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mathematicianrcg2
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If ever Kai will be in Nets.
I expect less touches from him becaue of Kyrie, Harden, and KD.
But atleast he could be a rotational player. Especially Their Bigs are aging
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If ever Kai will be in Nets.
I expect less touches from him becaue of Kyrie, Harden, and KD.
But atleast he could be a rotational player. Especially Their Bigs are aging
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tomcat2
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Is basketball not the same in my province and in NZ? I only play pickup games everyweek prior to the pandemic.lol I played since 10. Played against commercial players sometimes in mini local tournaments. I know a good player when i see one.
You are really confident in your basketball talent, I wonder who’ll win if you and your band play basketball against Analyzed’s basketball team including his son Jordan. And you said that you can tell if a player is good when you see one but I wonder if you have trained or produced a player good enough to play in UAAP or NCAA..
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PeeZones2
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You are really confident in your basketball talent, I wonder who’ll win if you and your band play basketball against Analyzed’s basketball team including his son Jordan. And you said that you can tell if a player is good when you see one but I wonder if you have trained or produced a player good enough to play in UAAP or NCAA..
I didnt say I was a good player.lol i just always play before and I know the skills of a good player. Yun lang yun.lol
So dpat at least UAAP level or NCAA then what if givony doesnt really play bball? What do you make of him?
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CoJ2
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is this the Givony you guys are talking about?, i rather trust this guy's assesment rather some random dude online imho
https://espnpressroom.com/us/bios/jonathan-givony/
Jonathan Givony is an NBA Draft expert and the founder and co-owner of DraftExpress.com, a private scouting and analytics service utilized by NBA, NCAA and International teams. Givony joined ESPN in July of 2017 to spearhead ESPN’s NBA Draft and international basketball coverage.
Prior to ESPN, Givony founded DraftExpress.com (2003-2017), which was regarded as the industry leader for all info revolving the NBA Draft. He has covered the NBA Draft on a year-round, full-time basis since 2003, attending virtually every major tournament, camp, workout, Combine or other type of gathering featuring present or future NBA prospects, whether in the US or worldwide. He has a deep stable of global contacts in his network from the NBA, college, international and high school due to his nearly twenty years in the business.
He previously wrote for the Vertical under Yahoo! Sports, and has had bylines in the New York Times, Grantland, Sports Illustrated, NBA.com and other outlets.
https://espnpressroom.com/us/bios/jonathan-givony/
Jonathan Givony is an NBA Draft expert and the founder and co-owner of DraftExpress.com, a private scouting and analytics service utilized by NBA, NCAA and International teams. Givony joined ESPN in July of 2017 to spearhead ESPN’s NBA Draft and international basketball coverage.
Prior to ESPN, Givony founded DraftExpress.com (2003-2017), which was regarded as the industry leader for all info revolving the NBA Draft. He has covered the NBA Draft on a year-round, full-time basis since 2003, attending virtually every major tournament, camp, workout, Combine or other type of gathering featuring present or future NBA prospects, whether in the US or worldwide. He has a deep stable of global contacts in his network from the NBA, college, international and high school due to his nearly twenty years in the business.
He previously wrote for the Vertical under Yahoo! Sports, and has had bylines in the New York Times, Grantland, Sports Illustrated, NBA.com and other outlets.
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PeeZones2
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is this the Givony you guys are talking about?, i rather trust this guy's assesment rather some random dude online imho
https://espnpressroom.com/us/bios/jonathan-givony/
Jonathan Givony is an NBA Draft expert and the founder and co-owner of DraftExpress.com, a private scouting and analytics service utilized by NBA, NCAA and International teams. Givony joined ESPN in July of 2017 to spearhead ESPN’s NBA Draft and international basketball coverage.
Prior to ESPN, Givony founded DraftExpress.com (2003-2017), which was regarded as the industry leader for all info revolving the NBA Draft. He has covered the NBA Draft on a year-round, full-time basis since 2003, attending virtually every major tournament, camp, workout, Combine or other type of gathering featuring present or future NBA prospects, whether in the US or worldwide. He has a deep stable of global contacts in his network from the NBA, college, international and high school due to his nearly twenty years in the business.
He previously wrote for the Vertical under Yahoo! Sports, and has had bylines in the New York Times, Grantland, Sports Illustrated, NBA.com and other outlets.
We were just questioning why he cant appreciate skills and has penchant for athleticism. It is like Kevin Iole of yahoo, he was Pacquiao's greatest critic and he was leaning to mexicans etc. He was eating his words majority of the time and his credentials were also questioned countless times on the internet.
Writers and real scouts were different entities. Givony will always glorify stromile swift, biyombo and mo bamba. He will forever miss on a jokic, vucevic and countless skilled less athletic prospect.lol
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mathematicianrcg2
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Denver might be the more ideal place for kai. Their system is good for players of kai's type. Plus kai will be learning a lot from jokic while they're working on his physique and sharpening his skills
So Kai will be a backup of Jokic in Kai's rookie year.
