Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[PeeZones2]

To be precise, what he said in the interview was that they signed Kai believing “he’d be better”, and that they have “modest expectations” of him owing to the fact he’s still young. That should tell us how they plan to develop Kai. This isn’t a bad thing for him. It is a solid development plan addressing Kai’s physical weaknesses on the fly, weaknesses that would only be accentuated by the brute and physical nature of Aussie basketball.

I think the GM didnt really bother to watch the 3rd window games because he was saying that it is below NBL's level. He fail to mentioned Kardo and prosper who could be allstar level in the NBL. Kardo has the highest ppg or the most efficient last fiba world cup. I have checked NBL bigs and majority arent as imposing than what Kai had faced with Gilas. Maybe he was thinking that it would be more difficult for a 19yr old big to play in the NBL than for guards. I think he will be surprise to see Kai in person. Kai is way bigger than his ignite body and he had proven himself with his Gilas stint.

@astigram i think it is uncommon for asians to produce next star level players and Kai was the first to really fit that category. I think kai is way better than all next star signees and Hukporti would be near or at par with Kai. I see Hukporti as a bit lesser than Petrusev.

 

[NOiNU2]

I think the GM didnt really bother to watch the 3rd window games because he was saying that it is below NBL's level. He fail to mentioned Kardo and prosper who could be allstar level in the NBL. Kardo has the highest ppg or the most efficient last fiba world cup. I have checked NBL bigs and majority arent as imposing than what Kai faced with Gilas. I think he was thinking that it would be more difficult for a 19yr old big to play in the NBL than for guards. I think he will be surprise to see Kai in person. Kai is way bigger than his ignite body and he had proven himself with his Gilas stint.

@astigram i think it is uncommon for asians to produce next star level players and Kai was the first to really fit that category. I think kai is way better than all next star signees and Hukporti would be near or at par with Kai. I see Hukporti as a bit lesser than Petrusev.

Kai did ok against them but it depends on who you ask. As a Kai superfanatic of course you would view it quite positively. But for a neutral fan, one could see the struggles that came along with it, esp on the physicality aspect. Prosper made it really difficult against Kai.

I hope we don’t continue to undermine the NBL bigs this time just so we feel good about Kai’s chances against them. Let us not underestimate these players by virtue of some watched clips. I’m also positive about Kai holding his own, esp on the latter part of the season. But undermining his potential matchups is really unnecessary. We are in fact putting a dent on Kai’s future performances by doing so as it’s practically saying he’s going up against a so so competition.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Kai has been assessed as a reserve player and developing . Period , that's not even debatable. Which isn't a bad thing really. And yes he can exceed expectations as many in the NBL have previously , even if they were not assessed as a marquee player when assigned. but actually played as one of not better throughout the seaaon
The MVP of the NZ Breakers last season , Delaney is Not a marquee player , but he certainly played as one .

 

[DAdmiral2]

Ok, he was, simply because you said so

Nope , it's part of the regulation process stated in the rules. you cannot determine who is a next star or not (max 1) or marques player or not (max 4) without 1st assessing all players signed . very simple requirement , that does not need to be spelled out.

 

[DAdmiral2]

"If a club signs a player from one of these countries (Asian select), they are exempt from the Salary Cap and are generally treated in the same way as a local player"

YES exactly Asian imports are treated as locals ( Aus and Kiwis) as far a the "marquee rule " is applied and counted ( not pay and they are exempted from the salary camp ) , this is confirmed and what was communicated by the Breakers when asked about the rules for Asian imports. An Asian import like Kai has to be assessed if he is a marquee player or not to determine if he should or not be counted in the maximum 4. this is the NBL safeguard from teams taking advantage a possible loophole in the rule .

There is a classification that is not counted towards both the salary cap and maquee player cap and that's next star. that the classfication designed for that.
if the Asian import didn't have those rules applied to them , then Asians would even have a favorable advantage over locals ( no salary cap and no marquee cap)

 

[DAdmiral2]

BTW Baba (an Asian import) at the start of last season was actually perceived to be more developed than Kai (currently) , he had G-league and extensive FIBA experience already. The safeguard of applying the marquee rule on Asian imports same as local has already been thought of , even before Kai has even played.

 

[tomcat2]

The National Basketball League (NBL) launched an innovative player development program to fast track future stars of the National Basketball Association (NBA). Under its ‘Next Stars’ program that was introduced in the 2018-19 season, the NBL contract overseas players and developed them in Australia to give them the best chance of being drafted into the NBA.

The Special Restricted Player rule allows NBL teams to sign up players from Asian countries as locals. Hence they do not count as imports in a team's roster.

So why settle for the Adelaide 36ers to get only a one young player to be develop and give him the best chance of being drafted into the NBA thru the next starts program if they can have two players to be developed and be drafted in the next NBA Draft and the other player is in the special restricted player category. Two world imports, two local marque players(Johnson and Humphries or McCarron)plus two potential NBA draftees(Sotto and King)could really help the Adelaide 36ers in terms of marketing and winning games..

