Filipino Players in Foreign Leagues

[DAdmiral2]

I dont think SBP pays for that contract because they cant just demand on the availability of Kai and they somehow would negotiate to EWP and 36ers for them to release him.

Also, how much was the contract for that Li?

of course not the SBP itself , or people working on behalf of the SBP function.
Ganito lang ka simple.

https://www.facebook.com/teamNZBasketball/photos/a.1557230954394956/3892443547540340/

Tuffin has a standard contract with his team, but as a result of the significant viewership brought by the Philippine patronage following, this game was streamed,. look who the sponsor is ( Smart). oh i arranged both "standard contract and broadcast revenue - income.. i should know how it works.. and about Kai and the ANBL , I do to...
just connect the dots na lang..

 

[PeeZones2]

Nothing really in that press release contradicts the value of the contract being multi million dollars , side arrangements as a result of the signing can potentially be multi million $

I havent read of a press release about a player's contract in the pba or nba that would include side arrangements. Even in the pba that is really done in secret and would be prohibited in the NBL. The only logical additions would be bonuses or incentives that is acquired if players hit performance based goals.

Sbp is too unrelated to adelaide and NBL. kai could sign other deals with smart but that would not appear anywhere in his contract with adelaide.

Unless that is proven, we should assume normalcy in that press release and that contract would only contain kai's salary with adelaide.

 

[DAdmiral2]

^
this is not the PBA or NBA, ( in the case of the NBA the exact amount is publicly declared) , this is normal for "For Asian NBL players" . What is not normal is what you're suggesting that a regular player much more a development player is given more than a million dollars annual contract from their regular payroll ( the team salary cap is only 1.5 million) , that is absolutely not normal.

You're basing things on what you know happens in more commonly know leagues (PBA and NBA) , but have no knowledge whatsoever in how things work in the ANBL. Just look at the team salary cap it's puny a fraction compared to other major leagues , for the ANBL to attract notable players it has to leverage of "other " arrangements. ( how can u even comment about the other "practice workarounds" when you're not privy or even familiar with how things work in this different environment (this is not the NBA or PBA)

 

[DAdmiral2]

Some info on speculation of Kai's NBL salary

As an NBL Special Restricted Player (SRP) - meaning a player from China, Philippines, Taiwan, India, South Korea, Singapore and Japan., Sotto’s contract DOES NOT count against the team salary cap.

So when considering Kai Sotto’s international appeal, his designation as a SRP and the pay scale of NBL Marquee Players and imports, it wouldn’t be unfair to speculate the big man is making anywhere between $150k - $300k USD (200k - 400k AUD) for his three-year deal.

Essentially the 36ers would NOT use more than $ 100k annually of their own payroll (not from other funding) for Kai.

source : https://www.josecolorado.com/blog/Australia-nbl-basketball-salaries

 

[tomcat2]

Victor Wembanyama for me is the second coming of Dikembe Mutombo with a better offensive game.

He’s just 17 and not surprisingly stick-thin. Clearly he doesn’t know how to use his body as well as he will in a few years.

But like most kids today, he can play all over the court. He can shoot outside, drive and defend. And if you’re going to go with position less basketball, or something close to it, better to to it with bigger guys than little.

 

[DAdmiral2]

How do you argue that Kai can only receive this much because the teams sa/lary cap is only 1.5M if his salary won't count against the salary cap.

1st of all this is the "authors" speculation, but you can see his logic, while his salary does not count towards the salary cap, (so does the marquee players , soft cap) , the franchise still does have to manage "spend" beyond the salary cap. And prioritize spend on Marquee players ( includes imports) , and if the marquee players are on avg getting around USD $ 100 K / yr , then yes as the writer suggest" it wouldn’t be unfair to speculate the Kai is making " something similar. Note : $ 100k is just a fraction 5 % of $ 2 M as some are suggesting, which would really be unprecedented

 

[DAdmiral2]

Add to those your own speculation. What's factual here is that kai's salary would not be counted against the 1.5M. You know, maybe Kai is really worth what the press release said. Maybe he's worth more than most kiwis right now. Unless you can prove the news wrong.

