Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[Enforcer2]

kai should have played better. there was no bairstow and yet he did not get a big chunk of bairstow’s minutes. also there was no other 7 footer and no zhou qi on the other side to bother him. kai was so bad in the first half that he registered a team worst minus 11. and at the end kai only got a meager 4 points and 5 rebounds in 15 minutes and a net minus 5 (second worst in adelaide). no excuse for him to play this bad without teammate bairstow and zhou qi on the other side to challenge him.

 

[DAdmiral2]

I still believe Kai can be better player... Some here posting about hate remarks on the kid.. But if you look at his development from his 2017 batang Gilas days until now, I can say Kai is already achieve more than what doubters says... In the end, we all happy what Kai will achieve because it will benefit for our national team as whole.. Even Chot will be one who will be happiest the most because he will be able to coach a Generational talent from us....

Kai's development in the context of Gilas serviceability is excellent , it becomes a problem when people over hype and call him a sure draft pick , that changes the overall expectation , and to be objective if the expectation is to compare him with NBA prospects born in 2002. he has been left behind, and has not improved at the same rate, ( kai was actually at a higher rating coming out of high school in 2020 , TSF , 65 in top 100 ESPN) , but it's not that he regressed , but others improved at a much higher rate.
again the context of FIBA Asia, even including Australia and NZ , Kai is really a top of his class for Asia Pacific centers born in 2002, that's not bad at all, do not spoil it by expecting him to be a serious draft prospect for 2022 ( which unfortunately he is NOT) , yun yung problema that others put on him, they set the expectation too high and actually provide false information on his real rating status. If Kai was a NBA draft prospect for 2024 (not this year) , for an Asian he would be like Zhou and Yi , which is not bad at all. the whole Ignite stuff making him a one and done expectation for an Asian honestly was a bad idea...

Contrary to what people misinterpret, those who correct the incorrect high expectations are not Kai haters, they're just haters of the hype ( yun lang), to Add those with unrealistic expectation like Peezons and Astig are actually unfairly treating Kai , they are the one's making life difficult and unfair for Kai /B]

 

[ja.he2]

Updated Team Standings:

B.League 1 (60 games):

East

1. Alvark Tokyo 29-8
2. Chiba Jets 25-7
3. Kawasaki Brave Thunders 32-11
4. Utsunomiya Brex 30-13
5. Akita Northern Happinets 26-15
6. Shibuya Sun Rockers 22-21
7. Gunma Crane Thunders 16-21
8. Yokohama B-Corsairs 16-27
9. Levanga Hokkaido 13-27
10. Ibaraki Robots 13-29
11. Niigata Albirex 5-36

West

1. Ryukyu Golden Kings 37-4
2. Shimane Susanoo Magic 33-10
3. Nagoya Diamond Dolphins 25-12
4. Mikawa Seahorses 22-17
5. Hiroshima Dragonfly 21-21
6. Shinshu Brave Warriors 20-24
7. Osaka Evessa 18-23
8. Toyama Grouses 16-29
9. Kyoto Hannaryz 12-31
10. Shiga Lakestars 10-30
11. San-en Neo-Phoenix 8-33

B.League 2 (60 games):

East

1. Fighting Eagles Nagoya 36-6
2. Sendai 89ers 30-13
3. Fukushima Firebonds 29-15
4. Koshigaya Alphas 21-19
5. Yamagata Wyverns 19-27
6. Earthfriends Tokyo Z 8-36
7.Aomori Wat's 2-41

T1 League (30 games):

1. Kaohsiung Aquas 17-6
2. Taichung Wagor Suns 14-8
3. New Taipei CTBC DEA 13-9
4. TaiwanBeer HeroBears 12-10
5. Taoyuan Leopards 5-15
6. Tainan TSG GhostHawks 4-17

NBL (28 games):

1. Melbourne United 15-6
2. Sydney Kings 14-7
3. Perth Wildcats 14-8
4. Illawarra Hawks 14-8
5. SEM Phoenix 12-10
6. Tasmania JackJumpers 12-10
7. Brisbane Bullets 8-14
8. Adelaide 36ers 7-13
9. Cairns Taipans 6-14
10. New Zealand Breakers 5-17

 

[PeeZones2]

