Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[CoJ2]

stupid question,but do you guys think that our FIBA ranking will improve since we finished 24th in the World Cup in comparison to the 32nd finish last 2019. Though we did screw up the FIBA Asia Cup

 

[CoJ2]

Cstan with a patama to those who got paid by GIlas

"(Scottie Thompson) left his newborn baby and (flew) to Europe to practice twice a day, (was) always available to play for the country with no incentives needed, injured his hand in Gilas practice, rushed back to play in the World Cup (and risked) his health," Standhardinger said.

link:

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...LVPM-IB0tCehiGon2PIaCDUQIx5QkFC2FGLcxr8Tnr8i0

 

[Rds2]

That bading is probably an investor of China, Japan, Korea or any Southeast Asian NT actively working on sabotaging the Philippines basketball program with his nonsense bading propaganda.

Just noting that I agree with your opinion but I think saying bading is prejudiced. I mean if you mean his weak or something go ahead but I don't think being homosexual has anything to do with it.

 

[zuma1692]

Cstan with a patama to those who got paid by GIlas

"(Scottie Thompson) left his newborn baby and (flew) to Europe to practice twice a day, (was) always available to play for the country with no incentives needed, injured his hand in Gilas practice, rushed back to play in the World Cup (and risked) his health," Standhardinger said.

link:

https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba...LVPM-IB0tCehiGon2PIaCDUQIx5QkFC2FGLcxr8Tnr8i0

haha.. I do understand and get Jordan Clarkson being paid.. besides he really didn't grow up here but really promotes himself being Filipino..

but the other one? our only 7'3" player... that is a different story.. not an NBA player, contracted to play in Japan just like some of our buddies (Kiefer, Edu, Dwight, etc..).. basically grew up here in our country.. and yet needed a contract to play for our national team... hayyy naku... but I may not be in the know, baka naman the other foreign based players mainly from Japan, baka naman they had contracts as well..

I wonder if Luka Doncic has a contract with his national team to play for them and be paid..

 

[Rds2]

He will lose to a pba lineup for the forseeable future for sure but you're a bading with low iq who doesn't know what development means so why should your inputs matter? Go back to GGV and Boy Abunda, that's more your speed.

Dont know much about their players but if he creates a pool of tall players and develops them, just like with Gilas 2021 our PBA Pinas team might be in trouble. I really like Tab for developing some of our players. I just hope that if anything we learn this lesson. We need to develop defensively decent positional size appropriate players. Even young Pros can be trained to go down a "smaller" position if given the time. Just think how good CJ couldve been if he was allowed to stay in Tab's pool. Even Tungcab developed some guard skills after just being a strictly defensive player in college.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

haha.. I do understand and get Jordan Clarkson being paid.. besides he really didn't grow up here but really promotes himself being Filipino..

but the other one? our only 7'3" player... that is a different story.. not an NBA player, contracted to play in Japan just like some of our buddies (Kiefer, Edu, Dwight, etc..).. basically grew up here in our country.. and yet needed a contract to play for our national team... hayyy naku... but I may not be in the know, baka naman the other foreign based players mainly from Japan, baka naman they had contracts as well..

I wonder if Luka Doncic has a contract with his national team to play for them and be paid..

All of them are payed… no free services right now… but it depends how much also depends the level of your game…

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I’m curious right now in new fiba rankings that they will post after the World Cup… who do you think their rankings will go up? Or go down? I guess australia might go down since they didn’t enter QF this year, while Iran might go down further after disappointing performance this World Cup, although since the 8 year cycle still effect on Iran’s participation last 2021 Olympics, they will still within top 30, China might go down more, especially their last stint at 2016 Olympics will be erase next year in 8 year cycle by fiba rankings, NZL might be steady in their fiba rankings… Japan will go up and might enter top 25 teams in the world rankings today… while Philippines, Jordan and Lebanon might go up as well but not as big as Japan… Korea will surely go down further after continuous withdrawal from fiba sanctioned tournaments… while Bahrain will go up as well after they won the Asian pre OQT tournament last month… Taipei will go down further more after missing pre OQT last month… KSA, Indonesia and Kazakhstan might having little effects on fiba rankings…

 

[DAdmiral2]

As long as there is long term development process and a clear mandate , Tab would be interested in such a role.
what people don't understand is Tab is not in it , for simply winning, he is interested in the process of developing that results in winning.
he once told me he is useless if he is simply tasked to cosch Blatche, ( who doesn't need coaching).