Well the writer is part of the press, and a knowledgeable one at that , no notable NBL press is even arguing he is getting $ 1 m from Adelaide ( not external) , so there is noting to prove wrong or definitive statement released to prove wrong.
Marquee and bench players are both Kiwis and Australians locals in the NBL there is no one arguing what they are getting. If Kai is getting similar or more than marquee players then so be it. The writer is actually suggesting it is fair to speculate he is getting something similar ( which BTW is not in the Millions )

there is no press release that confirms Adelaide is paying him $ 2 M annually from their pocket. At least i haven't seen it, unless your assuming that is what the headline truly means. If that's your interpretation assumption, then you even have a better insight and understanding compared to people who actually are involved in the league.
$ 1 M means he is getting double what Lamelo (next star program) is getting. , and money will come from 36ers pockets not shouldered funded by the NBL . If that's your read , they yeah that is a historic record for the NBL

 

[reptilia2]

Lamelo and rj got over 1 mill each.

The cap is now $1.64mill and some marquees earn $700k

 

[DAdmiral2]

If people want to believe Kai will get $2 M (plural )annually (higher than Lamelo and marquee players) based on a press release, with no author stated and not repeated in any other publication, then so be it,
I would be elated if Kai gets that record high from Adelaide alone (not external). That would be history. There is nothing for me to regret if this is true , and is but just good news

 

[DAdmiral2]

BTW the 36ers are one of the low budget teams , Sydney and Melbourne and PERTH are the ones who can afford

https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/48684-lemanis-nbl-is-uneven-financial-playing-field/

 

[PeeZones2]

BTW the 36ers are one of the low budget teams , Sydney and Melbourne and PERTH are the ones who can afford

https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/48684-lemanis-nbl-is-uneven-financial-playing-field/

Why are you making it so complicated?lol It is actually very simple to dissect that contract.

If indeed Reptilia was correct that marquee players were already paid around 700k next season as compare to 500k from last season, then somehow kai is receiving an amount that is near or equal to 700k.

It is impossible for Kai to receive 2M per year and that is your way of deliberately making it to sound unrealistic. Do not misled everyone. It would be 2M for the entire duration which is for 3 years. Kai should be earning around 670-700k per year and that would sum up to at least 2M for 3yrs.

I am bringing this up because this is a very significant aspect of Kai's stint. The media outlet that released the news was a legit site and Adelaide was reposting their articles.

In the end, whoever pays Kai surely thinks highly of him. Highly in terms of GAMEPLAY and Marketability. That 700k is unprecedented for an asian player and non-rising star recruit.lol Kai is somehow getting max contract and at par with the best players of NBL. You cant just market someone if he isn't seen to excel and you will look foolish if he falters. I have seen headlines like he is hailed as the next big thing in Aussie basketball. That is way overboard and unacceptable for a lot of Kai doubters.lol

It is important to also follow the contracts of other next star signees like Hukporti, Ousmane Dieng, Mojave King and others for comparison. That high contract of Kai could also mean that NBL doesn't believe in Kai's lame mock writer's ranking. It also indicate how valuable and intriguing Kai as a prospect. Kai also has been receiving tons of media mileage in Australia way more than the other signees.

 

[PeeZones2]

https://twitter.com/JFalleiro/status/1424908961606627329?s=20


Sportando
@Sportando
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7”5 Chinese National Team Center and CBA All-Star Liu Chuanxing is getting interest from multiple NBL Teams in Australia as an Asian Import, according to reliable sources. He is a free agent as his contract with the Qingdao Eagles has already expired.

https://sportando.basketball/en/chi...iu-chuanxing-getting-interest-from-nbl-teams/

We could check his contract if ever he would signup with a NBL team.

 

[DAdmiral2]

1st of all there are no definitive statement details on what were confirming is correct or not , second for almost any significant NBL news will be released in the NBL website as well as more than one publication, this one would be as it is unprecedented, an Asian player is getting payed a development player at that a salary equivalent to a marquee player.
2nd if they see him as that good worth the value of marquee player then sign him as an open import. Better yet endorse him to the NBL as a next star program level player and get the MBL to pay majority of his salary . NBL teams are allowed 3 imports. To give u an indication how straped for cash NBL teams , especially Adelaide, most teams don't even utilize the 3 import allotment (no money)
BTW a number of player like Creek, Sobey etc were formerly played for Adelaide, but they left cause the team could no longer afford them. Here is the main thing, you're pretending to know the situation of A NBL teams financial situation, when you actually do not , your guessing and assuming with very little understanding of the history and situation.
There just so many other ways the 36ers could pay Kai if they really liked him that much to pay him that much. An Asian development player is the least of the classification they would resort to.
But anyway there really is nothing to disprove as there is really no definitive statement release. Just interpretation and assumptions of what it could mean and who is paying for it

 

[PeeZones2]

Aussie players would be subjected to that measly salary cap but Kai on the other hand isnt part of that. As it stands Kai is earning atleast 2mil for 3yrs. If indeed Adelaide doesnt have much resources, then most likely NBL pays for his salary. Adelaide was selected because it would suit Kai's game. NBL is trying to carve a nitch as a major destination for preparing prospects so they would be drafted in the NBA. Those who were saying that Kai would linger in the bench would contradict the aim and intentions of the whole league. Kai is also very capable to contribute decent minutes for his team.

