.
I have never seen Kai in the NBL score post-ups/back-to-the-basket power plays (always jump hooks or turnaroud shot and no post up power plays). I have never seen him do straight up/one-on-one/post-up blocks (always help side blocks) and he has a number of plays where he gets out rebounded on the defensive side. These are signs of lack of strength and power. And can attribute this to his low rebounding average of 4 rebounds per game.
Nandyan pa ang PNR woes, low motor and stamina issues. There is no problem with his offensive skills. The main concern has always been his physicality.
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PeeZones
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Kaya ngang suwayin ng EWP ang NBA with Ignite yung ADL pa. Kaya Kai wont be bound with ADL and obviously the NBA arent really angry with Kai based on how they promoted Kai last BWB anniversary.
Sobrang lakas ng hatak and following nung Kai para lang ighost ng NBA.haha so yung ADL joke yan na di nila ishowcase si Kai kasi aalis yan at di papayag ang EWP diyan.hahaha Pinakamahina lilipat ng team or liga si Kai or papadraft.hahaha
https://www.facebook.com/eastwestprivate/posts/5096243833787937
We Believe! 7 more games till end of season let’s go!!! Let’s make some noise!!!! #makesomenoise #basketball #dreambig #gohard #puso
this was EWP's last post about Kai.haha then yung ginawa ni brutton and ADL sa kay Kai walang noise. Ano yan may disconnect sa isat-isa walang coordination?lol alangan naman papayag EWP na limited minutes si Kai.haha
Alangan naman dreambig maglinger sa NBL at di madraft diba. unless natutulog sa pansitan EWP at agent at di kumakausap ng team wala talaga mapupuntahan si Kai.haha
Whole nation backing a prospect and very able big as compare to Chet and Banchero di madadraft?hahaha Sa market palang bawingbawi na NBA team diyan, ano nalang yung Filipino Heritage night if madraft si Kai and Merch Sale. Highest paid worn jersey sa ADL Kay kai pano pa if NBA na yan.haha
Sobrang lakas ng hatak and following nung Kai para lang ighost ng NBA.haha so yung ADL joke yan na di nila ishowcase si Kai kasi aalis yan at di papayag ang EWP diyan.hahaha Pinakamahina lilipat ng team or liga si Kai or papadraft.hahaha
https://www.facebook.com/eastwestprivate/posts/5096243833787937
We Believe! 7 more games till end of season let’s go!!! Let’s make some noise!!!! #makesomenoise #basketball #dreambig #gohard #puso
this was EWP's last post about Kai.haha then yung ginawa ni brutton and ADL sa kay Kai walang noise. Ano yan may disconnect sa isat-isa walang coordination?lol alangan naman papayag EWP na limited minutes si Kai.haha
Alangan naman dreambig maglinger sa NBL at di madraft diba. unless natutulog sa pansitan EWP at agent at di kumakausap ng team wala talaga mapupuntahan si Kai.haha
Whole nation backing a prospect and very able big as compare to Chet and Banchero di madadraft?hahaha Sa market palang bawingbawi na NBA team diyan, ano nalang yung Filipino Heritage night if madraft si Kai and Merch Sale. Highest paid worn jersey sa ADL Kay kai pano pa if NBA na yan.haha
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DAdmiral
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Realize players rise and fall out of draft , once highly rated does not stay static . Perfect example is Mojave King was rated similar to Giddey last year . Fast forward to present he is no longer a seriois prospect for 2022.
BTW the Bullets next star wing played well yesterday
BTW the Bullets next star wing played well yesterday
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mathematicianrcg
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Unfortunately unlike most scouts we have been following Kai career since the beginning so it's up to Kai to convince them how good he is..
I don't have the numbers but based on eye test Kai's scored easier on putbacks/broken plays and alley oops than posting up. Yeah lack of strength and physicality is mostly the cause.
That is Kai's Main Role In Adeliade:
Lob threat, Cutter, Glass Cleaning Putbacker, Roller, Rim Protector
He only have few opportunities in the Post, or Shot Creation Areas. Except for that 14 pt Game. He showed some hooks, and Faceup drives though.
