Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[Dotch2]

Luka is just 24 years old, unless Europeans hit their prime earlier that american players i think we can still see a prime FIBA Luka in 2027 barring any major injury, i think his game will age well as he do not rely too much on speed and athleticism , what he need to learn is to control his whining

He might skip FIBA in the summers like what Giannis and Jokic are doing. And these dudes already have NBA Rings. Luka cant play the Euros, Olympics or Worlds every summer ( no counting the qualifiers) its just too taxing.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

He might skip FIBA in the summers like what Giannis and Jokic are doing. And these dudes already have NBA Rings. Luka cant play the Euros, Olympics or Worlds every summer ( no counting the qualifiers) its just too taxing.

we'll see though he already have a good national team career by winning a major tournament with Slovenia

 

[Dotch2]

Luka in the post-game interview said he will still play the next game tomorrow

 

[The Firm2]

The question is can they sacrifice their careers in NBA just to have a long term program in USA basketball?

The thing is, they really don't need to as long as they keep winning it all (even if they have a few close games or even lose some here and there).

 

[DAdmiral2]

So just quick question, where did majority of players from
1. CANADA
2. GERMANY
3. Slovenia
Play from 19 years old onwards (college age), ? Domestically? And if Domestically what is the level of their Domestic league exposure (Div1, Euro league?)​

 

[TheRodster212]

So just quick question, where did majority of players from
1. CANADA
2. GERMANY
3. Slovenia
Play from 19 years old onwards (college age), ? Domestically? And if Domestically what is the level of their Domestic league exposure (Div1, Euro league?)​

with Canada for high school, some stay in Canada and some play in the states for prep teams, but one advantage for Canada, the close proximity to the states so a common factor is all of them at some point played AAU basketball in the US which lets them go against high competition as well as gives exposure. All of them end up going to college in the states.

 

[DAdmiral2]

with Canada for high school, some stay in Canada and some play in the states for prep teams, but one advantage for Canada, the close proximity to the states so a common factor is all of them at some point played AAU basketball in the US which lets them go against high competition as well as gives exposure. All of them end up going to college in the states.

At some point , Philippines top high school graduating prospects will be offered "academy like offers in major Asian overseas leagues . (These offers $50 a year with education wil be too good to refuse (unless a Philippine law is made to ban this ) . The exposure will be much better and appropriate. And will produce better FIBA players .
as you can see this change in landscape will be hard to accept by Philippine stakeholders who will lose commercial money and control

 

[CoJ2]

lol at Jimmy Buckets

 

[Metta2]

At some point , Philippines top high school graduating prospects will be offered "academy like offers in major Asian overseas leagues . (These offers $50 a year with education wil be too good to refuse (unless a Philippine law is made to ban this ) . The exposure will be much better and appropriate. And will produce better FIBA players .
as you can see this change in landscape will be hard to accept by Philippine stakeholders who will lose commercial money and control

Do you think this will only be for fiba-eligible? Ethnic Japan, Korea and China has so many good players in the US. I don't know how difficult it would be for them to get passports (especially Japan) but if it's easy like for Fil-ams, there's a considerable amount of D2/D3 even low D1-quality Asian players in the US. This will also really interest the Fil-ams who might otherwise stay in the US.

 

[ja.he2]

lol at Jimmy Buckets

His screws are loose again. Hehe

The 2016 Olympic team, where he was included, showed some cracks already. Had a hard time against Australia, Serbia, France and Spain. Too bad, the likes of Gobert and Jokic were not yet reaching their peak that time.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Do you think this will only be for fiba-eligible? Ethnic Japan, Korea and China has so many good players in the US. I don't know how difficult it would be for them to get passports (especially Japan) but if it's easy like for Fil-ams, there's a considerable amount of D2/D3 even low D1-quality Asian players in the US. This will also really interest the Fil-ams who might otherwise stay in the US.

For B league, yes likely for just eligible,
but yes to your point on Div1, 2 and 3, the next improvement step is get Fil ams , Fil candians , passports by 16 years old, and let them develop in US colleges .

Then every US summer , hold a 2 week camp of best US base eligible prospects, to introduce same team systems

The main point here , is like evey successfull NT, our pipeline of eligible players should be developed and exposed to US Div 1 level type basketball (can be in Europe or Australia)

It's no surprise our best 3 players, Clarkson, Dwight and AJ are exposed and developed in same Div1.
NO Need to reinvent the wheel.

 

[reamily2]

For B league, yes likely for just eligible,
but yes to your point on Div1, 2 and 3, the next improvement step is get Fil ams , Fil candians , passports by 16 years old, and let them develop in US colleges .

