Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[ja.he2]

in regards to norwood blueprint.. Kevin ferrer can be that guy but..

I agree sir. I think a natural 3 version of kevin ferrer would be perfect fit for gilas. 6'4 good defender, with nice handles, and can from the perimeter.

We can add dondon hontiveros

I agree also because at around 6'2, being a shooting guard, with good defense and vast array of offensive sets, is also good. We already saw that in his previous stints.

I think prime Kelly Williams and Danny Seigle will flourish this era. Sadly, no players play like them. Especially Danny S. He is monickered a walking mismatch for a reason. I am talking about pre injury Danny Seigle. And the MVP Kelly Williams

Kelly Williams and Danny Seigle are rare kind of players. These guys are natural athletes. What i like about DS though is his fundamentals that even his athleticism fades away, he is still productive.

 

[qwertyz2]

in regards to norwood blueprint.. Kevin ferrer can be that guy but..

Back in 2016 I even predicted he would be able to play SG. A 6’4, long wingspan, hard nosed defender, sweet shooting with average handles. I can still see him being part of the pool from time to time but he has to prove him self against guys in the PBA like Wright, Ganuelas, Belo, Maliksi and Amateurs like Thirdy, Kobe, Oftana, Navarro

 

[qwertyz2]

For now the only way seems to be for players to leave and develop elsewhere.

One thing I was thinking was introduce imports to high school. Also allow at least 3 imports but they all have to be different positions basically a guard, forward and Center. A way to make it so they don’t impede development of locals is to impose a minutes per game restriction on how many minutes each import can play in a game or allow only one import at a time on the floor, this way local players can slide and play positions appropriate to their height at international games as well as gain experience playing against players that they would encounter internationally that aren’t just big men and they don’t get so she’ll schocked when they enter the World Cup and the size and length of the opposing players intimidates them.

Even just 1 import. That will be enough. Those kids could eventually ask for exemption saying that they have played in the Philippines since they were kids. But in terms of developing our players that will be a huge thing.

 

[tomcat2]

The closest we have is Kenneth Duremdes. At 6'3, he can play the point, shooting guard and small forward. He can create his own shot and he can also create opportunities for his teammates. That what makes him one of the greatest. Too bad, he never outdid the fil-ams because he opted to antagonized them.

TBH, guys like Duremdes, RDO, and Norwood should be our blueprints or template in developing players.

Even Chinese Hu Weidong believed that a 2 inches taller Kenneth Duremdes could been a major problem for China basketball at that time at could play in NBA..

 

[tomcat2]

I think prime Kelly Williams and Danny Seigle will flourish this era. Sadly, no players play like them. Especially Danny S. He is monickered a walking mismatch for a reason. I am talking about pre injury Danny Seigle. And the MVP Kelly Williams

Well there is one but he is ineligible because of Hagop rule, 6'5 super athletic wing DJ Fenner..

 

[TheRodster212]

Even just 1 import. That will be enough. Those kids could eventually ask for exemption saying that they have played in the Philippines since they were kids. But in terms of developing our players that will be a huge thing.

The thing I think will happen with 1 import is teams just use it on a big man most of the time like in college. With 3 imports they can impose a rule where you can only get one guard and one forward as well for a total of 3 imports. This way local guards and wings will have to get used to going up against bigger athletic guards and forwards, It’ll force adaptation by players and teams.

 

[ja.he2]

We don't need to be incredibly big to compete in the world cup.

Look at Brazil, Dominicana and New Zealand's rosters:

C Varejao - 6'11
C Lima - 6'10
PF Felicio - 6'10
PF Caboclo - 6'9
PF Vieira - 6'9
SF Louzada - 6'5
SF Garcia - 6'4
SG Benite - 6'3
SG Barbosa - 6'3
PG Huertas - 6'3
PG Luz - 6'2
PG dos Santos - 5'10

New Zealand:

C Pledger - 7'1
C Loe - 6'11
PF Smith-Milner - 6'9
PF Fotu - 6'8
F Delaney - 6'7
SF Abercrombie - 6'6
SF Ngatai - 6'5
SG Rusbatch - 6'5
G T. Webster - 6'4
SG C. Webster - 6'1
PG Kenny 6'0
PG Ili 6'0

