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geohunk2
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OT: He and his ilk are the self-proclaimed BEACONs of TRUTH. Lol!
Sikatrix2
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Internet mods are the real fascists hahahaha
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Labradoodle2
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Anti-vaxxeers and COVID are a special kind of stupid - like Trump and Bolsonaro.
If you and you're loved ones gets COVID, don't blame COVID if they die or if you rack up 1M pesos hospital bill. Blame yourself for believing "it's just 1.78% mortality rate".
If you and you're loved ones gets COVID, don't blame COVID if they die or if you rack up 1M pesos hospital bill. Blame yourself for believing "it's just 1.78% mortality rate".
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Labradoodle2
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Not only about vaccinations, a subset of Americans are also anti maskers. They feel that masks "violate" their "freedom rights".Ironically, they don't complain about traffic and seat belt laws being forced on to them as "oppressing their rights to drive as they want". LMAO
What is not also being talked about by those who downplay the COVID death is the long-term effect on survivors. Not only financially but also the effects on their post-recovery health
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CoJ2
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true, its just numbers/statistics until one of your love ones is affected, correct my math but 1.78% of 100 million Filipinos is 1.7 million dead people right?
anyway i miss the days that the entire ibn philippine section was debating about naturalization and eligibility
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magic_chiongson2
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would've been fine if they just stuck to being stupid. unfortunately they are also disease spreaders and can indirectly cause the death of many people, more so in the philippines and other developing countries where there is not enough vaccines and healthcare / protocols are lacking
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Dotch2
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Crystals will heal them, and also Tuob / Suob!
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geohunk2
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(FACEPALM) Yup, your math is all wrong. Hooo boy this is going to be a bit of a long OT but here goes:
You're confusing the CFR (Case Fatality Rate) of 1.78% and providing the wrong formula and giving out a completely nonsensical output of 1.7 million people. That's misleading. If you want to compute what's called the CRUDE MORTALITY RATE which by the way is defined as: measures the probability that any individual in the population will die from the disease; not just those who are infected, or are confirmed as being infected. It’s calculated by dividing the number of deaths from the disease by the total population. So:
21,537 (total deaths from Covid as of June 4) / 110,959,520 (pop. of Philippines as of June 4) = 0.0194%
So 0.0194% is the Crude Mortality Risk that either you or anyone in this forum dies from COVID. But of course, that isn't the whole story of it. So how did we get that 1.7%? Well, that's the current CFR for the Philippines. In the media, it is often the “case fatality rate” that is talked about when the risk of death from COVID-19 is discussed. This measure is sometimes called case fatality risk or case fatality ratio, or CFR. But this is not the same as the risk of death for an infected person – even though, unfortunately, journalists often suggest that it is. It is relevant and important, but far from the whole story. The CFR is very easy to calculate. You take the number of people who have died, and you divide it by the total number of people diagnosed with the disease:
21,537 (total deaths from Covid as of June 4) / 1,255,337 (total cumulative cases of Covid as of June 4) = 1.72% CFR Case Fatality Rate
But it’s important to note that it is the ratio between the number of confirmed deaths from the disease and the number of confirmed cases, not total cases. That means that it is not the same as – and, in fast-moving situations like COVID-19, probably not even very close to – the true risk for an infected person. Unfortunately in the mainstream media, the case fatality rate is sometimes misreported as being Crude Mortality Rate and sometimes even as the IFR! What we want to know isn’t the case fatality rate: it’s the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR). The IFR is the number of deaths from a disease divided by the total number of cases. However, the total number of cases of COVID-19 is not known. That’s partly because not everyone with COVID-19 is tested. We may be able to estimate the total number of cases and use it to calculate the IFR – and researchers do this. But the total number of cases is not known, so the IFR cannot be accurately calculated. And, despite what some media reports imply, the CFR is not the same as – or, probably, even similar to – the IFR.
The case fatality rate isn’t constant: it changes with the context. Sometimes commentators talk about the CFR as if it’s a single, steady number, an unchanging fact about the disease. But it’s not a biological constant; instead, it reflects the severity of the disease in a particular context, at a particular time, in a particular population.The probability that someone dies from a disease doesn’t just depend on the disease itself, but also on the treatment they receive, and on the patient’s own ability to recover from it. This means that the CFR can decrease or increase over time, as responses change; and that it can vary by location and by the characteristics of the infected population, such as age, or sex. For instance, older populations would expect to see a higher CFR from COVID-19 than younger ones.