 

[PeeZones2]

Kai did ok against them but it depends on who you ask. As a Kai superfanatic of course you would view it quite positively. But for a neutral fan, one could see the struggles that came along with it, esp on the physicality aspect. Prosper made it really difficult against Kai.

I hope we don’t continue to undermine the NBL bigs this time just so we feel good about Kai’s chances against them. Let us not underestimate these players by virtue of some watched clips. I’m also positive about Kai holding his own, esp on the latter part of the season. But undermining his potential matchups is really unnecessary. We are in fact putting a dent on Kai’s future performances by doing so as it’s practically saying he’s going up against a so so competition.

I havent seen a superathlete big or a super heavy strong big in the NBL. Kai's improve physique had done wonders and he could now hold his ground against those I mentioned. Majority of NBL bigs were just skilled and near Kai's build or just a bit bigger. There would be some who would stand out because they will be physically stronger than Kai. As long as they play Kai cleanly and dont hurt or intimidate Kai, he will be okay. Kai is way bigger and athletic than most NBL bigs.

Prosper really tried to intimidate Kai even in Miami prior to the 3rd window. I think a hard foul from Prosper would intimidate any body. Just a chop would linger for weeks.

My gauge were Kardo, Prosper, Petrusev, Bobi and Domrep's Araujo whose built is like NBL' s Nathan Jawaii.

I dont expect Kai to dominate every game but I think he will really have his moments. He will also be too disruptive on defensive and I prefer that he really plays C and partly as a 4 with Humphries.

 

[unstopaball122]

Well, he's a former player, and in a foreign league. Coach Jimmy Alapag now an NBA Summer League Champ with the Sacramento Kings. Hope this leads to a regular coaching gig in the NBA or G-League.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/spo...to-kings-claim-nba-summer-league-title/story/

https://www.rappler.com/sports/nba/jimmy-alapag-captures-summer-league-title-sacramento-kings

Hoping he gets hired as atleast a player development coach for the kings or an assistant coach for the gleague team of the kings.

 

[DAdmiral2]

The Special Restricted Player rule allows NBL teams to sign up players from Asian countries as locals. Hence they do not count as imports in a team's roster.

So why settle for the Adelaide 36ers to get only a one young player to be develop and give him the best chance of being drafted into the NBA thru the next starts program if they can have two players to be developed and be drafted in the next NBA Draft and the other player is in the special restricted player category. Two world imports, two local marque players(Johnson and Humphries or McCarron)plus two potential NBA draftees(Sotto and King)could really help the Adelaide 36ers in terms of marketing and winning games..

To answer your question you have to understand and appreciate the process of the steps for a next star player to 1st be signed up by the league (and they/NBL pay the player's contract), before assigning the player to a team.

So 1st King the other young player an Australian kiwi local was signed by the NBL to the next star last year , and was assigned to the Taipans

Next , Kai was signed 1st to the 36ers as an Asian import before King as a next star player was transferred assignment to the 36ers from the Taipans. So in short Kai could have been signed by the NBL as a next star player (there were at least 7 spots still available, for the 9 teams at the time ) BTW as expected EWP & 36ers actually asked that Kai be a next star for the significant advantages in free funding amount from the league, then Kai could have been assigned to the 36ers , cause King had not been transferred yet. That would make more sense for the 36ers financially, as they can use league money on Kai , supposedly bigger contract.

Then finally if they really want King a bench player avg 4 pts a game , he is a local anyway, just sign him as a local reserve , same equivalent as an Asian import who are treated as locals. His pay of $80k is small anyway.. like a local reserve.

Point is there are smarter and better financial ways for 36ers to arrive with same roster outcome. But as we know this is all moot , cause bottom line Kai did not qualify as a next star player as assessed by the NBL even after request. .
And of course he isn't a marquee player but a reserve (league had to asses Kai as "Non Marquee") , he could not sign as marquee player, cause the 4 max are already used by 36ers. (note max 4 marquee rules apply to Asian SRP who are treated as locals). Maybe next year , as Humphries contract expires

 

[DAdmiral2]

BTW the playing terms arrangement for the Next Star players (Lamelo) and the Asia ( Special restricted player ) are different. The next star is designed to be drafted for next NBA draft , as such Lamelo , RJ and Giddey all stopped playing ( to not risk injury) once their draft stock went up. This is part of the conditions of the next star arrangement , with the SRP you're essentially treated as a regular local recruit where you're expected to play every game to contribute to winning. (Baba example played all the to the final game championship , even if resting for Japan may be prudent)

the next star players ( who some are the highest paid like Lamelo, RJ ) are not actually the best players in the league for their "rookie" season, they are of course the best "young" players , you can also see why the Taipans let go of King (who was not producing) and reserve their next star spot for a better player

 

[DAdmiral2]

Happened fact, the 36ers and EWP asked for it (confirmed , it has been communicated to the network) both parties are incentivized and benefit to get the league to pay for Kai's salary.
BTW why would the 36ers be the only one bidding for a high profile player like Kai, FACT more teams were interested in Kai, i can confirm the NZ breakers were approached, head coach and Owner mismo were offered Kai as a prospect (this is what EWP and agents do) and asked if he could be a next star players 1st and if not look for under classifications (fact confirmed ) , why would the 36ers not look at the best financial way of signing Kai ( Next star) ? and why would the the 36ers be the only one looking at kai, and why would EWP only approach 36ers and not every team who could bid the highest essentially ?