Kai's development in the context of Gilas serviceability is excellent , it becomes a problem when people over hype and call him a sure draft pick , that changes the overall expectation , and to be objective if the expectation is to compare him with NBA prospects born in 2002. he has been left behind, and has not improved at the same rate, ( kai was actually at a higher rating coming out of high school in 2020 , TSF , 65 in top 100 ESPN) , but it's not that he regressed , but others improved at a much higher rate.
again the context of FIBA Asia, even including Australia and NZ , Kai is really a top of his class for Asia Pacific centers born in 2002, that's not bad at all, do not spoil it by expecting him to be a serious draft prospect for 2022 ( which unfortunately he is NOT) , yun yung problema that others put on him, they set the expectation too high and actually provide false information on his real rating status. If Kai was a NBA draft prospect for 2024 (not this year) , for an Asian he would be like Zhou and Yi , which is not bad at all. the whole Ignite stuff making him a one and done expectation for an Asian honestly was a bad idea...

Contrary to what people misinterpret, those who correct the incorrect high expectations are not Kai haters, they're just haters of the hype ( yun lang), to Add those with unrealistic expectations like Peezons and Astig are actually unfairly treating Kai , they are the one's making life difficult and unfair for Kai /B]

Really? It is well documented in this thread the countless burned predictions of the great IBN HOF ANALYZE. What makes you so confident this time?lol There is an obvious prejudice regarding Kai but then it doesn't dismiss the fact that Kai is a really good player. All of EWP and his agents had been so silent for the past weeks and I dont think they have abandoned Kai all these times.lol ADL wants Kai to be backed based on their statements but it is only his management team and agent who will have the last say.

Puro ka lang ngawa trail of embarassment naman always. It is obvious that NZ was just showcasing their young players because they are bound to be the WORST team this season. Dieng has been atrocious with his efficiency but NZ is just sticking with it. Paint him good all you want but he is still a lame and very unsure project.

from europe offers, to TSF, to ignite to NBL puro ka lang mali analyze. All of EWP and Kai's agent are too stupid and should listen to you.lol

 

[dubidub2]

How are they making things hard for Kai? When Kai has a bad game, they don't shit on him till kingdom come unlike some here. So who's really making things hard for him?

 

[DAdmiral2]

How are they making things hard for Kai? When Kai has a bad game, they don't shit on him till kingdom come unlike some here. So who's really making things hard for him?

It's very simple really, No one suggest that Mojave King is still a serious draft prospect for 2022 ( much more a sure pick) , why ? because King is simply no longer a serious 2022 draft prospect like Kai. Now let's say King supporters started claiming the contrary that he is sure draft prospect after each game ? Don't you think people will shit to kingdom come the comments , Not King , but the comments of King supporters that he will be a sure prospect ? of course they will. because it's totally uncalled for.
Is that clear now? Kings unreasonable supporters will actually be hurting King if they do what they're doing currently for Kai. hopefully that's clear

BTW King or Kai not being a serious 2022 draft prospect is not my take or opinion, but is litterally just a factual observation of who is in the radar as a serious prospect being mentioned by experts published in media.. No one is making takes here. at least no one in this forum.

BTW all the agents of these real prospects are also silent Like EWP, it's not them who is promoting or marketing them as prospects, but these different media outlets , who report calls and interest from NBA teams

 

[empyreanmaze2]

So who's really making things hard for him?

Every serious foreign talent in the NBA has had shit experiences, particularly the likes of Giannis, Embiid, Porzingis and Jokic, we shouldn't coddle Kai if we want him to succeed. Pinoy culture is so used to treating outliers like Kai like they are the most popular kid in class, that's why we have a showbiz culture when it comes to athletes instead of a culture that can produce world class talents in team sports(we don't even have to look outside of Asia to see which country has us beat there). Kai is an athlete and an athlete's life isn't easy, these people should strive for greatness, not stardom, the inputs of people here like PeeZones and the other dickriders does not have value for him because it only helps him achieve the latter and not the former, these guys will turn Kai into another showbiz athlete instead of a serious prospect.

 

[ja.he2]

Every serious foreign talent in the NBA has had shit experiences, particularly the likes of Giannis, Embiid, Porzingis and Jokic, we shouldn't coddle Kai if we want him to succeed. Pinoy culture is so used to treating outliers like Kai like they are the most popular kid in class, that's why we have a showbiz culture when it comes to athletes instead of a culture that can produce world class talents in team sports(we don't even have to look outside of Asia to see which country has us beat there). Kai is an athlete and an athlete's life isn't easy, these people should strive for greatness, not stardom, the inputs of people here like PeeZones and the other dickriders does not have value for him because it only helps him achieve the latter and not the former, these guys will turn Kai into another showbiz athlete instead of a serious prospect.

