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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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CBS released 2 rounds 2 days ago

While reputable bleacherrport a week ago ( 2 rounds(

Stating someone is projected to be undrafted or 2nd round is not a mock lol. You have to have a complete list of 60 players. Cause if not who are you cutting from the 60 to make room for the 60 you will include. It's easy to claim a player is to be drafted without making a list of 60

Who knows how often Euro or German press mentions Ariel to be a 2nd round prospect. The NBL mentions it alot
It's senseless to count all of those instances he was mentioned as a draft prospect lol
 
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DAdmiral said:
CBS released 2 rounds 2 days ago

While reputable bleacherrport a week ago ( 2 rounds(

Stating someone is projected to be undrafted or 2nd round is not a mock lol. You have to have a complete list of 60 players. Cause if not who are you cutting from the 60 to make room for the 60 you will include. It's easy to claim a player is to be drafted without making a list of 60
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So...you are basically saying that these organizations (NBA Draft Room, ESPN Australia Australia, the Jump, and NBA Scouting Live) do not know what they are talking about and are talking bullshit? Sounds like you are mocking these mock drafts (pun intended)
 
Bonifacio said:
So...you are basically saying that these organizations (NBA Draft Room, ESPN Australia Australia, the Jump, and NBA Scouting Live) do not know what they are talking about and are talking bullshit? Sounds like you are mocking these mock drafts (pun intended)
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just like you when you mock the NBA for tapping info from respected and reputable sports outfits
 
Boni
Let's be clear merely mentioning a player will be drafted is not a mock draft.
A mock draft is a list of 1 to 60 of names to be drafted.

When they collate all mocks to arrive with a consensus mock draft , of course they don't count mere mentiones of a player being drafted. (They won't count the Jump report as a mock LOL). That s totally ridiculous and quite common sense.

I think you're smart to know that, that's quite obvious. To know the difference between a complete list from 1 to 60 mock from a mere.report that a player was cited as to be drafted..
There are hundreds of reports citing a player will be drafted every week. No one counts that
 
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Boni
Let's be clear merely mentioning a player will be drafted is not a mock draft.
A mock draft is a list of 1 to 60 of names to be drafted.

When they collate all mocks to arrive with a consensus mock draft , of course they don't count mere mentiones of a player being drafted. (They won't count the Jump report as a mock LOL). That s totally ridiculous and quite common sense.

I think you're smart to know that, that's quite obvious. To know the difference between a complete list from 1 to 60 mock from a mere.report that a player was cited as to be drafted..
There are hundreds of reports citing a player will be drafted every week. No one counts that
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Mock drafts include players all the way to 100. Some 2nd round picks were in the 80 to 90 range in mock drafts.
 
DAdmiral said:
Boni
Let's be clear merely mentioning a player will be drafted is not a mock draft.
A mock draft is a list of 1 to 60 of names to be drafted.

When they collate all mocks to arrive with a consensus mock draft , of course they don't count mere mentiones of a player being drafted. (They won't count the Jump report as a mock LOL). That s totally ridiculous and quite common sense.

I think you're smart to know that, that's quite obvious. To know the difference between a complete list from 1 to 60 mock from a mere.report that a player was cited as to be drafted..
There are hundreds of reports citing a player will be drafted every week. No one counts that
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I think you are missing my point here...all that I stated here is that at least 3 entities mentioned that Kai is projected as a second-round draft.....so it means that there are supposedly experts that think that he will be in the second-round draft....those are the facts.....you mentioned that putting Kai above Ariel is laughable.....well, ..not sure if it is laughable but there are supposedly experts think that Kai is actually better then Ariel......these are debatable and maybe not necessarily laughable.....please note that im not debating the definition of what constitutes a mock draft.....i'm more interested if the experts think that Kai can be in the second-round draft.

However, out of curiosity, do you think that projecting Kai as second round draft by these supposedly experts is bullshit? or do they carry some weight?
 
IPC said:
Actually. More combo forward than true big, ala Morris twins (sorry for using those cuckoos, couldn't find better examples). Sometimes from the perimeter, sometimes from inside.
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Our Gordon Hayward. :cool:
 
Jupitersa said:
PBA is going to be malding if they lose another big talent like Baltazar. It might be better for him experience wise to play overseas than to play in the PBA. He has what it takes compared to let's say, Carino with his Ability to play and defend as a 3. Leagues like T1 League, KBL or even the B-League would fit him.
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It is actually better for him. He will have the chance to play as a 3 or 4. Unlike in the PBA where he might be forced to play 5.
 
Bonifacio said:
I think you are missing my point here...all that I stated here is that at least 3 entities mentioned that Kai is projected as a second-round draft.....so it means that there are supposedly experts that think that he will be in the second-round draft....those are the facts.....you mentioned that putting Kai above Ariel is laughable.....well, ..not sure if it is laughable but there are supposedly experts think that Kai is actually better then Ariel......these are debatable and maybe not necessarily laughable.....please note that im not debating the definition of what constitutes a mock draft.....i'm more interested if the experts think that Kai can be in the second-round draft.