If Tab becomes a peogram development director of Indonesia he may actually like the role , and would care.less if it results in wins or loses , provided he is making an impact to improving development. So success is relative to where he starts from.
remember he coached Malysia, Lebanon and Jordan, who all were not good teams to begin with, and neither was Nz when he started.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

It's gonna take YEARS for us to find another Jayson Castro/Jimmy Alapag. Remember, these two were already seasoned veterans in the PBA before they got the keys to Gilas' offense.

The successor would've been Romeo but he's not a facilitator at all. He's a volume shooter.

Could be RJ or SJ but they are too small.

Best bet we have to take the reins is Robert Bolick. He is gonna grow A LOT in the BLeague. Gonna get paid, play FIBA rules all year, gonna get his body right, and he's gonna get his reps against BETTER competition.

But if we fast track this process of finding the next Jason/Jimmy... then find ways and pull some strings to make Sedrick Barefield eligible. Imagine Bolick and Barefield sharing minutes in the point guard spot, we can slide JC/Abando at 2, Dwight/William Navarro at 3, Carl/AJ at 4, Kai at 5.

Schonny Winston also has potential but he needs more reps as a PRO. Juan GDL could also play 1, and I hope he matures in the KBL like SJ & RJ... if he learns to integrate his NBA playstyle to a real competitive basketball league like the KBL sky's the limit for him.

Jerom Lastimosa also... Trae Young type of point guard. Knows when to shoot, and when to involve his teammates. He's gonna shoot when you sag and he's gonna make you pay for giving him space. Complete player in my opinion, just needs to develop his thin frame. We've only seen him operate in the UAAP though, so let's wait til he showcases his wares abroad.

so now, our top prospects for the point guard position:

1. Robert Bolick
2. Sedrick Barefield (cheat code)
3. Juan GDL
4. Schonny Winston
5. Jerom Lastimosa
5. RJ Abbarientos
6. SJ Belangel

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Sir,
Honestly, I am not totally sold about having an undersize PG if were talking about the Asian level here, there’s no doubt 5’8 RJ and 5’10 SJ had the international skills depending on who’s who in the matchup, if were up against the likes of 5’6 Yuki Togashi and 5’8 Yuki Kawamura of the Akatsuki and the PG of SK, CTE, IND and the rest of our SEA neighbors somehow we could compete on them despite JAP and SK had a better system but if our matchup is about Arakji of LEB, Guo of CHN and the rest of West Asia team we are indeed in a handicap for the no. 1 position.

Now if we pitted against World Cup level team, that’s another match-up challenge we need figure it out.

There is no argument with the likes of( all w/o shoes) 5’9 Jose Alvarado and 5’10 Tremont Waters of Puerto Rico, 5’10 Carlik Jones of SSD, 5’6 Childer Dundao of Angola and 5’10 Yago Santos are the blueprint of an undersize(below 6’0) PG. the real deal on those “It It ballers” is that they are built like a mini dynamo and from the moment they are born they’ve already surrounded by giants compared to our local bred and I think based on my observation being fleet footed(Same with those two Yuki of the akatsukis), the possibility of playing football as the other sports discipline during their toddler years also contributed some advantage once they’ve concentrated more on playing basketball growing up(adolescent years).​

 

[DAdmiral2]

3 years ago they’re criticizing Coach Tab Baldwin's comment: now read it again. Isn't he actually correct..?

Coach Tab: I think the thing that probably surprised me the most is also the thing that annoys me the most. And I don't think that it is absolutely our coaches' fault. Which means its correctable. And I don't even think it is the hierarchy of coaches which I think bears some responsibility for what I am going to say but not entirely.

So, the biggest thing that annoys me and I think the biggest surprise to me is the tactical immaturity of Philippine basketball coaches. And... So what do I mean by that, I mean that.. that, they are significantly unaware of the tactical advancement and the systemic advance of coaches' systems coming out of Europe in particular. Which you know, ahhh.. are built on the back of player development.

So, our player development here is immature and our appreciation for... tactical advancement and tactical systems is immature. Now let me explain to you why I think that is not necessarily the coaches' fault... as an industry here...

We have one major major flaw in the basketball landscape of the Philippines and its a regulatory flaw. And that is in the PBA, we have three conferences. Two of those conferences are single-import conferences. This is a big mistake. We should never have a single-import play on the team.

Further, we should never have a single-import that is given of all the rules-latitude that the import was given here by the referees and by the administration of the PBA and I do believe that it is based in the desire to have superstars. As a marketing tool for the PBA and of course, the imports that come here are so very outstanding players and they become superstars because of their statistical performance... so many.. examples, situations.