Like Kobe Paras, Japeth Aguilar, etc.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

Like Kobe Paras, Japeth Aguilar, etc.

Exactly, pinoys have the mentality that hardship shouldn't be the case for basketball players like Kai because he's so physically gifted and should not face any adversities in his road to greatness, these guys aren't any different than the Manny Pacquiaos and many of our boxers who came from poverty, the fact that they are 6'6+ does not excuse them from the hardship, doubts and challenges that athletes would face on their way to the top. I think it's just the immaturity of pinoy fans treating these guys like comic book heroes because they cannot relate to them while they can relate to the 5'6 boxer that came from the province practicing barefooted with plastic bags for gloves or some shit. We are an immature country when it comes to producing talents for team sports especially a sport that strictly requires biological outliers.

 

[dubidub2]

It's very simple really, No one suggest that Mojave King is still a serious draft prospect for 2022 ( much more a sure pick) , why ? because King is simply no longer a serious 2022 draft prospect like Kai. Now let's say King supporters started claiming the contrary that he is sure draft prospect after each game ? Don't you think people will shit to kingdom come the comments , Not King , but the comments of King supporters that he will be a sure prospect ? of course they will. because it's totally uncalled for.
Is that clear now? Kings unreasonable supporters will actually be hurting King if they do what they're doing currently for Kai. hopefully that's clear

BTW King or Kai not being a serious 2022 draft prospect is not my take or opinion, but is litterally just a factual observation of who is in the radar as a serious prospect being mentioned by experts published in media.. No one is making takes here. at least no one in this forum.

BTW all the agents of these real prospects are also silent Like EWP, it's not them who is promoting or marketing them as prospects, but these different media outlets , who report calls and interest from NBA teams

My argument isnt whether Kai is a serious draft prospect or not. I just dont see how the exuberance of some would hurt Kai. Your worry is that if Kai doesn't get drafted, the same people, in the context of IBN, will shit on him. That is an assumption. And I have no reason to believe that they will in the event that does happen.

Is it really a matter a of protecting Kai or proving who's wrong, who's right? Honest question.

Anyway my take is, why can't we just let people beliebe what they want to believe? They have their reasons. I mean it's just basketball.

 

[dubidub2]

Every serious foreign talent in the NBA has had shit experiences, particularly the likes of Giannis, Embiid, Porzingis and Jokic, we shouldn't coddle Kai if we want him to succeed. Pinoy culture is so used to treating outliers like Kai like they are the most popular kid in class, that's why we have a showbiz culture when it comes to athletes instead of a culture that can produce world class talents in team sports(we don't even have to look outside of Asia to see which country has us beat there). Kai is an athlete and an athlete's life isn't easy, these people should strive for greatness, not stardom, the inputs of people here like PeeZones and the other dickriders does not have value for him because it only helps him achieve the latter and not the former, these guys will turn Kai into another showbiz athlete instead of a serious prospect.

I understand and agree that athlete's should not be coddled. However, I seriously doubt he reads IBN. If you think those who overhype Kai do not add value for him, I seriously doubt their comments hurt him either. Just my 2 cents.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

I understand and agree that athlete's should not be coddled. However, I seriously doubt he reads IBN. If you think those who overhype Kai do not add value for him, I seriously doubt their comments hurt him either. Just my 2 cents.

The kid is aware what people think about him, as long as you have internet access you’re gonna know all of that weather you meant to or not, he knows he have doubters and dickriders and that has influence directly and indirectly. I do hope he becomes more and more detached from the influences of pinoy hype and socmed culture as he grows. None of our sports greats has had to deal with that shit, I can only imagine if youtube and facebook are widely used during Pacquiao and Efren Bata Reyes’s youths, those 2 greats would probably be tiktokers instead of legends.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

The kid is aware what people think about him, as long as you have internet access you’re gonna know all of that weather you meant to or not, he knows he have doubters and dickriders and that has influence directly and indirectly. I do hope he becomes more and more detached from the influences of pinoy hype and socmed culture as he grows. None of our sports greats has had to deal with that shit, I can only imagine if youtube and facebook are widely used during Pacquiao and Efren Bata Reyes’s youths, those 2 greats would probably be tiktokers instead of legends.

