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Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

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robert0326 said:
This is not compulsory.. If that is the case then it is already complain by many.. If players are not ready then why force? NBA will not force Kai to join.. that is stupid already..
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The reason why you find it "stupid" is you're thinking in a different paradigm. Quite simple unlike other leagues in the world that require a "positive action" to enter the draft. The NBA does not require " a positive action" to enter the draft for those who are automatically eligible. You in fact like the rest of us who are based outside of the US prior the draft year we turned 22 yrs old, actually entered the draft to be made available even if we didn't know it and went undrafted.

Kobe Paras went undrafted in 2018, even if he didn't enter or knew he was available to be drafted.

Essentially Kai's positive action to reclassify early entry into the draft was when he signed an agreement with a US based team (Ignite) . as per CBA rules those who sign with a US based pro team are automatically made available for NBA teams to draft you in the year you turn 19 yrs old.
 
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Bottom line is this , in summary:

Unless there is a different interpretation and application of the CBA rules,

if Kai wanted to enter the draft later (2022 onwards) , he had to either :

Enter a US college and stay as an under classman
or
Join a non- US based team (either amateur/ school or Pro)

Once he signed a contract with a US based pro team he essentially re- classified and entered the draft on the year of his 19th birthday. ( period- unless the CBA rules are interpreted differently )
 
mathematicianrcg said:
Finally, we go back to Kai.

Hope this will be more less toxic than the previous one.

No need for personal atttacks on both sides.

Anyway, Where is Kai???? Well who knows. Sayson and Badua sources is not named.

Ewp, ervin, and Kai should have a plan already.

But what it is, is the question.

Based on this, I only think 2 possible things.

1. They may have already teams interested in Kai, who promised that they will draft him (based on marketability, potential, or whatever)

2. They will totally skip this 2021 nba draft. And increase his stock for 2022 Nba Draft against the likes of Chet
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Can I also appeal to our fellow forumers to be civil to one another? Avoid using foul language. Respond constructively to criticisms. Respect each other's arguments and viewpoints.

If not our american/foreign friends who runs the site may lock this thread. Or worse troll the PH subforum.

Let us interact sensibly this time around.

Thanks and have a nice day.
 
analyzed said:
Bottom line is this , in summary:

Unless there is a different interpretation and application of the CBA rules,

if Kai wanted to enter the draft later (2022 onwards) , he had to either :

Enter a US college and stay as an under classman
or
Join a non- US based team (either amateur/ school or Pro)

Once he signed a contract with a US based pro team he essentially re- classified and entered the draft on the year of his 19th birthday. ( period- unless the CBA rules are interpreted differently )
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I find this a better alternative as there are a surplus of pro leagues around the globe. For me, if he plays in the B.League as an Asian import, that would be fine since he will have an opportunity to face up against experience and skilled big imports. There are also lots of G-League caliber wings playing there. B. League guards, though not the athletic type, will force Kai to work on his perimeter and PNR defense. B.League may not be in the level of G-League but will surely give Kai a real 5-on-5 competitive environment.

Australia NBL could also be a good destination but is there really an Asian import quota there? What are the status of Yudai Baba, Makoto Hiejima and Vishesh Bhriguvanshi there?
 
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PeeZones said:
The best thing really these days is to wait for the official statement. It would be a very dumb move for EWP and Kai's family if they would not honor their Ignite commitment. It is like burning bridges to his future organization. He has his agents and they would for sure negotiate a best scenario for him. As reiterated and recently written article this gilas stint was really part of his agreement with Ignite.

EWP clients it seems were Javale Mcgee, Jordan Clarkson and others. These were the once always posted on their social media accounts. The Cancelled Gilas exhibition isn't extraordinary. A lot of events are cancelled worldwide every year. The biggest issue would be if they were SUED or if there was fraud. They for sure just tried to bypass insurance because in business sense that would lower the cost of the event and would entail bigger profit. NBA STARS play exhibitions games frequently during offseason for example the DREW LEAGUE and I dont think that league secure insurances for those events. See magisip ng maayos di puro SPECULATION and MUDSLINGING.

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/g-league-approved-kai-sotto-s-gilas-stint-says-ewp-a2437-20210121

East West Private (EWP), which handles Sotto's career, told Spin.ph that the 18-year-old wunderkind secured a clearance from the league to suit up for the national team which would run side-by-side with the developmental league's bubble in Orlando.

"The G League approved for him to play for the national team and asked him to immediately rejoin [Ignite] after the last game [of Gilas]," said EWP CEO Maria Espaldon.