And this isn't even taking into account the untold number of reports across the country where Covid deaths are being misreported (families being approached by doctors and hospital staff to declare the death of a loved one as a COVID death for philhealth payout purposes even though the person died of an unrelated disease; motorcycle deaths, suicide deaths, accidents etc. reported as Covid)
In short, during an outbreak of a pandemic, the CFR is a poor measure of the mortality risk of the disease.
....Aaaannd so back to regular programming on this thread.
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live_evil2
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last time i checked this was the kai sotto thread
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CoJ2
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and let's keep it that way, moving on..
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DAdmiral2
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Case fatality rate is not the holy grail metric , cause it factors those who are only tested .
The holy grail metric that is unrefutable is total increase in fatality deaths increase for all causes. (Walang hokus pokus possible cause we're not diagnosing cause of death).. and here it is for NY city for same same period, all deaths for all causes is 72 times higher ! Case closed ! Covid is real.
Now do we want to even look at increase in hospitalization?
Here is the problem with all the well funded literature to debunk Covid as real , exaggerated and anti vaccine. While it uses scientific methods to verify irregularities, which are true for many. (Pharma is corrupt , testing not accurate etc)
It does not however debunk the fundamental unrefutable realities that there is a pandemic causing massive increase in deaths and now as you can see in the US , a vaccine rollout has reduced total deaths and hospitalized (fact ), this counts deaths due to vaccines side effects
The holy grail metric that is unrefutable is total increase in fatality deaths increase for all causes. (Walang hokus pokus possible cause we're not diagnosing cause of death).. and here it is for NY city for same same period, all deaths for all causes is 72 times higher ! Case closed ! Covid is real.
Now do we want to even look at increase in hospitalization?
Here is the problem with all the well funded literature to debunk Covid as real , exaggerated and anti vaccine. While it uses scientific methods to verify irregularities, which are true for many. (Pharma is corrupt , testing not accurate etc)
It does not however debunk the fundamental unrefutable realities that there is a pandemic causing massive increase in deaths and now as you can see in the US , a vaccine rollout has reduced total deaths and hospitalized (fact ), this counts deaths due to vaccines side effects
Sikatrix2
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IBN has a big moderation problem. Basically none of the mods are active. I mean this gem just calls people gay or female as a slur on the regular and nothing happens. So when people complain about the thread devolving, thats the root cause.
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DAdmiral2
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Simple, game 1 preperation. (Kai simply has NOt practiced the team defensive schemes planned vs the Korean offensive system, we're planning to defend a system specifically their perimeter players not matching up with a center) BTW who were our centers again when we last beat Korea (2013?
We're not talking about zero minutes for game 2 or 3
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thatweirdguy2
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Yeah if you're gonna break the rules you better not broadcast it for everyone one to see. But some people are more concerned in getting the scoop before everyone else..
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geohunk2
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I already explained what Case Fatality Rate is and what it can and can't be used for Dave or weren't you not understanding and comprehending again what I just posted as usual haaays...and I've already been debating with you in the other thread of this issue point for point in everything you just blurted there, so no need to hijack this thread about it jeezus...
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k3ttch2
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About Kai, he said he’ll be flying to Australia after the OQT in July. Will he be coming back for the Asia Cup?
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JAMSKIE2
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I have a feeling Kai would be allowed by the Adelaide 36ers to take a leave of absence for say 25 days to train with Gilas & play in the 2021 FIBA Asia Cup. Kai can train full time with the 36ers after the Asia Cup.
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digitalsuperman2
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when is the asia cup?
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PeeZones2
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SBP didnt just thread the needle to painstakingly negotiate with Kai's camp for Kai to be here and then stupidly not let Kai play this window. I believe EWP and his parents would prefer that he sit this out.
If they were so keen to participate, he should have went straight here after Remy or the next day. They could also arrange their families travel way ahead.
The real read on this situation would be that SBP really need Kai and they will play him. All of Tab's statements were just bluffs and a way to pressure Kai's camp. This is not to say that Kai isnt eager to play for Gilas. It is just that SBP would need to deal with EWP ladies and his parents all the time.
If they were so keen to participate, he should have went straight here after Remy or the next day. They could also arrange their families travel way ahead.
The real read on this situation would be that SBP really need Kai and they will play him. All of Tab's statements were just bluffs and a way to pressure Kai's camp. This is not to say that Kai isnt eager to play for Gilas. It is just that SBP would need to deal with EWP ladies and his parents all the time.
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