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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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CoJ said:
in terms of age group? yes he is, but in terms of the total basketball landscape of the country the likes of kobe, keifer, brp ( if you count him as home grown) jmf, castro, abueva et.al could give him a run for the best homegrown tag. But the names i have mentioned are either on their primes or on the decline while Kai has yet to hit his peak and is projected to be better as he enter his prime.

somehow i get the strategy on how EWP is selling Kai in terms of potential. obviously he won't get drafted based on the level of skill he has now, (no way he is on the same level as the like of suggs, mobley etc as of now).

but the sad thing is, nba teams had been burned/finessed by potential before with the likes of kwame, Tskitishvili, Bennet, Darko etc. And the pandemic made things worse as there is no tournament that could have showcased kai's potential. the cancelled FIBA window last feb-march could have been it and if Kai produced Yao like numbers during the 2001-2002 FIBA Asia cycle, he could have cracked the mock drafts.
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Yes. Ray Park js Homegrown for me

So in other words.

Kai (not prime) is as good or better than our other Prime Local hoemgrown Best Players.

Anyway, my point of that is who will be most likely to follow Kai as an Nba prospect.

As u said, the other names you mentionaed are past prime, or too old to be an nba prospect.

So, the gap of Kai and his Peermates is huge
 
Sikatrix said:
I still believe Caidic couldve made the NBA if he was part of this generation.
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I think Caidic’s lateral quickness, ball handling and defense needs to improve if he was part if this generation for him to be offered a spot in an NBA ballclubs..
 
tomcat said:
I think Caidic’s lateral quickness, ball handling and defense needs to improve if he was part if this generation for him to be offered a spot in an NBA ballclubs..
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I think Sir Allan Caidic could be in Nba in the Time Guys like Marco Bellineli and Jason Kapono ( Slow but Deadeye Shooters) are in the nba
 
mathematicianrcg said:
Yes. Ray Park js Homegrown for me

So in other words.

Kai (not prime) is as good or better than our other Prime Local hoemgrown Best Players.

Anyway, my point of that is who will be most likely to follow Kai as an Nba prospect.

As u said, the other names you mentionaed are past prime, or too old to be an nba prospect.

So, the gap of Kai and his Peermates is huge
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very wide gap between kai and his batchmates indeed, so if Kai doesn't make it, we have to wait for another decade (or generation) for another homegrown NBA prospect. Fortunately, Kai's NBA window is wide open due to his youth.
 
IshmaelM said:
I dont know if it was Givony. But the knock on Zhou Qi was he was a bit mechanical and didnt seem to enjoy the game. By Asia levels Zhou Qi is a physical specimen with 7'8 wingspan and decent mobility. So it was not his physicals or skills that was the problem I think. Kai, like most Pinoys, has that love of the game. But he doesnt have as long a wingspan so his laterals should be better.
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Strengths: -Has great size at over 7-feet tall
-Long arms -Very mobile for his size
-Excellent hands
-Versatile offensive player
-Shows decent footwork and post moves
-Makes turnaround jumpers with soft touch
-Can make a mid-range jump-shot.
Shows range out to the 3-point line
-Converted 85% of his free throws at the U17 World Championship
-Can attack slower centers from the mid-post off one or two dribbles
-Solid passer
-Very good timing as a shot-blocker

Weaknesses:
-Extremely frail. How much will his body fill out?
-Lacks the strength or toughness to take advantage of his size consistently inside the paint
-Struggles to establish deep post position. Shies away from contact
-Has a difficult time finishing when an opponent puts a body on him
-Rarely boxes out on defensive glass. Doesn't go out of his area for loose balls
-Very passive offensively. Doesn't call for the ball or show any real emotion
-Activity/effort level is average. Doesn't run the floor willingly. Looks a bit lazy/apathetic at times

Outlook: One of the most talented international prospects in the 1996 class. Extremely gifted 7-footer with tremendous versatility and an advanced offensive game for his age. Shows good timing defensively. Very productive at the junior level. Mental makeup is a bit of a question mark. Doesn't show great passion for the game. Sometimes looks like he's playing because he's tall and talented, not because he enjoys it. Still extremely young both age-wise and physically, so has plenty of time to continue to develop. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Zhou-Qi-61857/ ©DraftExpress

By Jonathan Givony

I mean some of those weaknesses still exist today
 
TheRodster21 said:
Strengths: -Has great size at over 7-feet tall
-Long arms -Very mobile for his size
-Excellent hands
-Versatile offensive player
-Shows decent footwork and post moves
-Makes turnaround jumpers with soft touch
-Can make a mid-range jump-shot.
Shows range out to the 3-point line
-Converted 85% of his free throws at the U17 World Championship
-Can attack slower centers from the mid-post off one or two dribbles
-Solid passer
-Very good timing as a shot-blocker

Weaknesses:
-Extremely frail. How much will his body fill out?
-Lacks the strength or toughness to take advantage of his size consistently inside the paint
-Struggles to establish deep post position. Shies away from contact
-Has a difficult time finishing when an opponent puts a body on him
-Rarely boxes out on defensive glass. Doesn't go out of his area for loose balls
-Very passive offensively. Doesn't call for the ball or show any real emotion
-Activity/effort level is average. Doesn't run the floor willingly. Looks a bit lazy/apathetic at times

