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Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

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for me the most disappointing part of the gilas' wc performance was not having any other offense aside from letting JC cook. they had weeks of training without clarkson but when the world cup started it's like they only started training when clarkson arrived 2 weeks before

We'll really need at least 3 JC-level players, or just JC then 5 more similar high-impact role/takeover players in addition to Edu and Dwight, to make a significant dent against the elite NTs every WC (and Olympics, if ever we qualify to one).
 
I don't think we'll overtake China this year. As lackluster their NT may have been the past 7 years, Gilas just didn't do enough in the same time period iirc:

Disappointing 2017 and 2022 Asia Cups
So-so performance in the 2019 and 2023 WC qualifiers
Abysmal 2019 WC proper
Satisfying ('cause no heavy blow-out losses) yet still lacking 2023 WC finish

Results from the above key FIBA events just won't be enough to help our case.

Maybe next year, if we did great in OQT… we are only overtaking them this WC only… their Olympic stint in 2016 will be erase in 8 year cycle next year… they still better results than us in past 10 years (or after we finished 2nd in fiba asia 2013 while they are only 5th place that time)… but for sure we will surpass Korea this time… something’s wrong if they are still above us in fiba rankings despite they didn’t play qualifiers and main WC tournament plus they didn’t participate in pre OQT last month
 
for me the most disappointing part of the gilas' wc performance was not having any other offense aside from letting JC cook. they had weeks of training without clarkson but when the world cup started it's like they only started training when clarkson arrived 2 weeks before

I am disappointed with the lack of time preparing than the WC games itself.. if you are the coach, can you come up with a sound gameplan when your main players just coming in 2 weeks before the tournament and the whole team practicing as a unit 1 week before the tournament? wala kang magagawa and it showed during the games that focal point was only JC.. shempre he is our star player and a 6th man NBA awardee and a 20pt average NBA player.. shempre sya ang focal point with that much time preparing.. and we paid dearly but were still in the game and almost won..

that is why i am disappointed with the preparation time.. sabihin mo na there are a lot of factors that happened that resulted in lack of time (Kai drama, Justin Brownlee Injury, Scottie Thompson Injury, JC coming in late) those players are major key players in the team... coach is still responsible no matter how hard the circumstances were..

all in all, there is only one thing I am very disappointed with chot reyes, and that is he shouldv'e played kiefer ravena more.. as much as we hate him in the team, he did play well and I thought he played the role of a Alapag, Tenorio.. he stabilized the team well.. aside from that, I think wala na tayo magagawa.. Abando was a slow burner that surprised us - again, that would have shown earlier if more praparation time was alloted.. our low field goal shots, wala na tayo magagawa dun.. that is part of the players confidence again that would have been improved with additional preparation time and games.. kulang na kulang talaga preparation time..
 
for me the most disappointing part of the gilas' wc performance was not having any other offense aside from letting JC cook. they had weeks of training without clarkson but when the world cup started it's like they only started training when clarkson arrived 2 weeks before

most disappointing part, we have 7 years to prepare yet we ended up cramming
 
USA lost in fiba World Cup is not just because they bringing lesser talent NBA caliber players… but they loss because how they play throughout the tournament… they didn’t box out properly, they didn’t advise how fiba rules is different compare to nba rules and they didn’t knew that no 3 sec defensive violation in fiba unlike in nba, they keep on switching even its not needed too much… this video explains everything how bad team USA plays throughout the tournament…


https://youtu.be/uwMj7Hs7NtA?si=QrR5eRsyby-oMUMj​
 
Here's a compilation of the stats for this WC: https://hackastat.eu/en/fiba-world-cup-2023/

Interesting statlines for us:

We were 10th in DRTG at 106.3.
We allowed a true shooting percentage of 53%, good for 6th in the WC.
We allowed opponents to shoot only 32% from 3, good for 9th.
We allowed opponents to shoot 41% from the field, good for 4th.
We had the lowest AST% at 43%.
We had the 10th highest TO% at 16%.
We were 26th in 3PT% at 30%.
We were below average at offensive rebounding, grabbing only 28% of all available offensive rebounds. (ranked 21st, average 29%)
We were average at defensive rebounding, grabbing 73.7% of all available defensive rebounds. (ranked 15, average 72.9%)
We force turnovers only 12% of the time, good for 31st.

Defensive stats might have been padded by the Angola and China games, but I'll take it.​
 
Man, I don't know about you guys but the WC was pretty disheartening for me as a pinoy bball fan, especially that loss vs South Sudan. How tf are you losing to a country that's only like 11 years old??!? and was coming off a civil war. All this talk about changing our grassroots structure and improving our pro league in hopes of developing better players are just a tiny factor in developing players having the height is really the most important thing in producing NBA player. Example is a nation like South Sudan whom I heard doesn't even have an indoor facilities and probably doesn't have a pro league still.could produce NBA players because they are some really tall people in their country. Rant over. pinoys loving basketball is really unrequited love HAHAHAHA
 
Man, I don't know about you guys but the WC was pretty disheartening for me as a pinoy bball fan, especially that loss vs South Sudan. How tf are you losing to a country that's only like 11 years old??!? and was coming off a civil war. All this talk about changing our grassroots structure and improving our pro league in hopes of developing better players are just a tiny factor in developing players having the height is really the most important thing in producing NBA player. Example is a nation like South Sudan whom I heard doesn't even have an indoor facilities and probably doesn't have a pro league still.could produce NBA players because they are some really tall people in their country. Rant over. pinoys loving basketball is really unrequited love HAHAHAHA

Well to be fair their players are also fairly skilled and coordinated not just tall. Not Kai Sotto great though lol . Heck we have the tallest player in the tournament which didn't help us squat.
 