I read or know somewhere that Kai rarely handles his accounts. I mean the lesser, the better to avoid both Haters and Overhypers. It is equally bad. (Especially those yt chammels with caption: Kai, Ginulat .....)lol

Personally, all I know and belive is. Kai will make the nba one way or another.

But for the meantime, there will be remaining 8 nbl games for Kai this season in NBL before the combine. Will be huge on his stock since March madness is almost over, attention will be more on nbl, ignite, and europe leagues

 

[Enforcer2]

I understand and agree that athlete's should not be coddled. However, I seriously doubt he reads IBN. If you think those who overhype Kai do not add value for him, I seriously doubt their comments hurt him either. Just my 2 cents.

In one of kai’s video conferencing interviews after being benched in his first game he replied giggly “there are so many coaches in the philippines”in reference to the backlash cj bruton got from benching kai in his first eligible game in the nbl.

 

[DAdmiral2]

The most embarrassing thing about this is the post in the FB NBL thread were Pinoys are privately messaging some of the Australian NBL fans who .commented , with message threats. C'mon..

 

[The_Big_Cat2]

ESPN latest mock draft released today. Banchero and Smith trades places while Holmgren remains number 1. Dieng at 19th. Besson at 32nd and Harper Jr at 58th.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/in...how-road-final-four-shaped-our-latest-updates

 

[The_Big_Cat2]

ESPN NBA Today Malika Andrews interviews Mike Schmitz on the top international prospects for the draft.


https://twitter.com/mike_schmitz/status/1508667411611930625?s=21

 

[DAdmiral2]

My argument isnt whether Kai is a serious draft prospect or not. I just dont see how the exuberance of some would hurt Kai. . n.

Is it really a matter a of protecting Kai or proving who's wrong, who's right? Honest question.

Anyway my take is, why can't we just let people beliebe what they want to believe? They have their reasons. I mean it's just basketball.

No you misunderstood my point, I'm saying no one is really shiting or hating Kai, but they're shitting or hating the hype unrealistic expectations and comments. Like no one is shitting comments on Mojave king as a sure draft pick, because there are none! (No one claims he is) YES everyone is entitled to making a bold prediction, but naturally expect to be called out if it's unrealistic. And especially when one starts claiming he is really better than popular opinion claims and that media/others are just wrong or even called bobo.
It's gotten to the extreme that Kai fans are making death threats ..towards people who have a contrary opinion. And some suggesting coach CJ is wrong on how he uses Kai. This does hurt Kai .. as he voiced out, ang daming "genius or coaches

 

[PeeZones2]

They are insisting that they are realist and were not hating on Kai but a lot of the NEGATRONS have been hijacking tweets just to discredit/malign Kai. They are pretending to be not Pinoy but were obvious trolls.

Analyze the Hall of Famer of IBN has been sowing doomsday predictions for Kai ever since. Fortunately, he has been historically wrong all the time.haha

Also, if ever Kai will forego this draft then it would add to his wrong predictions because Kai wasn't auto eligible as per his insistence.haha

I think May would be the key month for Kai after this NBL season and if he will participate in the Draft combine mid-May. I won't be surprised if Analyze would say that Kai won't be invited.haha Kai is a staple on BWB's videos, it would be counterproductive for the NBA to not invite Kai as he represents BWB as an Alumnus. The only possible reason that he won't participate is if his team will forego the combine.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Let's be clear, you're actually saying the mocks and media reports of those receiving interest from NBA scouts are wrong ! This isn't about who in IBN is wrong or right .
I'm just posting literarily what media is reporting on only.
And other are either saying the reports don't exist or are wrong .
That is the bottom line really.

Everyone can get their predictions wrong , that is not the issue at all!

But it's the claim that current ratings of who are in the radar to be drafted either do not exist or are wrong .. which is totally uncalled for and inappropriate.
Why is it inappropriate? Cause these fans are going to the extreme and mocking and threatening these "media expert predictions " as bias against Kai. (Just look at social media, it's embarrassing!). That is the real issue. Nothing else this is Certainly not about who is right or wrong with predictions which we are all entitled to.