Outlook: One of the most talented international prospects in the 1996 class. Extremely gifted 7-footer with tremendous versatility and an advanced offensive game for his age. Shows good timing defensively. Very productive at the junior level. Mental makeup is a bit of a question mark. Doesn't show great passion for the game. Sometimes looks like he's playing because he's tall and talented, not because he enjoys it. Still extremely young both age-wise and physically, so has plenty of time to continue to develop. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Zhou-Qi-61857/ ©DraftExpress

By Jonathan Givony

I mean some of those weaknesses still exist today
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And also his age rumors, 2-4 years older than his listed age.. :o
 
mathematicianrcg said:
I think Sir Allan Caidic could be in Nba in the Time Guys like Marco Bellineli and Jason Kapono ( Slow but Deadeye Shooters) are in the nba
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CoJ said:
very wide gap between kai and his batchmates indeed, so if Kai doesn't make it, we have to wait for another decade (or generation) for another homegrown NBA prospect. Fortunately, Kai's NBA window is wide open due to his youth.
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I will not be surprised if the next prospect we have is Kai's brother himself. Hahah.

Tim Sotto(hopefully he grow as tall as Kai, and play basketball in USA)

Unfortunately Kai and Tim are 15 yrs apart.
 
I looked it up. Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz also wrote the draft express scouting report on Kobe paras. How accurate is it?
 
mathematicianrcg said:
I will not be surprised if the next prospect we have is Kai's brother himself. Hahah.

Tim Sotto(hopefully he grow as tall as Kai, and play basketball in USA)

Unfortunately Kai and Tim are 15 yrs apart.
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If Tim grows up in the states it’ll be interesting to see if he develops like his brother or if the physical training in the states turns him into something else
 
TheRodster21 said:
I looked it up. Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz also wrote the draft express scouting report on Kobe paras. How accurate is it?
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is this the report? lol at the talks a lot of trash part

Strengths: -Excellent physical profile. 6' 7” with a strong frame (upper and lower body) and long arms. -Bouncy athlete. Good first step. Can play above the rim with ease. -Very good shooter, especially when he's able to step into it. Shows potential as a shooter off the bounce. Footwork isn't great but he's able to create space off the bounce. Uses step backs. Throws ball in basket -Shot 27/73 (37%) for 3 and 55/71 (71%) from the free throw line this summer in 21 adidas event games. -Can straight line drive. Comfortable with the ball in his hands. -Has the tools to be very good defensively. -Has plenty of upside to continue to develop into a versatile all-around player

Weaknesses: -Average passer who has room to improve on his feel for the game. Almost always looking to score. Loves to isolate and force up off balance jumpers. Tunnel vision while he's on the move. Throws up wild layups. -Average finisher around the basket. Lacks a degree of toughness and physicality. -Shot just 47% for 2 this summer in 21 adidas event games. -Has some edge to him but not always in a positive way. Talks a lot of trash. -Comfortable, but not an advanced ball handler. -Needs to improve his footwork off the bounce. Every pull up is into a jump stop rather than a 1-2. -Jump shot can be a little streaky. Flings the ball at the rim from time to time. -Not always engaged defensively. Can do a better job bending his knees and sitting down in a stance.

Outlook: Paras, who came to the US two years ago, is the son of Benjie Paras, a famous basketball player, TV actor and movie star in the Philippines. He has the physical profile, athleticism and shooting ability of a high-major wing, and potentially a NBA prospect. He can score at all three levels, finish above the rim and has the tools to be a very good defender. The UCLA commit, however, has a long way to go in terms of playing the game the right way and fitting into a team scheme. He does a lot of things that may earn him a very short leash very quickly under head coach Steve Alford. With that said, if Paras is willing to put in the work and can find a way to think the game at a higher level and become more of a team player, he has a chance to be a high-level player in the Pac-12 and set himself up for a successful future beyond the college ranks., possibly in the NBA depending on how his skill-set evolves. Read full article COMMENTS TWEETS Tweets by @Im_Not_Kobe - Source: https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kobe-Paras-85175/ ©DraftExpress
 
TheRodster21 said:
I looked it up. Jonathan Givony and Mike Schmitz also wrote the draft express scouting report on Kobe paras. How accurate is it?
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That was 6 years ago when people were high on Paras.. Based on what I saw when he played for UP, Kobe is still the same player, probably even worse now. From potential NBA FRP to 3x3 player..
 
thatweirdguy said:
That was 6 years ago when people were high on Paras.. Based on what I saw when he played for UP, Kobe is still the same player, probably even worse now. From potential NBA FRP to 3x3 player..
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wasted potential tsktsk, the kid has a lot of distractions and got handlers with poor decision making skills, sayang, got all the potential and athleticism but his attitude, ego and poor decision making by him and his handlers screwed his nba chances
 
TheRodster21 said:
If Tim grows up in the states it’ll be interesting to see if he develops like his brother or if the physical training in the states turns him into something else
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If Tim plays basketball.

