Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[jasper2222]

Isn’t Caidic also 6’2? His only nba skill would be shooting, everything else would need to be better.

Caidic is a shooter/scorer. He has an unparalleled feel for the game, players like Dellavedova and Beverley have very crappy defense imo but because they put 100% effort into it, they get by. Triggerman can do the same thing, with training in the US of course, let's say like Kai's.

 

[tomcat2]

Caidic is a shooter/scorer. He has an unparalleled feel for the game, players like Dellavedova and Beverley have very crappy defense imo but because they put 100% effort into it, they get by. Triggerman can do the same thing, with training in the US of course, let's say like Kai's.

Even Calvin Abueva and Pingris with their motor, grit and toughness could play in the NBA as a point guard and big guard if they were trained in the US(10-19 years old)..

 

[Sikatrix2]

Isn’t Caidic also 6’2? His only nba skill would be shooting, everything else would need to be better.

In a scenario wherein Caidic is in the NBA, he is discovered early because of his performances for Gilas and gains the proper training. Caidic without the improved training wont make the NBA for sure.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Caidic is a shooter/scorer. He has an unparalleled feel for the game, players like Dellavedova and Beverley have very crappy defense imo but because they put 100% effort into it, they get by. Triggerman can do the same thing, with training in the US of course, let's say like Kai's.

How about a US trained Kraken? I feel he'd be a completely different player

 

[CoJ2]

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There is a reason i thought of Christian, i was talking to a scout yesterday, about how the Philippine develops players and we're one in the same in observation, it comes down to getting the needed exposure environment at critical development years ( 13 to 18 years old) , essentially playing against bigger, more athletic players and older at those ages.. and literally year round. for like 7 years straight.

If kai did not spend the last 2 years at (16 to 18 yrs old ) exposed to bigger players in the US, do you think he would be the player he is now? Now Kai cause of his height can possbily get away with just getting that exposure at 16 yrs old.. but for forwards, wings and guards , i think it absolutely is not possible unless you get that exposure from like from 14 to 19 years old .. litterally if 19 yrs old (which age now of our high school graduates) is the 1st time you get constant exposure to bigger and more athletic players , it basically is game over .. too late.

essentially it is almost impossible

so out of this group (japeth, kiefer, kobe and parks), brp had a better chance of getting drafted in the nba/ be the best player of the country had he not returned to the Philippines to suit up for NU (can't blame the kid, his dad was ailing that time and boosters back home were willing to foot the bill)

this is true, any Filipino prospect/blue chip talent who aims to enter the NBA should be competing and training (live is actually a better term) in Europe or the US for him to have a shot. Too bad this entails long term financial investment

 

[TheRodster212]

so out of this group (japeth, kiefer, kobe and parks), brp had a better chance of getting drafted in e nba/ be the best player of the country had he not returned to the Philippines to suit up for NU (can't blame the kid, his dad was ailing that time and boosters back home were willing to foot the bill)

this is true, any Filipino prospect/blue chip talent who aims to enter the NBA should be competing and training (live is actually a better term) in Europe or the US for him to have a shot. Too bad this entails long term financial investment

If we were to hypothetically say all had grown and developed in the us. I think Japeth would have been the best chance

 

[thatweirdguy2]

so out of this group (japeth, kiefer, kobe and parks), brp had a better chance of getting drafted in e nba/ be the best player of the country had he not returned to the Philippines to suit up for NU (can't blame the kid, his dad was ailing that time and boosters back home were willing to foot the bill)

this is true, any Filipino prospect/blue chip talent who aims to enter the NBA should be competing and training (live is actually a better term) in Europe or the US for him to have a shot. Too bad this entails long term financial investment

When Japeth and Kobe played in Div 1 did they have to pay for everything or did they have a sponsor?

 

[CoJ2]

When Japeth and Kobe played in Div 1 did they have to pay for everything or did they have a sponsor?