I think kai is better at facing up when up against much physical and stronger opposition. Since he can use his finnesse more,
At least, we can see Kai to be somehow still effective as an Off Ball Role Player.
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PeeZones
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If we based things on how EWP is making decisions for Kai, wala yan silang paki kung sino kaman kesehoda NBA ka, si MVP kapa, si TSF, si remy martin kapa and kahit sino pa sa ADL. Lahat ng sinalihan ni Kai hanging lahat.lol Kaya nga grabeng promote ni Scott Ninnis na maging lottery pick si kai if he will stay one more year pero sinabi depende daw sa management ni Kai.
If ADL wants to please Kai and EWP, they should prepare Kai for next season and make him look good. Pero walang ganyan nung clear na di na maqualify ADL.haha deliberate ng di ginagamit si Kai pero wala naman problema.lol Di magstastay si Kai sa ADL.haha diba if you want someone to stay di mu yan gagalitin or iinisin?lol unless ADL is frustrated because Kai wont stay for another year.
Easy lang intindihin ang EWP they have a timeline for Kai and wala silang pake kahit sino pa yan. They know their product and the marketability of Kai. Kung si Chet lang naman basis sa bigs ng 2022.haha natatawa nalang EWP diyan.lol
Halatang si Kai these days pagnakakahawak ng bola titira.haha wala ng pake if ano pa diyan.haha
Kaya analyze magbunyi kana daming minutes ni Harris kasi maiiwan sa ADL yan.haha time to shine niya na.haha
If ADL wants to please Kai and EWP, they should prepare Kai for next season and make him look good. Pero walang ganyan nung clear na di na maqualify ADL.haha deliberate ng di ginagamit si Kai pero wala naman problema.lol Di magstastay si Kai sa ADL.haha diba if you want someone to stay di mu yan gagalitin or iinisin?lol unless ADL is frustrated because Kai wont stay for another year.
Easy lang intindihin ang EWP they have a timeline for Kai and wala silang pake kahit sino pa yan. They know their product and the marketability of Kai. Kung si Chet lang naman basis sa bigs ng 2022.haha natatawa nalang EWP diyan.lol
Halatang si Kai these days pagnakakahawak ng bola titira.haha wala ng pake if ano pa diyan.haha
Kaya analyze magbunyi kana daming minutes ni Harris kasi maiiwan sa ADL yan.haha time to shine niya na.haha
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Juan Lun
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Unfortunately unlike most scouts we have been following Kai career since the beginning so it's up to Kai to convince them how good he is..
I don't have the numbers but based on eye test Kai's scored easier on putbacks/broken plays and alley oops than posting up. Yeah lack of strength and physicality is mostly the cause.
He has to show that his body has the upside to become NBA ready. For me at this rate he'll be as strong as Zhou Qi only in 2 to 3 years which as we know is not good enough for the NBA
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IPC2
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Maybe Converge will enter a gentleman's agreement to end up with Baltazar in exchange of future favors. Isn't this year's draft deep with all the Filams? Maybe it might be easier to convince the top 2 teams to pass on Baltazar.
Like if BW or Terrafirma plans to pick Balti, Delta could influence Baltazar to go abroad first. Lol
Really hope this happens. Hehehehe.
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Rds2
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He has to show that his body has the upside to become NBA ready. For me at this rate he'll be as strong as Zhou Qi only in 2 to 3 years which as we know is not good enough for the NBA
I think Qi could have played in the NBA if he accepted he was going to be back up big. Qi is much better defensively than Haddadi but didnt last as long in the NBA. He wanted to be a big fish in a smaller pond.
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dubidub
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Really hope this happens. Hehehehe.
which one, baltazar to converge or abroad? hahahahaha
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dubidub
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I think Qi could have played in the NBA if he accepted he was going to be back up big. Qi is much better defensively than Haddadi but didnt last as long in the NBA. He wanted to be a big fish in a smaller pond.
in addition, didn't zhou's injuries force him out of the league? i don't think it was a matter of qi not being good enough for the NBA.