And learn the game of basketball in states.

Obviously he will have a different playstyle than Kai. Maybe better physicals.

If Tim will be better than Kai. Then it in not a bad news. In fact, It is a very good news.

But 15 years before that will happen. Lmao
 
I personally think that after Kai, Dalph Panopio is our best bet at a "pure" Filipino in the NBA.

tomcat said:
I think Caidic’s lateral quickness, ball handling and defense needs to improve if he was part if this generation for him to be offered a spot in an NBA ballclubs..
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I think the Triggerman could get into the NBA no sweat, if even Johnny Abarrientos was scouted (or so they say). I also have no issues with Jayson Castro and Terrence Romeo being NBA level, if players like Raul Neto and Campazzo could get in (Castro absolutely demolishes these 2 in terms of defense and speed). Even Arakji couldn't keep up with him, and the commentators kept saying he was a speedy guard.

I'm reading the scouting report on Kobe by Givony and I disagree on some things, like physicality being a weakness as well as being comfortable with the ball in his hands, if this is in reference to his dribbling.
 
Isn’t Caidic also 6’2? His only nba skill would be shooting, everything else would need to be better.
 
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There is a reason i thought of Christian, i was talking to a scout yesterday, about how the Philippine develops players and we're one in the same in observation, it comes down to getting the needed exposure environment at critical development years ( 13 to 18 years old) , essentially playing against bigger, more athletic players and older at those ages.. and literally year round. for like 7 years straight.

If kai did not spend the last 2 years at (16 to 18 yrs old ) exposed to bigger players in the US, do you think he would be the player he is now? Now Kai cause of his height can possbily get away with just getting that exposure at 16 yrs old.. but for forwards, wings and guards , i think it absolutely is not possible unless you get that exposure from like from 14 to 19 years old .. litterally if 19 yrs old (which age now of our high school graduates) is the 1st time you get constant exposure to bigger and more athletic players , it basically is game over .. too late.

essentially it is almost impossible
 
TheRodster21 said:
Strengths: -Has great size at over 7-feet tall
-Long arms -Very mobile for his size
-Excellent hands
-Versatile offensive player
-Shows decent footwork and post moves
-Makes turnaround jumpers with soft touch
-Can make a mid-range jump-shot.
Shows range out to the 3-point line
-Converted 85% of his free throws at the U17 World Championship
-Can attack slower centers from the mid-post off one or two dribbles
-Solid passer
-Very good timing as a shot-blocker

Weaknesses:
-Extremely frail. How much will his body fill out?
-Lacks the strength or toughness to take advantage of his size consistently inside the paint
-Struggles to establish deep post position. Shies away from contact
-Has a difficult time finishing when an opponent puts a body on him
-Rarely boxes out on defensive glass. Doesn't go out of his area for loose balls
-Very passive offensively. Doesn't call for the ball or show any real emotion
-Activity/effort level is average. Doesn't run the floor willingly. Looks a bit lazy/apathetic at times

Outlook: One of the most talented international prospects in the 1996 class. Extremely gifted 7-footer with tremendous versatility and an advanced offensive game for his age. Shows good timing defensively. Very productive at the junior level. Mental makeup is a bit of a question mark. Doesn't show great passion for the game. Sometimes looks like he's playing because he's tall and talented, not because he enjoys it. Still extremely young both age-wise and physically, so has plenty of time to continue to develop. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Zhou-Qi-61857/ ©DraftExpress

By Jonathan Givony

I mean some of those weaknesses still exist today
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This is what I said. Qi checks all the boxes and some, except for the mental aspect of the game. The love of it. He didnt do too badly in his NBA summer league games. At times he blocked a bunch in of games. But of course the NBA is much harder than the CBA. At least Haddadi stuck it out for 2 to 3 seasons and had significant backup minutes. I dont think Qi finished a whole season despite having above average blocking skills even in the NBA.
 
DAdmiral said:
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There is a reason i thought of Christian, i was talking to a scout yesterday, about how the Philippine develops players and we're one in the same in observation, it comes down to getting the needed exposure environment at critical development years ( 13 to 18 years old) , essentially playing against bigger, more athletic players and older at those ages.. and literally year round. for like 7 years straight.

If kai did not spend the last 2 years at (16 to 18 yrs old ) exposed to bigger players in the US, do you think he would be the player he is now? Now Kai cause of his height can possbily get away with just getting that exposure at 16 yrs old.. but for forwards, wings and guards , i think it absolutely is not possible unless you get that exposure from like from 14 to 19 years old .. litterally if 19 yrs old (which age now of our high school graduates) is the 1st time you get constant exposure to bigger and more athletic players , it basically is game over .. too late.

essentially it is almost impossible
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Yes, the better competition is part of the reason why foreign trained athletes do better. I remember reading Rafe Bartholemew's Pacific Rims wherein he said he believes Willie Miller couldve made the NBA if he was trained in the US and not here.
 
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