However, out of curiosity, do you think that projecting Kai as second round draft by these supposedly experts is bullshit? or do they carry some weight?
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look at the reliable ones

this are the top 2 sites that people read on about nba mock drafts

https://bleacherreport.com/article...-a-new-no-1-pick-and-full-2-round-predictions

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/inside...and-chet-holmgren-paolo-banchero-jabari-smith

and to add

https://www.tankathon.com/big_board
 
robert0326 said:
I think that some of argument of Quinito make sense.. I hope that the likes of Bolick, Adams and Greg should finish the conference first before leaving... PBA must solve this problem before it will be a normal trend in next couple of years... Some people here say wala ng kontrata eh.. But cmon!!! In a middle of the conference? I understand if they change teams just like Banchero because they still in the league.. But guys like Bolick, etc... eh they not just disrespect the team (Northport and TF deserves it anyway because they are farm teams) but they also disrespect the league as whole (Although deserve din nila).. PBA must impose a law for this.. For sure, many players will do that and for sure the league will be in trouble...
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https://www.spin.ph/basketball/pba/...roosevelt-adams-a793-20220120?ref=site_search

FORMER top rookie pick Roosevelt Adams has signified his intention to test the PBA market after declining the contract extension offered to him by Terrafirma.

Adams had an option to extend for a third year — his two-year contract expired on Dec.

And why would the argument makes sense? Why would Roosevelt Adams keep playing if his contract with the team is already expired? That's not disrespect to the team. Adams asked for $12-16k and Terrafirma came back with a $6k offer. That's just business. You saying "PBA must impose a law for this" but they already did. PBA's "5 year ban rule":

"On the other hand, a five-year ban from the PBA awaits players who refuse to suit up if ever the mother team does match another team’s offer, and does not grant a release."

What new, draconian rules do you want them to impose? Because obviously the 5 year ban rule is not working as they intended so far.
 
robert0326 said:
Pre.. my point here is PBA should imposed those players to finish the conference first before leaving and try other leagues.. In a middle of the conference eh aalis sila? Nadelay din kasi boss due to pandemic... Di ko kinakampihan PBA on this one but it make sense itong issue na... Jericho Cruz also in a same mix as those three we mentioned but Cruz and NLEX agreed to finish the conference first before he exploring other options.. Those three should talk first to the management and the league that i will finish the conference then we will leave for good..
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or the PBA teams could just offer a conference long contract, then renegotiate after the season, yeah the pandemic sucks but it is what it is
 
I find it odd na teams don't have provisions on player contracts on the length of it that can accommodate schedule changes for the conferences for the season. It's no ones fault the pandemic happened and messed up the schedules pero the last governors cup ended beyond Dec. Lack of foresight on their end. No contractual-based worker in any field should render work without a signed contract, ano yan kawanggawa? Can't blame basketball players for looking out for themselves, at the end of the day their careers will only last as their last game, whether that be 15 years or 1 month. The league should really reconsider how their whole system works, as clearly they will really have a hard time competing with keeping local talents exploring other asian leagues the next 3-5 years. At the end of the day the whole thing is a business, both for owners and players, as long as everything is legal it should be respected, bitawan man ng team o alisan sila ng player
 
kukikups said:
I find it odd na teams don't have provisions on player contracts on the length of it that can accommodate schedule changes for the conferences for the season. It's no ones fault the pandemic happened and messed up the schedules pero the last governors cup ended beyond Dec. Lack of foresight on their end. No contractual-based worker in any field should render work without a signed contract, ano yan kawanggawa? Can't blame basketball players for looking out for themselves, at the end of the day their careers will only last as their last game, whether that be 15 years or 1 month. The league should really reconsider how their whole system works, as clearly they will really have a hard time competing with keeping local talents exploring other asian leagues the next 3-5 years. At the end of the day the whole thing is a business, both for owners and players, as long as everything is legal it should be respected, bitawan man ng team o alisan sila ng player
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and if worse comes to worse, who would shoulder the insurance premiums/medical cost if a player gets injured, legally the team is not liable since the contract is already expired..They really need to revisit the CBA to avoid this types of situations
 
robert0326 said:
Pre.. my point here is PBA should imposed those players to finish the conference first before leaving and try other leagues.. In a middle of the conference eh aalis sila? Nadelay din kasi boss due to pandemic... Di ko kinakampihan PBA on this one but it make sense itong issue na... Jericho Cruz also in a same mix as those three we mentioned but Cruz and NLEX agreed to finish the conference first before he exploring other options.. Those three should talk first to the management and the league that i will finish the conference then we will leave for good.. And also wag natin igaya sarili natin sa NBA.. PBA is different from the NBA.. PBA's mistake here is they didn't impose a rule that players should finish the season before negotiating.. What if pala your contract will expire this month but your team is in the finals and playing? What will be your opinion here? Kasi sabi mo business eh... Do you agree that your player will not play in the finals because No contract obligations? Ang weird nun pre... Ako pre i don't agree what Quinito says but on this case, he has the point.. Players should respect also their profession.. Tapusin muna nila ang conference na to before decide what will be their move next... Why Cruz respect his team and the league? He agrees to finish this conference muna for delicadeza...
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This is Perafirma we're talking about here. Did they showed delicadeza when they gift wrapped Perez and co to SMC? They'll do the same to Adams in a heartbeat once they agree with his selling price.. at the end of the day it's still a business to both parties. They're just mad because they weren't able to recover their investment on him. It's the same with NP. These farm teams will keep losing their disgruntled top players because let's face it everyone knows their MO. And these players now have the option of playing abroad.
 
CoJ said:
and if worse comes to worse, who would shoulder the insurance premiums/medical cost if a player gets injured, legally the team is not liable since the contract is already expired..They really need to revisit the CBA to avoid this types of situations
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I doubt may HMO covarage nga mga players (well baka players lng, wlang dependents). I don't think PBA has a CBA. Dipa naman ata bumalik ang pba players union. Alam ko lang the teams have a standard uniform contract they supposedly abide to when they sign players. They probably have a team salary cap that most likely isn't enforced (hello smc, mpv teams), kaya kahit may cap ang player salaries alang epekto. Useless pa rin ang free agency in a general sense for the league.
 
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