 

[DAdmiral2]

BTW the Breakers signed a 3rd import, who's in the 2022 2nd round mock draft , (not a next star allocated dieng )
Why is this relevant, there really is no need to use an Asian classified player on a player who's getting paid as a marquee player. Particularly if the team is not expected to utilize all its 4 player allocation on a marquee max like contract.
It's senseless really for a team not being able to afford to pay 4 players the so called max , but give the money to an extra player, (Asia development player)
If Kai's worth , that the 36ers, should seriously complain to the NBL, on why they're not using the money allocated for a next star player on Kai, if he's that good and worth that , then it's definitely unfair for the 36ers

Note as well the 36ers are not in risk of going over the salary cap, plus it's not hard cap anyway. There is no sense to use the Asian classification on a player your willing to pay max anyway

Oh now your guessing speculating again that the NBL front office will pay for Kai and not Adelaide.. why? So it can explain the vague press release?

 

[DAdmiral2]

Essentially what you guys are assuming the one vague press release to be , is highly doubtful.
There is no reason to use the Asian provision and also no reason for the league not to share the big news, Asian is a max player!

 

[PeeZones2]

Essentially what you guys are assuming the one vague press release to be , is highly doubtful.
There is no reason to use the Asian provision and also no reason for the league not to share the big news, Asian is a max player!

In the end you would only need to work on that 2m for 3yrs because it is the reality now. I am not even interested to know who pays Kai or what is his classification. The only thing that would really matter is that he is paid way above than normal. With all your comments, I dont believe that NBL and Adelaide is too foolish to commit such amount to a player like Kai. Kai is Asia's u16 MVP at 15 and one of the world's best at 17 last u19. He could even be top player of this year's U19 and the very least would be a mythical 5. He is worth every penny of that 700k plus his huge following of an entire country.

Those other signees didnt have the accolades and the performance of Kai. Kai made headlines in the US highschool scene at 18. He went toe to toe against formidable senior NT bigs at 19. Kai is way more accomplish than 90% of the untested players of 2022.lol

 

[DAdmiral2]

You're contradicting yourself , you said you were adamant that the contract amount was to be paid by 36ers alone , now your saying you don't care who pays, Philippine benefactor or NBL front office .
You also say you don't care what Kai is classified as , then previously u said it should be normal situation . WELL Asian development players getting paid as highest paid is Not normally at all .Ok lang naman if he is, , the thing is there is no reason to use an Asian classification if u will use the super max , this will be unprecedented. Plus it defeats the purpose then of limiting each team to 4 max players assigned to marquee players , kung ganoon then every team can just claim that their best and highest paid players as development player lang.
So you see classification matters ,
You are also bitter that NBL listens to mock drafts., well if classification does not matter to you, then why the bitterness that Kai was not classified as a next star player ?
Plus of course it matters to the 36sers , as his salary will be paid by the league

You say we should assume what is normal, well Asian players are normally paid by their Asian sponsors to make this work.. that is the norm for Asian NBL imports, yes not normal for PBA or NBA

 

[Trae Yong2]

dios mio, ano kaya pagtatalunan dito next? jersey number naman? LOL pero sa totoo lang dun na ako maniniwala sa insider - at least credible - and never dun sa miron at nagmamarunong, iyung isa asa australia iyung isa naman asa davao lang (tapos dds kadiri pa) ... who's toothpaste are you buying?

 

[Stevy2]

You're contradicting yourself , you said you were adamant that the contract amount was to be paid by 36ers alone , now your saying you don't care who pays, Philippine benefactor or NBL front office .

You say we should assume what is normal, well Asian players are normally paid by their Asian sponsors to make this work.. that is the norm for Asian NBL imports, yes not normal for PBA or NBA

Just let him be man, he will never concede. It doesn't take a lot of critical thinking to be logical especially when he assumed that Kai's contract is worth 2 mill for 3 years just because of an article rather than looking things objectively especially from this link https://www.josecolorado.com/blog/Australia-nbl-basketball-salaries. Aussies in the NBL forums has already stated that the article does not match the headline. It should be multi year deal rather than multi million. He is the same guy who said that Kai right now is better than a Euro League starter. Just don't even argue against his "superior" basketball knowledge.