Do not forget Kai was signed by 36ers before King moved and was tranferred to the 36ers, the next star program spot was open for the 36ers when they signed Kai, they didn't even need to consider King when they made the decision to use SRP on Kai rather than Next star . all teams will try Next star 1st if avaialble, which the 36ers did, but it's not their decision approval but the league that assessed Kai as not a next star level player

why would 36ers spend more? of course they would find ways of spending less for signing the same players. ( if the difference of Kai's salary with King is $200 K, that's a lot of money that can be used on other prospects to sign. (next star money is from the league)

 

[Trae Yong2]

Tang ina mo Kaziken umeepal ka nanaman Yellow Tae. Doon ka sa Kai nuthuggers thread na binago mo yung title you Faggot.

yuck dds kadiri ... mandarambong ng kaban ng bayan

 

[DAdmiral2]

You still think people will just buy your stories? No proof whatsoever. Puro laway mo lang. Why wouldn't the 36rs spend more lol perhaps they want a stronger team, perhaps it's also an investment (NBA buyout) lol

And they could do all that at a lot less $$ by simply signing Kai as part of the Next star program, there is absolutely no reason for the 36ere not to try the next star program to sign Kai. King was not even in the conversation at the time of signing Kai as he hasn't even been released by the Taipans.

well a lot of people here in IBN believe the story, as i shared with them when it was actually happening, Proof, hmm. let me see how i can do this without divulging privacy, I'll share screen shots of EWP conversations and NBL head coach with specific individuals that i trust here in IBN who knew it was happening when it was in the works , they will tell you when they see it.

2nd the proof is in this, there isn't a single NBL team when offered the opportunity to use the next star sign sign up by the league on a player that has ever refused or not opted to use it. there is absolutely no sense not to use free money ( over $ 500k annually) to sign player if that option is available. It was available for the 36ers to use on Kai ( if he qualified of course)

 

[TheNatural72]

Ayt. So I haven't posted here in a while, but y'all something else.

I'm just going to address one point. The Kai thing legitimately happened. I have seen the receipts in DAdmiral's conversations with the NZ front office about Kai. Kai was aggressively offered as a Next Star and EWP had knowledge of this. The fit wasn't there. Kai wasn't the only Filipino offered to the NBL, but he was the only one offered as a Next Star. I should know as I assisted in one of them that was rejected by the Breakers and I'm currently looking to at the possibility of a former college FSA playing at the NBL1 level. People here really just run their mouth not knowing shit to fit their own agenda smh.

 

[NOiNU2]

Of course, the alternicks will have to post.

I don’t think he’s an alternick. Just give analyzed the benefit of the doubt, take his words with a grain of salt, if you may. Maybe that way he’d finally stop singing that same old tune. The more you contest it, the more reasons he’ll have to bring it up.

Let me reiterate, there’s nothing wrong with Kai not being a marquee player or a Next Star sign up. It is just a PERCEIVED value by the NBL. His real, actual value we shall see as the season progresses. We just have to live with the fact that not everyone sees Kai as highly as some of us do. The 36ers already promised to take good care of Kai as a developmental piece of the roster moving forward. Let Kai and his body of work do the talking.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Of course, the alternicks will have to post. It's but natural

And seriously who believes your accusation..
C'mon anyone, Cone out and join and agree suport astig accusation of an alternicks. For everyone to see.

 

[DAdmiral2]

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Let me reiterate, there’s nothing wrong with Kai not being a marquee player or a Next Star sign up. It is just a PERCEIVED value by the NBL. His real, actual value we shall see as the season progresses. We just have to live with the fact that not everyone sees Kai as highly as some of us do. The 36ers already promised to take good care of Kai as a developmental piece of the roster moving forward. Let Kai and his body of work do the talking.

And I've always been saying basically the same thing as you stated.
The only honest reason why I'm continually replying is , they are questioning my claim that Kai was assessed. He has to be assessed to know if he's not or is a marquee or next star player, how else is that determined or not ?
Plain fact is he was assessed, I don't know how else you interpret things , when the owner and head coach of a team says the NBL front office has assessed he is not qualified for the next star program. (Tapos)

 

[TheRodster212]

I still lurk here but the discussions on this forum have just been going in circles and have quite frankly become boring. No basketball to discuss I guess

 

[TheRodster212]

And I've always been saying basically the same thing as you stated.
The only honest reason why I'm continually replying is , they are questioning my claim that Kai was assessed. He has to be assessed to know if he's not or is a marquee or next star player, how else is that determined or not ?
Plain fact is he was assessed, I don't know how else you interpret things , when the owner and head coach of a team says the NBL front office has assessed he is not qualified for the next star program. (Tapos)

Might have missed this but what were the criteria assessed? Was it skill or draft ranking?