So, I.. the question that this begs to me, why aren't these guys, superstars, in bigger leagues and leagues where they can play 10 months a year and earn, significantly greater salaries over the course of the year than they earn here? Why aren't they?

And the reason is they aren't given the regulatory advantages by the referees that they are given here. So, in other words, putting it on layman terms, a foul for a PBA player, or for a local player, isn't a foul on an import.

And the foul of an import, that same foul on the local players, isn't a foul. So, our local players are competitively disadvantaged in their ability to compete against the import players. This is not the case in other countries. And you ask yourself why one PBA coach after another when they start their games, 48-minute games, they don't match-up the imports against one another. Why is that?

Well, it is tactically smart, tactically sound, because they can afford the fouls cause they know the import produce so much offense for their teams. but that's not so bad is the fact, and this gets back to my original point, gets back to the fact that if you are a PBA coaching you don't tactically run your systems through the import, you're pretty stupid! Because they are given all the advantages.

So, PBA coaches are smart lad. They are good basketball coaches. but they could be much better if they were forced to coach much more, I believed. I think then, they would show their real talents. But I think that, because of the way our imports are treated here, it is not sound thinking for a coach to not exploit what is obvious to every PBA coach and that is to run your offensive systems through your import. Because you get an extra-ordinary numbers of free-throws through the imports. You get an extra-ordinary number of easy basket opportunities through the import. And you get an extra-ordinary numbers situation, where the local players literally get out of the way of the imports.

And so, you know, I think that system... It creates a fault landscape for our basketball coaches and our basketball players and I think it needs to change, sooner rather than later.

- Coach Tab Baldwin​

 

[Kaireem2]

you werent happy when people was hating on CCR but now it looks like you are hating on CTB? so i guess difference in preferred NT coach?

did i call tab names? the haters i was referring to are those who called chot names and hurled invectives at him - things that are beyond criticism and have gone below the belt and are already foul.

and i did say that it is understandable for people to criticize but it becomes hatred when not only it is below the belt but if it goes on forever and becomes worse everyday.

and my post is still objective since we all know local vs local indonesia won't beat us, the main reason they won in vietnam was because they had a naturalized player in bolden and we didn't. tab still needs talent to win and he doesn't have the same talent here in indonesia for sure.

is my post foul? what's wrong with saying he'll get embarrassed by gilas if they end up facing each other?

wasn't it discussed here that sbp doesnt see eye to eye with tab? so is it not plausible that sbp will do everything and pull out all the stops when they face him and indonesia?

assuming of course the reports are reliable

 

[Kaireem2]

when someone is forced to resort to using foul language, derogatory terms, discrimination or all of the above you knew you already won against them

 

[Marsh Mello2]

Pay no mind to the troll. All I can say is Coach chot disappointed. One with two good eyes and a functional basketball mind would see that. haha

 

[Marsh Mello2]

Lithuania looking deflated against Serbia. Law of averages catching up to them this time.
kudos for Serbia for making tough shots and making it hard for Lithuanians to score all game.

 

[Rds2]

3 years ago they’re criticizing Coach Tab Baldwin's comment: now read it again. Isn't he actually correct..?

Coach Tab: I think the thing that probably surprised me the most is also the thing that annoys me the most. And I don't think that it is absolutely our coaches' fault. Which means its correctable. And I don't even think it is the hierarchy of coaches which I think bears some responsibility for what I am going to say but not entirely.

So, the biggest thing that annoys me and I think the biggest surprise to me is the tactical immaturity of Philippine basketball coaches. And... So what do I mean by that, I mean that.. that, they are significantly unaware of the tactical advancement and the systemic advance of coaches' systems coming out of Europe in particular. Which you know, ahhh.. are built on the back of player development.

So, our player development here is immature and our appreciation for... tactical advancement and tactical systems is immature. Now let me explain to you why I think that is not necessarily the coaches' fault... as an industry here...

We have one major major flaw in the basketball landscape of the Philippines and its a regulatory flaw. And that is in the PBA, we have three conferences. Two of those conferences are single-import conferences. This is a big mistake. We should never have a single-import play on the team.

Further, we should never have a single-import that is given of all the rules-latitude that the import was given here by the referees and by the administration of the PBA and I do believe that it is based in the desire to have superstars. As a marketing tool for the PBA and of course, the imports that come here are so very outstanding players and they become superstars because of their statistical performance... so many.. examples, situations.