Dominicana:

C Vargas - 6'11
C Roberts - 6'8
PF Garcia - 6'7
SF Montero - 6'7
PF Baez 6'6
PF Pena 6'6
SF Suero 6'5
SG Rojas 6'4
SG Mendoza 6'3
PG Solano 6'1
PG Ramon 6'0
PG Luz 6'0

Notice something in common with these teams? They are not overly tall team but they are not short of a team. They also fared better than many taller teams and actually beat those teams.

Noticeable also is that the 1, 2, 3 and 4 positions of these are not overly tall but quick and versatile enough to withstand taller European and Australian teams.

 

[mapuakid2]

We don't need to be incredibly big to compete in the world cup.

Look at Brazil, Dominicana and New Zealand's rosters:

C Varejao - 6'11
C Lima - 6'10
PF Felicio - 6'10
PF Caboclo - 6'9
PF Vieira - 6'9
SF Louzada - 6'5
SF Garcia - 6'4
SG Benite - 6'3
SG Barbosa - 6'3
PG Huertas - 6'3
PG Luz - 6'2
PG dos Santos - 5'10

New Zealand:

C Pledger - 7'1
C Loe - 6'11
PF Smith-Milner - 6'9
PF Fotu - 6'8
F Delaney - 6'7
SF Abercrombie - 6'6
SF Ngatai - 6'5
SG Rusbatch - 6'5
G T. Webster - 6'4
SG C. Webster - 6'1
PG Kenny 6'0
PG Ili 6'0

Dominicana:

C Vargas - 6'11
C Roberts - 6'8
PF Garcia - 6'7
SF Montero - 6'7
PF Baez 6'6
PF Pena 6'6
SF Suero 6'5
SG Rojas 6'4
SG Mendoza 6'3
PG Solano 6'1
PG Ramon 6'0
PG Luz 6'0

Notice something in common with these teams? They are not overly tall team but they are not short of a team. They also fared better than many taller teams and actually beat those teams.

Noticeable also is that the 1, 2, 3 and 4 positions of these are not overly tall but quick and versatile enough to withstand taller European and Australian teams.

Gilas needs to have players who could switch especially in 3 & 4 positions, i suppose that's Gilas weakness.

 

[ja.he2]

Gilas needs to have players who could switch especially in 3 & 4 positions, i suppose that's Gilas weakness.

IMO, Kobe and Troy as combo forwards while JC, Dwight, Parks, Thirdy and CJ as swingmen forming 7 of our 12-man roster will provide Gilas the versatility it needs in defense.

They have the length and mobility to in switching D.

 

[c_d2]

Noticeable also is that the 1, 2, 3 and 4 positions of these are not overly tall but quick and versatile enough to withstand taller European and Australian teams.

The problem we have here is there seems to be some unwritten rule coaches follow that the traits quick and versatile are exclusive to midgets. Even when you watch the age group leagues. Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/KZ9jTOAMTtk

 

[ja.he2]

The problem we have here is there seems to be some unwritten rule coaches follow that the traits quick and versatile are exclusive to midgets. Even when you watch the age group leagues. Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/KZ9jTOAMTtk

Very sound statement's from SVG. Skills developments should trample coaches' desire for wins in youth levels because once you develop a tall kid with guard skills, in the future, he can achieve more and win more games when he become a professional.

 

[mapuakid2]

IMO, Kobe and Troy as combo forwards while JC, Dwight, Parks, Thirdy and CJ as swingmen forming 7 of our 12-man roster will provide Gilas the versatility it needs in defense.

They have the length and mobility to in switching D.

JC, Dwight and Parks are okay for swingmen but I would put Thirdy and CJ to play as combo guards.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

We don't need to be incredibly big to compete in the world cup.