Well to be fair their players are also fairly skilled and coordinated not just tall. Not Kai Sotto great though lol . Heck we have the tallest player in the tournament which didn't help us squat.

I still believe they got recruited for their height, c'mon now how the fuck are they going to get better at basketball when that country doesn't even have the facilities, grassroots program and a pro league and probably a television exposure to the NBA? Do their citizens even know about the NBA?
 
FIBA article on each countries standout players from the 2023 World Cup....
"New Zealand
Four guys stood out for the Tall Blacks, with Finn Delany and Reuben Te Rangi averaging team-highs of 16.4 points per game, and Izayah Le'afa being the defensive presence with 12.8 points and 2.2 steals per game, but Shea Ili was the man of the hour for coach Pero Cameron. The point guard put up 14.8 points and 7.6 assists per game, finishing just behind Carlik Jones and Tremont Waters in the assists-per-game category. Ili really was their best player." (Via fiba.basketball)

https://www.fiba.basketball/basketb...bclid=IwAR0wkjFf_jc50bMzFuT_9Aidc6ZKthLx0bpdm gAly5H3-UQ9vXFaEc6ZsVA​
 
Well to be fair their players are also fairly skilled and coordinated not just tall. Not Kai Sotto great though lol . Heck we have the tallest player in the tournament which didn't help us squat.

This is the real problem, plenty of players with height but they aren’t as good when compared to international players of the same size. Pretty much development issue
 
Man, I don't know about you guys but the WC was pretty disheartening for me as a pinoy bball fan, especially that loss vs South Sudan. How tf are you losing to a country that's only like 11 years old??!? and was coming off a civil war. All this talk about changing our grassroots structure and improving our pro league in hopes of developing better players are just a tiny factor in developing players having the height is really the most important thing in producing NBA player. Example is a nation like South Sudan whom I heard doesn't even have an indoor facilities and probably doesn't have a pro league still.could produce NBA players because they are some really tall people in their country. Rant over. pinoys loving basketball is really unrequited love HAHAHAHA

It's not fair to compare to South Sudan because they are an "outlier" when it comes to prospects. Like what I mentioned before, they are home to the Dinka tribe which is arguably one of the best on earth when it comes to height-athleticism combination. They have an enormous pool with elite size and other better developed countries have been scouting/recruiting their best basketball players since the 90s.

On the other hand, their program is also an example of how a "targeted" development can be effective. Their program leaders (former nba players) are not trying to uplift the whole country's basketball program. With their limited resources, they are using their limited funds on their "elite of the elite." They also have a long-term outlook when it comes to development (they included 16 year old Malwach in the World Cup team).
 
Here's a compilation of the stats for this WC: https://hackastat.eu/en/fiba-world-cup-2023/

Interesting statlines for us:

We were 10th in DRTG at 106.3.
We allowed a true shooting percentage of 53%, good for 6th in the WC.
We allowed opponents to shoot only 32% from 3, good for 9th.
We allowed opponents to shoot 41% from the field, good for 4th.
We had the lowest AST% at 43%.
We had the 10th highest TO% at 16%.
We were 26th in 3PT% at 30%.
We were below average at offensive rebounding, grabbing only 28% of all available offensive rebounds. (ranked 21st, average 29%)
We were average at defensive rebounding, grabbing 73.7% of all available defensive rebounds. (ranked 15, average 72.9%)
We force turnovers only 12% of the time, good for 31st.

Defensive stats might have been padded by the Angola and China games, but I'll take it.​

so now we have clear guidelines of what we need to improve on if we want to compete at this level. our defensive weaknesses (in my UNEXPERT OPINION) could be due to our lack of size at the guard/wing positions. our 6-4, 6-5 guards don't move like international guards. The PBA draft still has 6-4 centers. low assists, high turnovers and low 3 pt shooting should be due to lack of fluidity in offense due to poor preparation. 2nd to the lowest in forcing turnovers means we couldn't keep up with our defensive assignments, not enough length to disrupt passing lanes or just the PBA habit of clogging the lane. I believe our bigs can now compete. but our guards and wings (locally) are still used to playing as undersized PF/C. if we still want to be relevant at this level, we should develop the taller guards and wings. our 6-4 to 6-6 players should move like our 6-1, 6-2 players. hopefully, we veer away from the power playing 6-3, 6-4 of past generations (Patrimonio, Peek). We have taller, longer shooters, but coach didn't pick them. Wright, Lassiter, Parks, Tuffin couldn't have done worse than Pogoy. Malonzo, unfortunately, disappeared in the games.
 