We should learn as always to wait for official statements same as before. Puro speculations same as when he didnt announce his Ignite route. A lot were saying he is a bust, interest from NCAA not real, Europe route better, ETC.

Video of Kai reiterating his Gilas commitment.

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That was just a few years ago so most forumers remember it. They really dropped the ball on that one. Ako na nahiya para sa kanila. Thank God I didn't watch it live
 
ja.he said:
I find this a better alternative as there a surplus pro leagues around the globe. For me, if he plays in the B.League as an Asian import, that would fine since he will have an opportunity to face up against experience and skilled big imports. There are also lots G-League caliber wings playing their. The guards there, though not the athletic type, will force Kai to work his perimeter and PNR defence. B.League may not be in the level of G-League but surely gives Kai a true 5-on-5 competitive environment.

Australia NBL could also be a good destination but is their really an Asian import quota there? What is the status of Yudai Baba, Makoto Hiejima and Vishesh Bhriguvanshi there?
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afaik, you can get 1 asian player per team. the case of yudai, hiejima, they're are regular imports. they're some asian imports are categorize as developmental player like the chinese player years ago.
 
Cocoy Martin said:
I think he had some involvement, maybe as a middle man to the NBA or as an adviser perhaps?

https://www.espn.com/basketball/pba...-sotto-signs-aaron-goodwin-lebron-first-agent

https://www.philstar.com/sports/202...-green-be-handled-top-nba-agent-aaron-goodwin

https://www.olympicchannel.com/en/s...to-philippines-basketball-nba-mvp-mcclanagan/
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theirs a link that list the clients of goodwin(past and present) and kai sotto's name isn't in the list instead former client jalen green's name is listed
 
Silent Killer said:
afaik, you can get 1 asian player per team. the case of yudai, hiejima, they're are regular imports. they're some asian imports are categorize as developmental player like the chinese player years ago.
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How did they classify LaMelo Ball when he played there?
 
analyzed said:
Bottom line is this , in summary:

Unless there is a different interpretation and application of the CBA rules,

if Kai wanted to enter the draft later (2022 onwards) , he had to either :

Enter a US college and stay as an under classman
or
Join a non- US based team (either amateur/ school or Pro)

Once he signed a contract with a US based pro team he essentially re- classified and entered the draft on the year of his 19th birthday. ( period- unless the CBA rules are interpreted differently )
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Interesting. But your first sentence says it all. Depends on interpretation and Application of CBA into Ignite Program.
(WE ALL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE REAL TERMS OF THAT)

Now, assuming you are right.

So, Nba teams can draft Kai in 2021 regardless if he wants or not.

Making him a FA if he is undrafted. Then teams can sign him (Tacko Fall Route)

Now, in a case where Kai don't want to play for that team who drafted him, the rights still remains to the theam who drafted him.(ANYWAY, SIGURO NAMAN WALA NANG GANITONG SITUATION).


Personally, I have no problem if Kai can make the Nba as an Undrafted player.

We only want one goal. Make Kai as our First Homegrown Nba Player
 
ja.he said:
How did they classify LaMelo Ball when he played there?
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He's part of the Next star program, basically a competitor of the ignite ( Select program for the 6 prospects) , he does not count for the 3 open imports

Last year for the NZ Breakers

they had 3 open imports : one guy (a big) Ashley is with Ignite now
1 next star program player: RJ Hampton
and 1 Asian Development player: A player from China
 
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mathematicianrcg said:
Interesting. But your first sentence says it all. Depends on interpretation and Application of CBA into Ignite Program.
(WE ALL DON'T KNOW WHAT IS THE REAL TERMS OF THAT)

Now, assuming you are right.

So, Nba teams can draft Kai in 2021 regardless if he wants or not.

Making him a FA if he is undrafted. Then teams can sign him (Tacko Fall Route)

Now, in a case where Kai don't want to play for that team who drafted him, the rights still remains to the theam who drafted him.(ANYWAY, SIGURO NAMAN WALA NANG GANITONG SITUATION).


Personally, I have no problem if Kai can make the Nba as an Undrafted player.