Look at Brazil, Dominicana and New Zealand's rosters:

C Varejao - 6'11
C Lima - 6'10
PF Felicio - 6'10
PF Caboclo - 6'9
PF Vieira - 6'9
SF Louzada - 6'5
SF Garcia - 6'4
SG Benite - 6'3
SG Barbosa - 6'3
PG Huertas - 6'3
PG Luz - 6'2
PG dos Santos - 5'10

New Zealand:

C Pledger - 7'1
C Loe - 6'11
PF Smith-Milner - 6'9
PF Fotu - 6'8
F Delaney - 6'7
SF Abercrombie - 6'6
SF Ngatai - 6'5
SG Rusbatch - 6'5
G T. Webster - 6'4
SG C. Webster - 6'1
PG Kenny 6'0
PG Ili 6'0

Dominicana:

C Vargas - 6'11
C Roberts - 6'8
PF Garcia - 6'7
SF Montero - 6'7
PF Baez 6'6
PF Pena 6'6
SF Suero 6'5
SG Rojas 6'4
SG Mendoza 6'3
PG Solano 6'1
PG Ramon 6'0
PG Luz 6'0

Notice something in common with these teams? They are not overly tall team but they are not short of a team. They also fared better than many taller teams and actually beat those teams.

Noticeable also is that the 1, 2, 3 and 4 positions of these are not overly tall but quick and versatile enough to withstand taller European and Australian teams.

Their 3/4 Combo forwards are athletic,versatile,quicker, and taller than our Combo forwards back then like RDO

But I think it will not be the case with Aj, Troy,Kobe as Combo forwards. Aj can play as 3,4,or 5

Then Ildefonso,Parks, Dwight,JC, Perez as combo guards

 

[qwertyz2]

Kai Sotto 7’2
AJ Edu 6’11
Junemar Fajardo 6’10
Poy Erram 6’8
Troy Rosario 6’7
Kobe Paras 6’6
Jordan Clarkson 6’5
Lebron Lopez 6’5
Dwight Ramos 6’4
Thirdy Ravena 6’3
CJ Perez 6’2
Ray Parks 6’4

My Final Lineup prediction. We’re neither mismatched in terms of height. Other countries’ swings would be a bit faster than ours tho.
Average height of FIBA players just based on eye test
PG 6’0
SG 6’3
SF 6’5
PF 6’8
C 6’10
Average height of NBA players per position
PG 6’2
SG 6’5
SF 6’7
PF 6’8
C 6’11

We’re really lacking in 6’7+ versatile forwards that are very athletic too.

 

[analyzed2]

We don't need to be incredibly big to compete in the world cup.

Look at Brazil, Dominicana and New Zealand's rosters:

C Varejao - 6'11
C Lima - 6'10
PF Felicio - 6'10
PF Caboclo - 6'9
PF Vieira - 6'9
SF Louzada - 6'5
SF Garcia - 6'4
SG Benite - 6'3
SG Barbosa - 6'3
PG Huertas - 6'3
PG Luz - 6'2
PG dos Santos - 5'10

New Zealand:

C Pledger - 7'1
C Loe - 6'11
PF Smith-Milner - 6'9
PF Fotu - 6'8
F Delaney - 6'7
SF Abercrombie - 6'6
SF Ngatai - 6'5
SG Rusbatch - 6'5
G T. Webster - 6'4
SG C. Webster - 6'1
PG Kenny 6'0
PG Ili 6'0

Dominicana:

C Vargas - 6'11
C Roberts - 6'8
PF Garcia - 6'7
SF Montero - 6'7
PF Baez 6'6
PF Pena 6'6
SF Suero 6'5
SG Rojas 6'4
SG Mendoza 6'3
PG Solano 6'1
PG Ramon 6'0
PG Luz 6'0

Notice something in common with these teams? They are not overly tall team but they are not short of a team. They also fared better than many taller teams and actually beat those teams.

Noticeable also is that the 1, 2, 3 and 4 positions of these are not overly tall but quick and versatile enough to withstand taller European and Australian teams.

This is a good compilation , you can really see the difference in type of players especially the 6' 5 size wings ( Tai, Abercombrie and Ti Rangi) they are really comfortable playing guard , strong and fast. Not bigs converted to play wing who have never played guard at all) , and people are still wondering why those 3 teams are so succesfull in world competition and we are not.. ano yun tsamba .. or malas lang.. obvious naman the main reason ( player talent level!)