Then every US summer , hold a 2 week camp of best US base eligible prospects, to introduce same team systems

The main point here , is like evey successfull NT, our pipeline of eligible players should be developed and exposed to US Div 1 level type basketball (can be in Europe or Australia)

It's no surprise our best 3 players, Clarkson, Dwight and AJ are exposed and developed in same Div1.
NO Need to reinvent the wheel.

He is adiv. 1.. div 1 ball hog analyzed..If you look also Jamie Orme ia div 1 talent also and he wasnt even utilized fully ..

 

[zuma1692]

before talking easily about our kids having foreign exposure and all, and just disregarding local leagues high school, college and PBA professional, let us not take away basketball as a way of life and religion in the Philippines.. basketball is life here in the country.. yes you may say we too much pride for it.. but regardless, basketball is valuable and very dear to the Philippines.. a lot of you laugh and ridicule chot reyes, including me when he said "sa Pilipinas bawal matalo sa basketball eh"... but deep inside that is the truth... any loss whether it is from a basketball powerhouse or whatnot, pains us very much.. bawal talaga matalo sa basketball because if we lose in basketball, it is as if we lost in life.. that is why basketball is a way of life here..

and having the PBA, one of the more established leagues in the world (i didn't say prestigious, i said established there is a difference) with more than 40 years of existence, plus the NCAA and UAAP having been here longer than the PBA, we cannot just put them aside like paper crumpled to be thrown in the trash can.. YES DEVELOPMENTS ARE NEEDED IN ALL OUR LEAGUES ASAP!!! but solving our problem of having a successful NT program by escaping and shunning away our own leagues is like avoiding problems rather than facing them..

no matter how hard we try clamping on our basketball stakeholders PBA, UAAP, NCAA, etc.. even falling on deaf ears.. we shouldn't stop and even try harder.. buhay natin yan.. we just need to be extra patient.. we need to find a way to combine commercialism and development.. there is a way.. might not be now, but eventually we will find a way..

BUT there is no harm, in fact it is a requirement for us to have players with foreign exposure and development, even reaching the NBA, Euro leagues, even NBL to have a more successful NT and program.. but not as if the whole composition of the program consists of foreign based players..

 

[zuma1692]

iba din ang dinadalang nerves and pressure in the UAAP/NCAA... in my opinion nga, there is more pressure in the UAAP/NCAA than in the PBA.. to be able to perform well in a jampacked Araneta Coliseum/MOA at a very young age? with all eyes on you to win it all?

skill development is nothing if you can't translate it in the big spotlight.. ung iba dinadaga talaga..

but I do recognize skill development for FIBA level, malayo pa talaga tayo.. so foreign exposure is still a must, but we also must do our house cleaning at wag pabayaan na lang..

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

For B league, yes likely for just eligible,
but yes to your point on Div1, 2 and 3, the next improvement step is get Fil ams , Fil candians , passports by 16 years old, and let them develop in US colleges .

Then every US summer , hold a 2 week camp of best US base eligible prospects, to introduce same team systems

The main point here , is like evey successfull NT, our pipeline of eligible players should be developed and exposed to US Div 1 level type basketball (can be in Europe or Australia)

It's no surprise our best 3 players, Clarkson, Dwight and AJ are exposed and developed in same Div1.
NO Need to reinvent the wheel.

Sir Dave,

I totally agreed with your plan proposal.

I hope your good group may somehow provide an accredited personnel(certainly the national federation must pitch in something) to the family of those prospects as far as legworks are concern, this is to avoid previous reaction/impression from several families that working to obtain PH passport is very tedious/time consuming as per Ron Sr. during his several interviews why his sons hasn’t obtain the document during those very important time(high school years), I think same issue(s) raised by the QMB’s and Holt’s at that time.

It’s all about covering all possible bases here.

Thank you.​

 

[ja.he2]

before talking easily about our kids having foreign exposure and all, and just disregarding local leagues high school, college and PBA professional, let us not take away basketball as a way of life and religion in the Philippines.. basketball is life here in the country.. yes you may say we too much pride for it.. but regardless, basketball is valuable and very dear to the Philippines.. a lot of you laugh and ridicule chot reyes, including me when he said "sa Pilipinas bawal matalo sa basketball eh"... but deep inside that is the truth... any loss whether it is from a basketball powerhouse or whatnot, pains us very much.. bawal talaga matalo sa basketball because if we lose in basketball, it is as if we lost in life.. that is why basketball is a way of life here..

and having the PBA, one of the more established leagues in the world (i didn't say prestigious, i said established there is a difference) with more than 40 years of existence, plus the NCAA and UAAP having been here longer than the PBA, we cannot just put them aside like paper crumpled to be thrown in the trash can.. YES DEVELOPMENTS ARE NEEDED IN ALL OUR LEAGUES ASAP!!! but solving our problem of having a successful NT program by escaping and shunning away our own leagues is like avoiding problems rather than facing them..

no matter how hard we try clamping on our basketball stakeholders PBA, UAAP, NCAA, etc.. even falling on deaf ears.. we shouldn't stop and even try harder.. buhay natin yan.. we just need to be extra patient.. we need to find a way to combine commercialism and development.. there is a way.. might not be now, but eventually we will find a way..