In terms of talent, size and skill, the frontline of Fajardo, Edu, Sotto and Aguilar is the best so far in the history of the RP Team IMO. Better than the group of Taulava, A. Siegle (Pennisi ?), Ildefonso and Menk.
 
It's not fair to compare to South Sudan because they are an "outlier" when it comes to prospects. Like what I mentioned before, they are home to the Dinka tribe which is arguably one of the best on earth when it comes to height-athleticism combination. They have an enormous pool with elite size and other better developed countries have been scouting/recruiting their best basketball players since the 90s.

On the other hand, their program is also an example of how a "targeted" development can be effective. Their program leaders (former nba players) are not trying to uplift the whole country's basketball program. With their limited resources, they are using their limited funds on their "elite of the elite." They also have a long-term outlook when it comes to development (they included 16 year old Malwach in the World Cup team).

This isn't only on Sudan tho, it could apply to other countries in Africa in which basketball isn't popular and doesn't even have half the facilities that we Filipinos have and also the pro league us Filipinos have. (Senegal, Cameroon, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana, etc.) Point is having a so called basketball culture is nothing if you don't have the pool of players with size.
 
This isn't only on Sudan tho, it could apply to other countries in Africa in which basketball isn't popular and doesn't even have half the facilities that we Filipinos have and also the pro league us Filipinos have. (Senegal, Cameroon, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana, etc.) Point is having a so called basketball culture is nothing if you don't have the pool of players with size.

Oh so you're in the "we should play other sports" camp. Yes, our fascination with basketball is illogical, but it is what it is. And if you compare it to other comparable asian countries who concentrate on futbol, we've been relatively successful in basketball compared to their success in futbol (where the whole world and most of the population is your competition).

I for one think our best chances when it comes to success is in individual sports. Team sports require a lot of organizational expertise (and funding) which we're not known for.

On the topic of African basketball, top world coaches know that if African teams get the right amount of funding and top-notch European coaching, it's game over for most other countries.

Some countries indeed have an advantage in terms of size/talent. Just look at the Bahamas, a tiny island with less than Pasig's population but they can parade a team of entirely nba players (a lot of duals though).
 
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Oh so you're in the "we should play other sports" camp. Yes, our fascination with basketball is illogical, but it is what it is. And if you compare it to other comparable asian countries who concentrate on futbol, we've been relatively successful in basketball compared to their success in futbol (where the whole world and most of the population is your competition).

I for one think our best chances when it comes to success is in individual sports. Team sports require a lot of organizational expertise (and funding) which we're not known for.


On the topic of African basketball, top world coaches know that if African teams get the right amount of funding and top-notch European coaching, it's game over for most other countries.

Some countries indeed have an advantage in terms of size/talent. Just look at the Bahamas, a tiny island with less than Pasig's population but they can parade a team of entirely nba players (a lot of duals though).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nah dude, far from it actually. It was just a bitter pill for me to swallow after the disappointing WC results of Gilas and the failure of Kai not making the NBA. It just hit me where a nation like the PH who is madly in love with basketball, complete with the facilities and all that can't even produce an NBA player with the population of 100m compare that to South Sudan with only a population of 10m produce NBA talents almost yearly.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nah dude, far from it actually. It was just a bitter pill for me to swallow after the disappointing WC results of Gilas and the failure of Kai not making the NBA. It just hit me where a nation like the PH who is madly in love with basketball, complete with the facilities and all that can't even produce an NBA player with the population of 100m compare that to South Sudan with only a population of 10m produce NBA talents almost yearly.

One way of looking at it, eventhough we have 100 million, how many 6'5+ players do we have...a hundred? Close to 7-footers...5 to 10? For them, even though their total population is much smaller, they have those size freaks by the thousand and the athleticism to match. Just look at the tiny island of Bahamas. I mentioned that they have less people than half the population of Pasig but they can parade an all-nba team. So yah, let's keep swallowing that bitter pill lol.

For what it's worth, for the people wondering if we're better off playing futbol or baseball...try playing it. Both those sports are highly technical. Meaning a lot of the skills required to excel needs to be developed really early and for a really long time. That's why world-level little league baseball and soccer youth academies exist. Grassroots in those sports is much more important than in basketball. And that is one of our main weaknesses, really young grassroots development.

Personally, I like how we're into basketball despite not being tall people. It's a lot like the Jamaican bobsled team. Kind of a defiant eff you attitude. You'll understand it more when you get a chance to play pickup basketball in the US, you get instant respect in most places no matter your size.
 
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fiba ranking already out, we’re no 38 now, Japan is no 26

https://www.fiba.basketball/rankingmen

Biggest loser in rankings among Asian teams are Korea (from 36 to 51), Taiwan (from 69 to 79) and next WC host Qatar (from 89 to 104)… Are Qatar deserve a WC automatic spot as host with that kind of ranking? While biggest winners of recent rankings are Japan (from 36 to 26), Lebanon (from 44 to 28), Bahrain (from 84 to 69) and Indonesia (from 85 to 74)… NZL almost make it to the top 20 team (no. Aq ranked team )too, while surprisingly china didn’t dropped down too much…
 
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