The 23 for 23 list was really a step in the right direction, i remember when it first came out , people were questioning who the heck is Tuffin and other wings ( who have no accomplishment) , but the school of thought was there,. You really need to level up and play up to size and speed ... ( develop these players) , hindi puede that your best wings and forwards are like 6'0 - 6'2 (BTW can someone compile list of top 5 local non big man scorers in the PBA ? ano height nila?

 

[analyzed2]

PBA: Top of the 44th season
CJ Perez, Columbian - 20.8 points. (FIBA PG height)
Matthew Wright, Phoenix - 18.89 points. ( SG height)
Bobby Ray Parks Jr., TNT - 18.0 points. (SG height)
Stanley Pringle, Ginebra - 17.0 points. (PG height)
RR Pogoy, TNT - 16.6 points. ( PG height)

See the problem

 

[B L A C K S U N2]

We don't need to be incredibly big to compete in the world cup.

Look at Brazil, Dominicana and New Zealand's rosters:

C Varejao - 6'11
C Lima - 6'10
PF Felicio - 6'10
PF Caboclo - 6'9
PF Vieira - 6'9
SF Louzada - 6'5
SF Garcia - 6'4
SG Benite - 6'3
SG Barbosa - 6'3
PG Huertas - 6'3
PG Luz - 6'2
PG dos Santos - 5'10

New Zealand:

C Pledger - 7'1
C Loe - 6'11
PF Smith-Milner - 6'9
PF Fotu - 6'8
F Delaney - 6'7
SF Abercrombie - 6'6
SF Ngatai - 6'5
SG Rusbatch - 6'5
G T. Webster - 6'4
SG C. Webster - 6'1
PG Kenny 6'0
PG Ili 6'0

Dominicana:

C Vargas - 6'11
C Roberts - 6'8
PF Garcia - 6'7
SF Montero - 6'7
PF Baez 6'6
PF Pena 6'6
SF Suero 6'5
SG Rojas 6'4
SG Mendoza 6'3
PG Solano 6'1
PG Ramon 6'0
PG Luz 6'0

Notice something in common with these teams? They are not overly tall team but they are not short of a team. They also fared better than many taller teams and actually beat those teams.

Noticeable also is that the 1, 2, 3 and 4 positions of these are not overly tall but quick and versatile enough to withstand taller European and Australian teams.

Even if they're not that tall the players they have are wide and strong. Unfortunately for us we're not that tall and strong compared to caucasians. Our major upside is speed and a little bit of athleticism.

 

[ja.he2]

The problem with our system why we still keeping on producing small or undersized players is that coaches have the very wrong notion of small ball.

Like on my previous posts, my examples of small ball 5 are Brazil (that beat Greece who are taller by 8 cm than Brazil), Dominican Republic (the smallest team in the World Cup), Tall Black (both World Cup and the 2020 1st Window), GSW Hamptons 5, and the small ball Rockets.

Brazil:

C - Varejao 6'11
PF - Caboclo 6'9
SF - Garcia 6'4
SG - Barbosa 6'3
PG - Huertas 6'3

New Zealand:

World Cup:

C - Loe - 6'11
F - Fotu - 6'8
F - Abercrombie - 6'6
G - T. Webster - 6'4
G - Ili - 6'0

1st Window (during the big run in Guam game):

F - Vodanovich - 6'7
F - Te Rangi - 6'7
F - Ngatai - 6'5
G - Rusbatch - 6'5/ G Prewster 6'4
G - Ili 6'0

GSW's Hampton's 5:

F - Green - 6'7
F - Durant - 6'9
F - Iguodala - 6'6
G - Thompson - 6'7
G - Curry - 6'3

Small Ball Rockets:

C - Tucker - 6'6
F - Covington - 6'7
G - Gordon - 6'3
G - Harden - 6'5
G - Westbrook - 6'2

Those fives on the floor are not supertall but not short and are very versatile in offense and defense.

