Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[DAdmiral2]

The Philippines needs more quality players who play well without the ball.
Which is difficult to develop in the Philippines. As how can you be recognized if your not a star. And how can you get the relevant exposure vs size off the ball

 

[IPC2]

Really to Kai's credit at a young age he's shown how to still be effective without the ball and plays for him .

It's excellent exposure for Kai to develop without being the main man . And rely on one on one iso. This to me is the problem.with the one and one centric Philippine basketball. You look.at Thirdy.. he's Mano o Mano centric developed.. so with Kobe

It becomes worst if you can dominate down low with your height advantage. Other parts of one's game are not developed

The Philippines needs more quality players who play well without the ball.
Which is difficult to develop in the Philippines. As how can you be recognized if your not a star. And how can you get the relevant exposure vs size off the ball

When you play against imports, because they're about the only ones that can provide a team with the necessary size. Not just at the 5 position. Even the PF and SF positions as well, but we have developed taller wings.

But, we're behind in a lot of things. Small ball, positionless ball, off-ball players, rim runners. Reasons 1 and 2 are reasons why we continue to produce 6'1"-6'3" SFs, 6'3"-6'5" traditional PFs, and 6'5"-6'8" centers who cannot play PF.

Now, Dwight can play off-ball and guard the perimeter positions. Kiefer can play off-ball as well. Kai, right now, is trying to run the rim.

As for off-ball, it's really tough to find a homegrown player who can really operate without the ball, and shoot off the catch, and sometimes off the catch and off the move. I look at Paul Lee and Jeff Chan, and that's it.

 

[thatweirdguy2]

ZHOU QI, he has all the package that suits Kai's ceiling - tall, smart, and a tenacious defender.

porzingis is too athletic, a shooter from the perimeter to follow by kai.

jokic is deceptively strong.

gobert is a defensive bigman which kai is not.

kai has a higher ceiling than haddadi. too slow compare to kai.

kai is already better than japeth at this point and at age 19. playing in the nbl and actually having an actual playing time is a mean feat to every pinoy cagers. the only player that i believe that has mean feat that is comparable to kai is rayray parks during his texas legend stint in the G-League.

He doesn't have Qi's, Porzingis and Gobert's measurables. Doesn't have the quickness and explosiveness, timing and instincts to be the same shot blocking machine. Porzingis and Zhou Qi gets ridiculed here a lot but it would really help Kai if he could somehow get their shooting.

Haddadi and Jokic are super strong and really good on the block. I doubt Kai will ever get that strong.

Gobert is the centrepiece of the Jazz defence. I have a hard time seeing Kai anchoring a perennial playoff team's defence especially after yesterday's game. But filling in a Javale McGee role is doable. But he really needs to improve his conditioning and speed first. If he can't even compete with NBL level "athletes" who some here think are soft and slow, how is he going to run with NBA players who are the best in the world.

 

[tomcat2]

More importantly his team got the win. The game was already over when Kai got inserted in the 4th and got his 4 points..

Kai sub-in at the 7:46 mark of the 4th quarter when Melbourne made a 8-0 run. Kai slowly is earning Coach CJ's trust. And also Kai has a good BPM in this game..

 

[tomcat2]

When you play against imports, because they're about the only ones that can provide a team with the necessary size. Not just at the 5 position. Even the PF and SF positions as well, but we have developed taller wings.

But, we're behind in a lot of things. Small ball, positionless ball, off-ball players, rim runners. Reasons 1 and 2 are reasons why we continue to produce 6'1"-6'3" SFs, 6'3"-6'5" traditional PFs, and 6'5"-6'8" centers who cannot play PF.

Now, Dwight can play off-ball and guard the perimeter positions. Kiefer can play off-ball as well. Kai, right now, is trying to run the rim.

As for off-ball, it's really tough to find a homegrown player who can really operate without the ball, and shoot off the catch, and sometimes off the catch and off the move. I look at Paul Lee and Jeff Chan, and that's it.

Rhenz Abando..

 

[tomcat2]

So who's better Kobe or Chris Ellis? LOL

or KG Cañaleta..

 

[IPC2]

He doesn't have Qi's, Porzingis and Gobert's measurables. Doesn't have the quickness and explosiveness, timing and instincts to be the same shot blocking machine. Porzingis and Zhou Qi gets ridiculed here a lot but it would really help Kai if he could somehow get their shooting.

Haddadi and Jokic are super strong and really good on the block. I doubt Kai will ever get that strong.