Maybe they can play alongside each otjer sometimes. If Kai prove he is better than Plumlee
Plumlee
Kai
Bol Bol
Porter Jr
Jokic
Imagine that tall Lineup. Probably not gonna happen. Lol
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CoJ2
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So Kai will be a backup of Jokic in Kai's rookie year.
Maybe they can play alongside each otjer sometimes. If Kai prove he is better than Plumlee
Plumlee
Kai
Bol Bol
Porter Jr
Jokic
Imagine that tall Lineup. Probably not gonna happen. Lol
more like the backup of Jokic's backup, which is not bad, considering his age
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jasper2222
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Teddy Atlas is also a respected boxing coach and pundit. He has been wrong about Pacquiao up until the Juan Manuel Marquez 4 fight. He's definitely more learned in boxing than the common person, yet here we are.is this the Givony you guys are talking about?, i rather trust this guy's assesment rather some random dude online imho
https://espnpressroom.com/us/bios/jonathan-givony/
Jonathan Givony is an NBA Draft expert and the founder and co-owner of DraftExpress.com, a private scouting and analytics service utilized by NBA, NCAA and International teams. Givony joined ESPN in July of 2017 to spearhead ESPN’s NBA Draft and international basketball coverage.
Prior to ESPN, Givony founded DraftExpress.com (2003-2017), which was regarded as the industry leader for all info revolving the NBA Draft. He has covered the NBA Draft on a year-round, full-time basis since 2003, attending virtually every major tournament, camp, workout, Combine or other type of gathering featuring present or future NBA prospects, whether in the US or worldwide. He has a deep stable of global contacts in his network from the NBA, college, international and high school due to his nearly twenty years in the business.
He previously wrote for the Vertical under Yahoo! Sports, and has had bylines in the New York Times, Grantland, Sports Illustrated, NBA.com and other outlets.
Just because he has accolades in the industry, doesn't mean he can't be wrong, or that he can't be disagreed with.
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thatweirdguy2
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Quite weird you answered when i was asking someone else and when you were asked, you won't
Which question? I was replying to jasper222
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thatweirdguy2
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Draftezpress wqe legit back in the early 2010s, more detailed and informative than most sites. Givony does have his biases though with some prospects
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tomcat2
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I didnt say I was a good player.lol i just always play before and I know the skills of a good player. Yun lang yun.lol
So dpat at least UAAP level or NCAA then what if givony doesnt really play bball? What do you make of him?
Just a question, do you think you are the only one here who always play basketball before and knows the skills of a good basketball player? You also stated that you can tell a good basketball player when you see one, why not start developing youths in your place or town and maybe they can reach UAAP level in basketball. Don’t be just a judge(can tell a good player if you see one)but a person who developed that good basketball player..
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DAdmiral2
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I hope people appreciate both the coaching and player trade, training 2 times a day , almost everyday for like 7 years straight , coaching actual games whether they be a premiere high school or college level, or being exposed to FIBA preperation , doesn't just happen .. with not gaining significant insight into the game.
I'm not saying those who have this experience have exclusive knowledge of the game and can't be wrong .. while others outside don't know anything.. but certainly those who have actual experience first hand have a different perspective not available for those who don't have the experience.
Its like any trade in life.. experience and exposure matters
I'm not saying those who have this experience have exclusive knowledge of the game and can't be wrong .. while others outside don't know anything.. but certainly those who have actual experience first hand have a different perspective not available for those who don't have the experience.
Its like any trade in life.. experience and exposure matters
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JoeDumars2
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I hope people appreciate both the coaching and player trade, training 2 times a day , almost everyday for like 7 years straight , coaching actual games whether they be a premiere high school or college level, or being exposed to FIBA preperation , doesn't just happen .. with not gaining significant insight into the game.
I'm not saying those who have this experience have exclusive knowledge of the game and can't be wrong .. while others outside don't know anything.. but certainly those who have actual experience first hand have a different perspective not available for those who don't have the experience.
Its like any trade in life.. experience and exposure matters
You don't have this credential : SELF CONFIDENCE
This guy PeeZones has lots and lots of it
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JoeDumars2
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it's fine to disagree/ differ in opinion with Givony w/ respect to Kai but to suddenly say/conclude he is NOT AN EXPERT in his Field of Specialisation and trash his Body of Work just because he failed to include your-our favorite player in the mock draft is just lame and ridiculous. I get it some here are disappointed in Givony's mock draft but to declare that Givony NOT AN EXPERT and then question his credibility or ask for his basketball/playing credentials ( as if this is a requisite) and what not is laughable...