Kobe was financed by mascarinas, hence the family's loyalty to him. And much of his decisions, from returning to the Phils, playing for UP and prioritizing chooks-to-go over Gilas were probably influenced by Mascarinas

and there were rumors back then that the main reason why Kobe quit was not playing time but the financial cost of living in the US

 

[CoJ2]

If we were to hypothetically say all had grown and developed in the us. I think Japeth would have been the best chance

i agree, out of the four that i've mentioned (brp,japeth, kiefer and kobe) he has the height and exceptional skills, and training/playing in the US at a young age would have offset his questionable bball iq

 

[DAdmiral2]

Even Calvin Abueva and Pingris with their motor, grit and toughness could play in the NBA as a point guard and big guard if they were trained in the US(10-19 years old)..

agree, interesting is the international scout i was discussing things with was Thridy's international handlers. and that was the thinking , Thirdy's athleticism if trained as purely a point guard ( 10 -19 yrs) meaning with world class bigger and more athletic exposure would be easily a div 1 player and an NBA prospect

 

[DAdmiral2]

Yes BRP would have most realistic chance logistically to have trained in the US ( 10 to 19 yrs old), but i agree 6'10 (nba style measre) is still rare especially if mobile . so Jap hypotetically if all his life lived in the US would be my bet.

Here is the thing , that is simply based on physcial gift. the thing is we all know those who make it are not just smart but more importantly have mental grit (work ethic ) now i don't really know of the players mentioned , who is the hardest worker.... to me that would be more the barometer.

 

[Sikatrix2]

If we were to hypothetically say all had grown and developed in the us. I think Japeth would have been the best chance

Maybe if Japeth didn't get injured accompanied by the coach that recruited him leaving the team once Courtney Lee left then it would've happened. But we actually saw him in the US and it wasn't good.

 

[jasper2222]

How about a US trained Kraken? I feel he'd be a completely different player

Definitely a much more different player than he is right now. Remember during his ABL and Petron days? Kraken was looking for dunks when he could. A more athletic JMF with his post moves and a shot from outside will be a monster.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Definitely a much more different player than he is right now. Remember during his ABL and Petron days? Kraken was looking for dunks when he could. A more athletic JMF with his post moves and a shot from outside will be a monster.

Maybe his defense would be better aince he'd be forced to defend perimeter players and post players who are around his size. He'd also probably have a more modern game as opposed to being a traditional bigman.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

A lot of what ifs.

But we cannot do anything about it now.

You can only manage present and future.

Kai and next prospects. I hope will break the door.

The Door that is blocking homegrown Filipinos to enter the Nba.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Definitely a much more different player than he is right now. Remember during his ABL and Petron days? Kraken was looking for dunks when he could. A more athletic JMF with his post moves and a shot from outside will be a monster.

What I think is certain is if the Philippines could develop players as well as the US for example, then multiple PBA stars couldve made the NBA. Sadly our developmental system is bad if the standard is to develop NBA talent.

 

[CoJ2]

A lot of what ifs.

But we cannot do anything about it now.

You can only manage present and future.

Kai and next prospects. I hope will break the door.

The Door that is blocking homegrown Filipinos to enter the Nba.

hopefully the next homegrown prospect would be identified while still in middle school/ grade 7-8 and will be bankrolled by patient benefactors since making the nba is a long term investment/commitment (note the financer should not expect immediate return of investment and should learn from aau coaches/handlers that the huge payday is a decade away)

 

[CoJ2]

Yes BRP would have most realistic chance logistically to have trained in the US ( 10 to 19 yrs old), but i agree 6'10 (nba style measre) is still rare especially if mobile . so Jap hypotetically if all his life lived in the US would be my bet.

Here is the thing , that is simply based on physcial gift. the thing is we all know those who make it are not just smart but more importantly have mental grit (work ethic ) now i don't really know of the players mentioned , who is the hardest worker.... to me that would be more the barometer.

smart, mental grit, somehow this are the knocks thrown against kobe and japeth

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

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According to kawhoops sources (I dont know who) ,Kai:s camp will have a big news this week. Lol.

Maybe it is related to nba draft

So we can stop the argument in Nba Draft eligibility, automatically entered thing.

 

[tomcat2]

hopefully the next homegrown prospect would be identified while still in middle school/ grade 7-8 and will be bankrolled by patient benefactors since making the nba is a long term investment/commitment (note the financer should not expect immediate return of investment and should learn from aau coaches/handlers that the huge payday is a decade away)

The question is if that identified next homegrown prospect’s parents are willing to let their son to be away from them at a mere age of 14 or 15 years old, even Kai was accompanied by his family(Kai was close with his mom)..