Gobert is the centrepiece of the Jazz defence. I have a hard time seeing Kai anchoring a perennial playoff team's defence especially after yesterday's game. But filling in a Javale McGee role is doable. But he really needs to improve his conditioning and speed first. If he can't even compete with NBL level "athletes" who some here think are soft and slow, how is he going to run with NBA players who are the best in the world.

Actually, I heard that McGee also had problems with fatigue, which is why he was a limited-minutes player. Kai could be like that. But yeah, he still needs to improve his conditioning, something he should have done while in hiatus.

At least the 36ers will keep him straight, if he lets them.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

That's close to how Joakim Noah operated on offense. He passed from the high post, was a PnR operator, and a great offensive rebounder. The difference is, Noah could guard more players, and had a better motor, but that's beside the point. A Joakim Noah-type could be a feasible target for Kai.

Kai is better facing the basket, not from the post.

Kai's post game will be there always. It is natural for him. It is useful in mismatches situations. And one of his strength is his post playmaking. Apparently it will be useful on Gilas since they are posting Kai under Coach tab's system.

Right now in Adelaide where he is not given post plays. The only time his teammates will pass to him is via roll, or cut under the rim. 2/3 dunks of Kai came from this.

Kai getting 8 or 9 boards in this physical league is a nice thing for Kai. Thru rebounds, he can also have a lot of putbacks and follow up dunks. That way he can get attempts even if he is not getting the ball that much in o
Set plays

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Kobe maybe would be a late bloomer in mental strength. You know just like Japeth when he was young.

Maybe he could get himself going in pba. As long as he will not be forced to be a center in the team. Lol.

Yeah Nlex under Coach yeng will benefit him. Just like it is benefitting Oftana.

And speaking of, Oftana is a less less gifted athlete than Kobe. But I will take Calvin Oftana over Kobe Paras at this time

 

[IPC2]

Kai's post game will be there always. It is natural for him. It is useful in mismatches situations. And one of his strength is his post playmaking. Apparently it will be useful on Gilas since they are posting Kai under Coach tab's system.

Right now in Adelaide where he is not given post plays. The only time his teammates will pass to him is via roll, or cut under the rim. 2/3 dunks of Kai came from this.

Kai getting 8 or 9 boards in this physical league is a nice thing for Kai. Thru rebounds, he can also have a lot of putbacks and follow up dunks. That way he can get attempts even if he is not getting the ball that much in o
Set plays

The post game will be developed as Kai gets stronger and he gets his touch back, hopefully. He can be a main option for Gilas operating as a post guy or as a rim runner. But right now, he did better in putbacks, PnR, and driving from the high post, even in Gilas.

But yes, I hope he does get more touches so he can establish his threat, especially with Gilas. With Adelaide and elsewhere, just run the rim, be there for the dunk, and rebound. That's the efficient way for him right now, and a great way to impact the game. If he dunks off a lob, a drop-off, or a putback, that's a hell of an energizer.

And like I said earlier, it helps that he has space to run to the basket, thanks to good spacing. Less threats to guard him once he gets to the rim off the PnR.

 

[PeeZones2]

Just to add with the Hukporti debate he will never develop an outside shot especially in 3points and I won't bank on him shooting midrange jumpers. Also, ball-handling skills would always be limited hence the very limited upside.haha Too many of his size and same offerings. He is an old-school big and hustle player. Ordinary and too many, unless he will be an elite defender but he can't even stop Kai on that putback dunk.lol Paano na si Hukporti impossible maging modern BIG and magka3points?hahaha sobrang important pa naman yan sa iba.hehe

Kai's target is to be an NBA ALLSTAR and best of ASIA.haha He has proven it for his age bracket by winning u16 asia-oceana MVP. He will grind for that NBA all-star but you are all free to be naysayers it is a free world after all.

 

[ja.he2]

He doesn't have Qi's, Porzingis and Gobert's measurables. Doesn't have the quickness and explosiveness, timing and instincts to be the same shot blocking machine. Porzingis and Zhou Qi gets ridiculed here a lot but it would really help Kai if he could somehow get their shooting.

Haddadi and Jokic are super strong and really good on the block. I doubt Kai will ever get that strong.

Gobert is the centrepiece of the Jazz defence. I have a hard time seeing Kai anchoring a perennial playoff team's defence especially after yesterday's game. But filling in a Javale McGee role is doable. But he really needs to improve his conditioning and speed first. If he can't even compete with NBL level "athletes" who some here think are soft and slow, how is he going to run with NBA players who are the best in the world.

well, then count me out there. i have regard with zhou qi's game. i wish kai would end up like zhou qi but let's see.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

The post game will be developed as Kai gets stronger and he gets his touch back, hopefully. He can be a main option for Gilas operating as a post guy or as a rim runner. But right now, he did better in putbacks, PnR, and driving from the high post, even in Gilas.