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CoJ2
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Draftezpress wqe legit back in the early 2010s, more detailed and informative than most sites. Givony does have his biases though with some prospects
same with random posters on the internet, who are blinded by their homerisms/fandom
random internet dudes could also be right or wrong in their assessment of talent
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CoJ2
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Teddy Atlas is also a respected boxing coach and pundit. He has been wrong about Pacquiao up until the Juan Manuel Marquez 4 fight. He's definitely more learned in boxing than the common person, yet here we are.
Just because he has accolades in the industry, doesn't mean he can't be wrong, or that he can't be disagreed with.
same with random internet dudes, they could be right or wrong as well, but what makes experts much credible would be their years of experience and the manner of which they analyze stuff.
no different from a phd holder/md holder and a random internet dude who got his knowledge from google search
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thatweirdguy2
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same with random posters on the internet, who are blinded by their homerisms/fandom
random internet dudes could also be right or wrong in their assessment of talent
Agree. But that guy makes his living scouting prospects so his words has more weight IMO. Majority of randoms like us never even played college ball. Besides what do we have to lose if Kai isn't drafted in the lottery?
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PeeZones2
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You could all cling your assessments with Givony and it is your choice. The fact remains that he is most likely doesnt play bball and he has a penchant for athleticism. He has a hard time evaluating skills but rely on statsheet for it.
You should also do self evaluation when you all trying to label those who appreciate kai's skills as pinoy baiting.lol Stick with your preferences and we will stick with ours. In the end, Givony's assessment isn't absolute and if it were consensus comment by real NBA personnels then I would be worried. He is just one writer like skip bayless or quinito henson. I dont base my opinion on anyone. I will formulate my own opinion.lol
You should also do self evaluation when you all trying to label those who appreciate kai's skills as pinoy baiting.lol Stick with your preferences and we will stick with ours. In the end, Givony's assessment isn't absolute and if it were consensus comment by real NBA personnels then I would be worried. He is just one writer like skip bayless or quinito henson. I dont base my opinion on anyone. I will formulate my own opinion.lol
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JoeDumars2
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RE: GIVONY DEBATE
XXX"How can you technically be good in evaluating talent if you havent played the game?lol your take would just be mere assumptions. That is why soldiers train before going to war. If they are battle tested, they become elites and veterans. Would you let your mayor or politician lead you to battle and not a general?lol"XXX - from Astigram
brilliant reasoning ! coming from someone who accepts as true and propagates PeeZones' evaluations/well researched scouting report/ top of the line basketball analysis/ and high quality tale of the tape Kai vs X player comparisons.
PeeZone Basketball Credentials (straight from the horse’s mouth) :
“I only play pickup games everyweek prior to the pandemic.lol I played since 10. Played against commercial players sometimes in mini local tournaments. I know a good player when i see one."
"I didnt say I was a good player.lol i just always play before and I know the skills of a good player. Yun lang yun.lol"
XXX"How can you technically be good in evaluating talent if you havent played the game?lol your take would just be mere assumptions. That is why soldiers train before going to war. If they are battle tested, they become elites and veterans. Would you let your mayor or politician lead you to battle and not a general?lol"XXX - from Astigram
brilliant reasoning ! coming from someone who accepts as true and propagates PeeZones' evaluations/well researched scouting report/ top of the line basketball analysis/ and high quality tale of the tape Kai vs X player comparisons.
PeeZone Basketball Credentials (straight from the horse’s mouth) :
“I only play pickup games everyweek prior to the pandemic.lol I played since 10. Played against commercial players sometimes in mini local tournaments. I know a good player when i see one."
"I didnt say I was a good player.lol i just always play before and I know the skills of a good player. Yun lang yun.lol"
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mathematicianrcg2
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They're slowly recognising kai's athleticism. Older scouting reports were probably based on his older clips and Kai has constantly been improving. I agree with the need to improve on his defense. Need to improve on his strength, i think that's common with kids his age. Kai will eventually get there. I'm not sure what was meant by improve on his passing ability because obviously, he has that. If that meant work on the accuracy so to limit turnovers, i see that but i think that's also common among young players even if they're guards. Face up game, yeah and i think that's more on because his dribbling skills is still a work in progress. Is kai passive on offense? I won't call him being passive. It's actually one of his positives, he's a team player. He looks to involve his team mates and that's not being passive. Kai sees the defence and reads it. It's either he creates for himself or for a team mate or pass up for another play to develop. Kai is unlike most prospects, Kai needs touches but not necessarily a lot of attempts.
Hmmmm. There is a thin line seperating
Aggresive and Ballhog
Also thin line seperating
Passive and Unselfish.
Anyway, Kai is more of a Team Player. Hope Scouts notice that.
I am sure some nba teams are intetested in Kai Sotto as of this moment.
And if Kai is invuted and participated in combine. There will probably more teams noticing him