Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[mathematicianrcg2]

i would almost agree. kai only got 6 pts & 4 rebs against tasmania who had no tall, legit bigman. same as last week when they met sem phoenix w/ no legit bigs got 4 pts & 5 rebs.

if kai shows up tom against brisbane with the same mediocre and lackluster game the window for him to be drafted will close.

What production do you want to see from Kai tomorrow? 10pts and 10 rebs at least?

 

[DAdmiral2]

If you're really openly objective, it's no longer about the stats for Kai to move into the radar for serious NBA 2022 draft consideration.
It's what he does on the court that scouts are looking for transferable to the NBA. Kai can have zero points in the next few games , but if his PNR coverage and rebounding activity and position reaction suddenly move to elite level that would change everything. Unfortunately that's not realistic as Kai has physical and conditioning limitations that can't be teached or addressed in 1 month.

To put it bluntly yet objectively Kai while stil possible to get drafted is 99 % likely NOT to be drafted in 2022 or ever.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Offensively average, defensively well. He missed less assignments than shots, and we finally saw the team pass to him multiple times, even if he dropped 2 passes early on. Kai was positively influencing this game whether through his defense or offense, he was switching right, deflecting passes, altering shots, finding the right guy, etc.

This game could have been won if Kai wasn't missing his shots. His opponents know to shove him all the time to keep him off his rhythm because once you play honest defense with Kai a performance like the one where he scored 14 will happen.

Like i said. I don't mind kai scored nothing as long as kai made his presence felt on defensive end and do the little thing, small details.. that for me is kai's breakout game..

Lots of coaches will appreciate a player who don't mind a player scored nothing but made an impact on defensive end and rebounding.. reason people clamoring for gabe norwood and pingris who can make an impact on defensive end and don't mind score nothing

 

[Yessuh292]

If you're really openly objective, it's no longer about the stats for Kai to move into the radar for serious NBA 2022 draft consideration.
It's what he does on the court that scouts are looking for transferable to the NBA. Kai can have zero points in the next few games , but if his PNR coverage and rebounding activity and position reaction suddenly move to elite level that would change everything. Unfortunately that's not realistic as Kai has physical and conditioning limitations that can't be teached or addressed in 1 month.

To put it bluntly yet objectively Kai while stil possible to get drafted is 99 % likely NOT to be drafted in 2022 or ever.

So no more chances for Kai to get drafted in 2022, 2023,2024?? Aahhh

 

[kaibooster212]

So no more chances for Kai to get drafted in 2022, 2023,2024?? Aahhh

Still possible to get drafted, depends really on team needs. But at this point Kai getting drafted will be solely on his potential as a bigman.

 

[live_evil2]

his current strength level is laughable. easily shoved around by players smaller than him that is why he misses a lot of gimme shots and loses the ball a lot of times. trying to play guard when he should just put the ball up where few players can steal the ball. needs to master skyhook so his shots won't easily be bothered by defense as hooks usually create enough separation between shooter and defender, add to that his height which will make it almost impossible to block.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Still possible to get drafted, depends really on team needs. But at this point Kai getting drafted will be solely on his potential as a bigman.

Possible yes but highly improbable if you breakdown things.
1st there will be around 8 pure centers picked of the 58 to be drafted
2nd of those 8 centers , 6 (75%) strength is defense a necessity for centers .
3rd of those 8 centers , 6 (70 %) are 19 years old on draft day . With greater upside.

So the really the opportunity for a center of Kai's profile of a 20 yrs old pure center that is offensive skill oriented is limited to 1 or 2 players in the draft. So the question is Kai the best player available that fits that type and profile..?

 

[kaibooster212]

Possible yes but highly improbable if you breakdown things.
1st there will be around 8 pure centers picked of the 58 to be drafted
2nd of those 8 centers , 6 (75%) strength is defense a necessity for centers .
3rd of those 8 centers , 6 (70 %) are 19 years old on draft day . With greater upside.

So the really the opportunity for a center of Kai's profile of a 20 yrs old pure center that is offensive skill oriented is limited to 1 or 2 players in the draft. So the question is Kai the best player available that fits that type and profile..?

Well im not contesting about other prospect. What im saying is if scouts were to look at Kai and his probability of getting drafted, most likely they will look at the potential of the kid since motor and ready made game isnt his best assest.

Also there has been lots of weird draft pickings in the past where player not ranked in the mock draft was drafted

 

[DAdmiral2]

Well im

Also there has been lots of weird draft pickings in the past where player not ranked in the mock draft was drafted

A lot ? We can actually historically show how often this happens . In the last 5 drafts of 300 players drafted (60 per year). No more than 3 players were drafted that did not belong to top 100 ranked consensus prospects 3 months from draft day.
That's around 1% chance , so while it has happened it's extremely rare and unlikely.

 

[The_Big_Cat2]

Well im not contesting about other prospect. What im saying is if scouts were to look at Kai and his probability of getting drafted, most likely they will look at the potential of the kid since motor and ready made game isnt his best assest.