But yes, I hope he does get more touches so he can establish his threat, especially with Gilas. With Adelaide and elsewhere, just run the rim, be there for the dunk, and rebound. That's the efficient way for him right now, and a great way to impact the game. If he dunks off a lob, a drop-off, or a putback, that's a hell of an energizer.

And like I said earlier, it helps that he has space to run to the basket, thanks to good spacing. Less threats to guard him once he gets to the rim off the PnR.

Yep. I guess little by little, Kai will get the trust of his teammates in pnr. Right now, the only player who are passing to him is Mitch. Literally all assisted baskets by Kai this season so far came from Mitch.

I hope Mitch and Kai's connection will be better as game goes by.

I hope Kai will get passes even only in drop offs, pnr roll, or alley hoops. (Btw, Adelaide guards looks like not used to lobbing the ball to their bigs,but I hope they can and would)

 

[ja.he2]

Yep. I guess little by little, Kai will get the trust of his teammates in pnr. Right now, the only player who are passing to him is Mitch. Literally all assisted baskets by Kai this season so far came from Mitch.

I hope Mitch and Kai's connection will be better as game goes by.

I hope Kai will get passes even only in drop offs, pnr roll, or alley hoops. (Btw, Adelaide guards looks like not used to lobbing the ball to their bigs,but I hope they can and would)

yeah, mitch mccarron, the boomer.

 

[greenarcher2]

Just to add with the Hukporti debate he will never develop an outside shot especially in 3points and I won't bank on him shooting midrange jumpers. Also, ball-handling skills would always be limited hence the very limited upside.haha Too many of his size and same offerings. He is an old-school big and hustle player. Ordinary and too many, unless he will be an elite defender but he can't even stop Kai on that putback dunk.lol Paano na si Hukporti impossible maging modern BIG and magka3points?hahaha sobrang important pa naman yan sa iba.hehe

Kai's target is to be an NBA ALLSTAR and best of ASIA.haha He has proven it for his age bracket by winning u16 asia-oceana MVP. He will grind for that NBA all-star but you are all free to be naysayers it is a free world after all.

Somebody screenshot this for future reference.

 

[PeeZones2]

Somebody screenshot this for future reference.

Dami ko ng screenshot dito.lol It is either I'll hit the lottery or fail miserably.lol haven't changed tune since Kai was 15 when he was u16 MVP. FYI that NBA ALLSTAR target was mentioned by Kai himself. I set the bar too high for Kai.lol If you don't share the same it is a free world.

lakas ninyung manghimud at manghype ng prospect ng ibang countries.lol pero pagsi Kai dapat LEBRON LEVEL performance as a 19yr old.haha Hukporti walang 3points impossible maging modern big.lol

 

[Jupitersa2]

Kobe's combined stat on these weekend games:

0 pts, 2 rebs, 1ast, 4 stls, 0/9 FG on 35 mins of playing time... That's just bad... even Matthew Aquino scored more points than Kobe in just 4 mins of playing time.

He also had a bad fall at the end of the 3rd. I do hope Kobe is okay and comes back better. He's in a very bad funk. His last double digit game is way back on mid-November.

 

[Juan Lun2]

well, then count me out there. i have regard with zhou qi's game. i wish kai would end up like zhou qi but let's see.

Agree, I think Zhou Qi's is not in the NBA because he lacks the strength, the same weakness we are seeing in Kai. Realistically in what Kai is showing he is in pace to be as good as Zhou Qi in 4 to 5 years.

 

[Juan Lun2]

Kobe's combined stat on these weekend games:

0 pts, 2 rebs, 1ast, 4 stls, 0/9 FG on 35 mins of playing time... That's just bad... even Matthew Aquino scored more points than Kobe in just 4 mins of playing time.

He also had a bad fall at the end of the 3rd. I do hope Kobe is okay and comes back better. He's in a very bad funk. His last double digit game is way back on mid-November.

seems Kobe is really distracted, probably confidence issue right now

 

[CoJ2]

What a turnaround for him. From always gigil to barely trying.. anyway I hope someone like Yeng drafts him. Someone needs to light a fire under his @ss. Otherwise he'll be contented with just signing contracts and giving the bare minimum. I don't see him dominating the PBA with his current mindset to be honest.

can he survive Yeng's cursing? it seems that Kobe's mental health is too fragile right now.
-i remember his UAAP stint, he was suppose to dominate that age-group, he had respectable numbers but folded in the semis when UST and Ayo exposed Bo Perasol's defense schemes