We only want one goal. Make Kai as our First Homegrown Nba Player
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Yes that's basically it , the only scenario i can see where the CBA in interpreted differently , is if signed by a US based pro team means sign and played (official game) , but that's overthinking it , and it's not like the NBA via Ignite has incentive to allow for this interpretation. They've invested $ 250k on Kai ( assuming) just letting him decide to go elsewhere ( overseas etc) without NBA teams having an opportunity to either draft or sign him for next season is a wasted investment and in my view a disadvantage for the NBA
 
robert0326 said:
So do you mean Kai should join whether he like it or not? What if Kai didn't submit his papers for this year's draft? Is that penalty? I don't think it's gonna happen...
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You're missing the point , there is no action ( submit) required to enter a draft . what determines if one is available to be selected by the NBA teams for a draft year is not dependent on the applicant's action , but by his eligibility status , if one is eligible he is automatically entered to be available for teams to select.

Do not confuse with common understanding of normal drafts like the PBA , where one has to submit document requirements to enter draft. It's a different paradigm. For one in the PBA once drafted like Japeth & Burger King) you're committed to signing and playing with the team . In the NBA some of those who are drafted never even sign at all for their whole career with an NBA team. That's why draft dodging in the PBA is a relevant issue, cause essentially if someone like Thrirdy does not join PBA draft but plays in Japan , no PBA team can sign him. this does not apply in the NBA. , cause entering the draft does not equate to having to sign with a team that drafts you
 
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Players whose 19th birthday falls during or before the calendar year of the draft, or at least one year removed from the graduation of their high school class, and who do not meet the criteria for "international" players are automatically eligible if they meet any of the following criteria:[21]

They have completed four years of their college eligibility.

If they graduated from high school in the U.S., but did not enroll in a U.S. college or university, four years have passed since their high school class graduated.

They have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the NBA, anywhere in the world, and have played under that contract. They also must be released from their contract before they can leave college to go to the NBA

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Those who have reached the minimum eligibility age of 19 and meet the criteria for "international" players are automatically eligible if they meet any of the following criteria:

They are at least 22 during the calendar year of the draft.

They have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the NBA within the United States, and have played under that contract.[23]


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CBA defines "international players" for draft purposes as those who meet all of the following criteria:[32]

Permanently reside outside the U.S. for at least three years before the draft while playing basketball outside the U.S.

Have never enrolled in a U.S. college or university.
Did not complete high school in the U.S.

They have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the NBA within the United States, and have played under that contract.

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So this is CBA according to wiki.

This is unusual for me. But I think sir analyzed in right in this case.

Kai, according to the definition is not an "Intermational Player" in terms of CBA.

He falls under the first one. And Kai basically have the 3rd requirement (He only need one of 3)

"They have signed a contract with a professional basketball team outside the NBA, anywhere in the world, and have played under that contract. They also must be released from their contract before they can leave college to go to the NBA."

Now, it is the only question of if "and have played under that contract" means official game.

And yes. As far as I know, no need for automatically eligible players to submit papers.

Usually, it is being made by unknown players. But Kai is obviously not unknown.

Nba teams can literally draft any pba player today if they want to. (but of course contract)
 
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That's correct, there is reasons why the CBA rules are as such for the draft different than normal leagues like the PBA, and that is to make the draft rule relevant and applicable for the different pathways ( US College, international players etc)
 
robert0326 said:
So it means Kai can still skip this year's draft because he's not played any official G-League games.. Yes, he signed but not played yet.. Although Kai's team should fix the contract obligations.. Maybe Kai's team should buy out his G-League contract to fix this problem.. This is what Homer Sayson and Snow Badua didn't know about this one..
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No matter what remedy. We cant deny this is a bad start for him. He wouldnt want to be branded as a problem in any locker room sure he is a good kid, but his handlers seem to have poisoned his reputation somewhat.
 
live_evil said:
If people are going to act like idiots with the thread title, might as well have a new one.

Really disappointed with what is happening right now. Kai should have gone straight to the Ignite bubble and go through all the tests. If he gets benched then he has to accept that. While it looks like Brian Shaw is not a good coach and his teammates are ballhogs, Kai being missing in action and not having communication, allegedly creates a bad impression among scouts. He has not yet earned the respect from teams and scouts to do what he is doing. He is still a non-entity in the larger NBA scheme of things.
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If this thread will be renamed again by whoever is that poster who has access to change thread titles shame on you.
 
robert0326 said:
So do you mean Kai should join whether he like it or not? What if Kai didn't submit his papers for this year's draft? Is that penalty? I don't think it's gonna happen...
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Damn son, Analyzed already explained it to a T.....Kai doesn't need to do anything more, NBA Draft is not like the PBA, wherein a prospect applies, Kai is eligible in this year's draft. Tapos!

Sorry, dapat civilized daw in this new thread.
 
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