So, I.. the question that this begs to me, why aren't these guys, superstars, in bigger leagues and leagues where they can play 10 months a year and earn, significantly greater salaries over the course of the year than they earn here? Why aren't they?

And the reason is they aren't given the regulatory advantages by the referees that they are given here. So, in other words, putting it on layman terms, a foul for a PBA player, or for a local player, isn't a foul on an import.

And the foul of an import, that same foul on the local players, isn't a foul. So, our local players are competitively disadvantaged in their ability to compete against the import players. This is not the case in other countries. And you ask yourself why one PBA coach after another when they start their games, 48-minute games, they don't match-up the imports against one another. Why is that?

Well, it is tactically smart, tactically sound, because they can afford the fouls cause they know the import produce so much offense for their teams. but that's not so bad is the fact, and this gets back to my original point, gets back to the fact that if you are a PBA coaching you don't tactically run your systems through the import, you're pretty stupid! Because they are given all the advantages.

So, PBA coaches are smart lad. They are good basketball coaches. but they could be much better if they were forced to coach much more, I believed. I think then, they would show their real talents. But I think that, because of the way our imports are treated here, it is not sound thinking for a coach to not exploit what is obvious to every PBA coach and that is to run your offensive systems through your import. Because you get an extra-ordinary numbers of free-throws through the imports. You get an extra-ordinary number of easy basket opportunities through the import. And you get an extra-ordinary numbers situation, where the local players literally get out of the way of the imports.

And so, you know, I think that system... It creates a fault landscape for our basketball coaches and our basketball players and I think it needs to change, sooner rather than later.

- Coach Tab Baldwin​

I agree with Tab.

1. lack of focus in player development
2. too dependent on imports that get special calls on fouls. i will add that this also prevents locals from learning what level of physical defense is accepted. They can't apply honest physical defense on imports. While the physical defense on locals is too much or too handsy by Fiba standards

 

[Silent Killer2]

amazing shooting for serbians..

 

[Rds2]

Sir,
Honestly, I am not totally sold about having an undersize PG if were talking about the Asian level here, there’s no doubt 5’8 RJ and 5’10 SJ had the international skills depending on who’s who in the matchup, if were up against the likes of 5’6 Yuki Togashi and 5’8 Yuki Kawamura of the Akatsuki and the PG of SK, CTE, IND and the rest of our SEA neighbors somehow we could compete on them despite JAP and SK had a better system but if our matchup is about Arakji of LEB, Guo of CHN and the rest of West Asia team we are indeed in a handicap for the no. 1 position.

Now if we pitted against World Cup level team, that’s another match-up challenge we need figure it out.

There is no argument with the likes of( all w/o shoes) 5’9 Jose Alvarado and 5’10 Tremont Waters of Puerto Rico, 5’10 Carlik Jones of SSD, 5’6 Childer Dundao of Angola and 5’10 Yago Santos are the blueprint of an undersize(below 6’0) PG. the real deal on those “It It ballers” is that they are built like a mini dynamo and from the moment they are born they’ve already surrounded by giants compared to our local bred and I think based on my observation being fleet footed(Same with those two Yuki of the akatsukis), the possibility of playing football as the other sports discipline during their toddler years also contributed some advantage once they’ve concentrated more on playing basketball growing up(adolescent years).​

Unlimited height imports is a good way of exposing players to international level heights. The best examples are the UAAP players. These guys play against 6'9 to 6'11 imports that are fast, athletic and have a long wingspan. The effect is that the tall locals and Filfors typically play PF and SF. So you dont only have 6'9-6'11 centers. You get 6'6-6'8 PFs and 6'4-6'6 SFs. So the guards are pretty used to playing with and against taller players across the board.

 

[Silent Killer2]

From Twitter

Justine Bacnis

I just find it absurd that some local coaches are now batting for foreigners for the Gilas coaching job, knowing that some of these dudes lambasted the shit out of Tab when he offered his first impression on Pinoy coaches back in 2020

 

[bluenote492]

3 years ago they’re criticizing Coach Tab Baldwin's comment: now read it again. Isn't he actually correct..?

So, the biggest thing that annoys me and I think the biggest surprise to me is the tactical immaturity of Philippine basketball coaches. ;

Boy Sikip, Long Hair, Kalbo, SBP, and Quinito probably only cared about that statement from the TAB interview. By the way is Tab Baldwin really moving to Indonesia, possibly after this UAAP season?
​

 

[Silent Killer2]

Serbia 87
Lithuania 68

Bogdanovic 21 pts 4 rebounds 3 assists
Petrusev 17 pts 6 rebounds 2 assists