Also there has been lots of weird draft pickings in the past where player not ranked in the mock draft was drafted

Its possible. But his chances are going down by the week. Especially from the public pronouncements of two reputable NBA agents (Austin Ainge and Mike Schmitz) not mentioning him in their reviews and add that to his non-appearances in the mock drafts. Although chances are slim it is still possible and anything can happen.

 

[Juan Lun2]

Its possible. But his chances are going down by the week. Especially from the public pronouncements of two reputable NBA agents (Austin Ainge and Mike Schmitz) not mentioning him in their reviews and add that to his non-appearances in the mock drafts. Although chances are slim it is still possible and anything can happen.

True, Until Kai shows he can potentially be better than Zhou Qi in the last 7 or 8 games left of the season, then his draft stock won't increase. Probably 1% chance of defying the odds

 

[DAdmiral2]

Ainge is Head of international scouting for the Celtics ( he's actually more than agent) , Shmitz isn't an agent , but ESPN main expert on draft prospects and is the assistant coach of Uguanda national team. Mike is one of the few people that actually visits international prospects as early as 15 years old.

His and Givony top 100 prospects have a 99 % accuracy of naming including every one on the top 100 list who will be drafted

 

[Enforcer2]

Its possible. But his chances are going down by the week. Especially from the public pronouncements of two reputable NBA agents (Austin Ainge and Mike Schmitz) not mentioning him in their reviews and add that to his non-appearances in the mock drafts. Although chances are slim it is still possible and anything can happen.

yeah the opportunity to be drafted is fast closing unless kai comes up with a polarizing game tomorrow

 

[DAdmiral2]

Seriously has there ever been an eligible Filipino aside from Kai to either make it in any mock (Kai made it last year at 55) or be rated in top 130 prospects (Kai is around 105)?. I think none of eligible Philippine players have even been top 200. Malayo talaga.

 

[Yessuh292]

Seriously has there ever been an eligible Filipino aside from Kai to either make it in any mock (Kai made it last year at 55) or be rated in top 130 prospects (Kai is around 105)?. I think none of eligible Philippine players have even been top 200. Malayo talaga.

Do you think AJ Edu without the injuries is a better NBA prospect than Kai??

 

[jasper2222]

Don't know which game the others watched but the game yesterday, kai went 3 of 4 and turned it over just once.

No offense but I consider the missed catches and that botched pass to Mitch as his turnovers rather than the officially assigned one which is the botched fake + running hook attempt.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Do you think AJ Edu without the injuries is a better NBA prospect than Kai??

Hmm, unless one is super scorer the ticket to the NBA is defense this is why Watanabe and Rui are in the NBA , not offense), so in terms.of transferable relevant talent , maybe ..
This of course is all assuming AJ would rapidly improve from.18 to 22 yrs old like Rui and Yuta improved in 4 years in college .

You really have to superior offensive center like Jokic and Pozingis to be a rotation center in the NBA. Even Landale who' shoots like a SF can't get PT and went undrafted. (While Jakob was drafted 10th and avg 30 plus due to defense) Hard to make the NBA if your main calling card is offense especially for a center , who you can't hide defensively on PNR coverage

You only have to look at the % profile of centers who don't have defense as their strength who are drafted. It's like 1 or 2 only per draft

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Seriously has there ever been an eligible Filipino aside from Kai to either make it in any mock (Kai made it last year at 55) or be rated in top 130 prospects (Kai is around 105)?. I think none of eligible Philippine players have even been top 200. Malayo talaga.

Kai Sotto Draft Stocks (As of Now)

Nbascoutinglive - 80th
Nbadraftroom - 109th
Drafttrends - 166th
Other Sites - None yet

Yes, Kai make it last year at 55. In fact he even went up as Late First (24th iirc) in nba draftroom after TSF.
But the almost 2 years off hit his stock.

Yep, I dont remember any other eligible Filipino whose stock even match Kai.

I think Closest before Kai was Rayray Parks. But I cant remember how low or high was his stock. (He was out if top 100, but I am not sure if he is inside top 200)

 

[dubidub2]

Hmm, unless one is super scorer the ticket to the NBA is defense this is why Watanabe and Rui are in the NBA , not offense), so in terms.of transferable relevant talent , maybe ..
This of course is all assuming AJ would rapidly improve from.18 to 22 yrs old like Rui and Yuta improved in 4 years in college .

You really have to superior offensive center like Jokic and Pozingis to be a rotation center in the NBA. Even Landale who' shoots like a SF can't get PT and went undrafted. (While Jakob was drafted 10th and avg 30 plus due to defense) Hard to make the NBA if your main calling card is offense especially for a center , who you can't hide defensively on PNR coverage

You only have to look at the % profile of centers who don't have defense as their strength who are drafted. It's like 1 or 2 only per draft

Rui is/was mediocre on defense

 

[Rds2]

Rui is/was mediocre on defense

Rui was actually a decent scorer in his first a couple of years in the league. But I don't think he's a bad defender. You can't get major minutes in the NBA if your bad in defense unless you are a designated 3 pt shooter and he was not. He would not have gotten the minutes he got if he was bad in defense. Maybe he was more competition now and that is affecting his confidence.