In PBA, LITERALLY small ball teams:

SMB (Fab 5):

C - Fajardo - 6'10
F - Arwind - 6'4
F - Lassiter - 6'2
G - Ross - 6'1
G - Cabagnot - 6'0

Magnolia:

C - Sanggalang - 6'6
F - Pingris - 6'5
G - Lee - 6'1
G - Melton - 5'9
G - Jalalon - 5'8

Ginebra:

C - Japeth - 6'9
F - Jervy Cruz - 6'4
G - Scottie - 6'1
G - Pringle - 6'0
G - Tenorio - 5'8

You see the difference of interpretation of small ball between FIBA teams and NBA teams our PBA teams?

We have the wrong notion of small ball and our coaches are still proud of it and label it as pinoy brand of basketball.

 

[paolylo2]

This is a good compilation , you can really see the difference in type of players especially the 6' 5 size wings ( Tai, Abercombrie and Ti Rangi) they are really comfortable playing guard , strong and fast. Not bigs converted to play wing who have never played guard at all) , and people are still wondering why those 3 teams are so succesfull in world competition and we are not.. ano yun tsamba .. or malas lang.. obvious naman the main reason ( player talent level!)

The 23 for 23 list was really a step in the right direction, i remember when it first came out , people were questioning who the heck is Tuffin and other wings ( who have no accomplishment) , but the school of thought was there,. You really need to level up and play up to size and speed ... ( develop these players) , hindi puede that your best wings and forwards are like 6'0 - 6'2 (BTW can someone compile list of top 5 local non big man scorers in the PBA ? ano height nila?

Haven't posted for a long time 'coz I've practically given up on our basketball "genuises". Chot Reyes recently came out saying he thought Panopio, Abarrientos, Raven Cortez, and LeBron Lopez are too young for 2023... despite the obvious that they're just as young as Edu, Kai, and Tamayo. It's short of saying we need guys who are tall or strong because 23 year old Filipino players aren't as developed as 23 year old NBA and Euroleague players. Guys like Andy Jao think having a 21-year old player on a National Team is rocket science.

If you talk about a step in the right direction, USA Basketball tried a core G-League players playing in qualifying and did well enough to beat the team that actually went to the World Cup in scrimmages just because they were together for 2 years instead of 2 months.

It was never really about the height/wingspan or the age, we just have to keep a pool playing together as early as next year... even if it means guys like Perez and Bolick have to take a leave from the PBA. So the hope is that this FIBA Asia Cup qualifying does exactly that. Do we still need a naturalized player? Clarkson proved that NBA-level talents will easily adjust. Well and good if he's available as a local and we somehow naturalize Jalen Green, but our only option right now is Brownlee who's not a big and will be 35 in 2023.

 

[analyzed2]

But because they are winning eh OK lang sa kanila in this kind of set up.. actually all teams have that kind of trend (maybe TNT is the exception).. Matatauhan mga yan if they are losing in the PBA.. If you look at current TNT's starting 5 eh that is a good set up of International type setting

C- Erram (6'8)
PF - Rosario (6'7)
SF - Parks (6'4)
SG - Pogoy (6'2)
PG - Castro (5'10)

What if McDaniels was there or Jones!! They can put Castro as 6th man while Parks will play as PG

C - Erram (6'8)
PF - Jones (6'9) / Rosario (for Gov's cup)
SF - Rosario (6'7) / McDaniels (6'6) (for Gov's cup)
SG - Pogoy (6'2)
PG - Parks (6'4)

Actually SMB can also do this especially in a import flavored conferece

C- Junmar (6'10)
PF - Tautuaa (6'9)
SF - McCollugh (6'9)
SG - Lassiter (6'3)
PG - Ross (6'1)

If coach Leo think about this.. They can compete also Internationally..

The problem is CAN is different from HAVE for a long time. (repetition) , we have all these fantasy line-ups or wishes of line-ups with decent all around length , but when i turn on the TV and watch i don't see these line-ups being fielded , rather what works and wins in the PBA is 3 midget guards 6 feet and below in crunch time. ( those 3 midgets are our best scorers and perimeter players)