BUT there is no harm, in fact it is a requirement for us to have players with foreign exposure and development, even reaching the NBA, Euro leagues, even NBL to have a more successful NT and program.. but not as if the whole composition of the program consists of foreign based players..

Then if we don't intend to send our players overseas, then bring a higher level of competition here. Elevate the level of competition in Philippine leagues. However, policies are too restrictive and protective it stiffles the competition.

 

[reamily2]

Doable sana yun Dominica's pipeline was Memphis this summer why we cant have alliances with Big West (Hawaii, California universities like UC Riverside) and have a tour there.. even sacrificing Asai cup or jones cup to have these a possibility..or we do a shrt cut have a training camp with new zealand national team..

If youre ambitious enough I will make Alab Pilipinas (masking Gilas) as a expansion team in Australa NBL ala New Zealand Breakers

Imagine this core team compose of Alab plus Bleague, PBA teams handle their business in easl if they win good if they dont they try to improve.. make Alab a guest pba team as nbl season ends early..

 

[DAdmiral2]

No one is suggesting scraping UAAP college, ( they are a valuable piece to the basketball eco system).

What I am suggesting that similar to all successful NT programs, the mindset target of training high school players domestically is to secure a div 1 college or overseas club academy offer . This totally changes the focus of domestic High school exposure , from winning for HS and future college program, to developing appropriate skilled tall players who can play perimeter positions to make Div1 or Euro club academy. (E.g all 6'5 below players train exclusively as guards , plus they play vs PBA pros not their HS uhdersize colleagues).

Obviously those who don't make it (Div1) etc , settle with the UAAP. if onky say 5 per year make it overseas, then you have a steady pipeline every yrsr year for FIBA appropriate players .
this is essentially what Japan is doing now, and it's working

 

[DAdmiral2]

Sir Dave,

I totally agreed with your plan proposal.

I hope your good group may somehow provide an accredited personnel(certainly the national federation must pitch in something) to the family of those prospects as far as legworks are concern, this is to avoid previous reaction/impression from several families that working to obtain PH passport is very tedious/time consuming as per Ron Sr. during his several interviews why his sons hasn’t obtain the document during those very important time(high school years), I think same issue(s) raised by the QMB’s and Holt’s at that time.

It’s all about covering all possible bases here.

Thank you.​

This is essentially what Jeffrey Cheng Filipinas did , he fast track processing of passport, (getting support of government), of course for FIBA we would target U16 to process passport. Yes it's a gamble as 16 year olds are not yet proven, but if just 1 out of 3 pan out , that's well worth the gamble investment

 

[Rds2]

iba din ang dinadalang nerves and pressure in the UAAP/NCAA... in my opinion nga, there is more pressure in the UAAP/NCAA than in the PBA.. to be able to perform well in a jampacked Araneta Coliseum/MOA at a very young age? with all eyes on you to win it all?

skill development is nothing if you can't translate it in the big spotlight.. ung iba dinadaga talaga..

but I do recognize skill development for FIBA level, malayo pa talaga tayo.. so foreign exposure is still a must, but we also must do our house cleaning at wag pabayaan na lang..

My idea is how about allowing FSAs in HS, particularly in Senior High teams? We already have some young prospect FSAs who studied or are studying part of HS here in preparation for being an FSA in college. Why not allow them to play in Senior High?

My idea is this. We are already seeing the effects of FSAs in UAAP in terms of producing internationally attractive players. These athletes learn how to play with and against height and length because of the influence of 6'9 to 6'11 FSAs. Why not do this for senior high? We have Pablo and Gagate adjusting to FSAs in college. What if there was an FSA in their HS team? Then Pablo and Gagate could have been full fledged modern 4s with probably outside shooting and some lateral speed?

In U18 comps they would not struggle against superior height/length. More importantly, they are able to adjust to their international size appropriate position earlier. This will make them more attractive to US schools. In this way we might replicate the US NCAA pipeline of JP or SK.