Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[zuma1692]

In hindsight, chot’s system of play is predicated on trusted and heady lead guards. For his success in 2013-2014 he turned to castro,alapag whom he trusted being talk n text players and tenorio who we all know has a very high iq for the game. Not to mention mental toughness.. that is his MO.. and he knew he was not a defensive guy so he turned to tab baldwin as consultant for defense. And the rest was history.

this time i have never felt his connection with scottie and cj perez.. kiefer ravena on the other hand is a very intelligent player bit for me is lacking in all skill aspects compared to castro alapag and tenorio.. that is why suntok sa buwan na lang he went with clarkson hoping that his nba experience is good enough for the lead guard role. But turned out the opposite and failed ultimately. Becaise how will you trust someone who just came in 3 weeks before the tournament and had full practice almost 1 week before the tournament. Recipe for disaster talaga..

 

[greenarcher2]

C’mon man, give credit where credit is due. He brought us to the World cup for the first time in a lot of years back in 2013-2014 and first win against senegal in that world cup. Probably we wouldn’t be in this position going to world events (world cup, oqt) if it weren’t for him.

tama nga you are only as good as your last game. Sadly for him it was an utter humiliating failure.. kaya nakalimutan na un..

If HE was the biggest factor in those victories, he wouldn't have such a hard time replicating them right?

The fact that he has been a downward spiral since the retirement of key players from those early success only points to one thing... Even elementary kids can draw the conclusion.

It's not about "you are only as good as your last game". It's about consistency. A REALLY good coach with professional players wouldn't have lost to Indonesia.

In hindsight, chot’s system of play is predicated on trusted and heady lead guards. For his success in 2013-2014 he turned to castro,alapag whom he trusted being talk n text players and tenorio who we all know has a very high iq for the game. Not to mention mental toughness.. that is his MO.. and he knew he was not a defensive guy so he turned to tab baldwin as consultant for defense. And the rest was history.

this time i have never felt his connection with scottie and cj perez.. kiefer ravena on the other hand is a very intelligent player bit for me is lacking in all skill aspects compared to castro alapag and tenorio.. that is why suntok sa buwan na lang he went with clarkson hoping that his nba experience is good enough for the lead guard role. But turned out the opposite and failed ultimately. Becaise how will you trust someone who just came in 3 weeks before the tournament and had full practice almost 1 week before the tournament. Recipe for disaster talaga..

​How much time did he had to choose his pool and players again? YEARS. He and SBP did nothing to come up with a roster that revolves around his style.

And this proves my point that he is just a small factor in those 2013-2014 wins. His players carried him. Not his brains.

 

[GoPilipinas2]

C’mon man, give credit where credit is due. He brought us to the World cup for the first time in a lot of years back in 2013-2014 and first win against senegal in that world cup. Probably we wouldn’t be in this position going to world events (world cup, oqt) if it weren’t for him.

tama nga you are only as good as your last game. Sadly for him it was an utter humiliating failure.. kaya nakalimutan na un..

I was the only few member here that supported chot i dislike his personality, i hates all his drama but i still supported him because he did achieve some accomplishment and i used to believe he is the right coach for gilas. but when the brawl happened i really thought that's it he won't be back ever again. but to our surprise he got back! i had enough i hated his drama even more.

And now they blaming the fans i hate them even more!

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

In hindsight, chot’s system of play is predicated on trusted and heady lead guards. For his success in 2013-2014 he turned to castro,alapag whom he trusted being talk n text players and tenorio who we all know has a very high iq for the game. Not to mention mental toughness.. that is his MO.. and he knew he was not a defensive guy so he turned to tab baldwin as consultant for defense. And the rest was history.

this time i have never felt his connection with scottie and cj perez.. kiefer ravena on the other hand is a very intelligent player bit for me is lacking in all skill aspects compared to castro alapag and tenorio.. that is why suntok sa buwan na lang he went with clarkson hoping that his nba experience is good enough for the lead guard role. But turned out the opposite and failed ultimately. Becaise how will you trust someone who just came in 3 weeks before the tournament and had full practice almost 1 week before the tournament. Recipe for disaster talaga..

Perez is a different kind of scorer than Castro as Castro can both score and make plays for other, Scottie from college to pros plays with the triangle system which is very methodical and the opposite of what Chot is trying to run hence the fit is bad, if castro is younger and williams is eligble for sure he will bring them instead of pogoy and might not choose scottie and cj

 

[greenarcher2]

Perez is a different kind of scorer than Castro as Castro can both score and make plays for other, Scottie from college to pros plays with the triangle system which is very methodical and the opposite of what Chot is trying to run hence the fit is bad, if castro is younger and williams is eligble for sure he will bring them instead of pogoy and might not choose scottie and cj

Which means Choke can't be successful without a Jayson Castro on his team. Without a leader like Jimmy Alapag. Without the IQ, physicality, gulang and outside shooting of RDO.

Imagine if coaches abroad demanded specific kinds of players for them to be successful. Sa kangkungan sila pupulutin and they will be jobless in an instant.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

I just realized saying he(Chot) brought us to those close calls in 2014 leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. The man was replaceable and it would've brought home the same or better result had a better personnel has been chosen for his position

 

[zuma1692]

Your praises right from the beginning until now always ended with pahabols contradicting that so-called praise. Just like Choke's sorry not sorry statements. LOL

Iran and China ruled Asia for the longest time but I don't remember anyone nitpicking their system, their strategy or waiting intently for their style to fail them. Just you and your Japan. We were Korea's b|tches for God knows how long but nobody wished them to fail. At least not here in IBN. You're the only one here who insists on Japan's "ineffective" style and who still insists on being right even after they clinched the Olympic slot when the problem our team is facing is the SBP, not Japan.

Yes we OUGHT TO BE better than them but until we translate that on the hardcourt? Don't downplay their achievements with your asterisk-ridden praises. If we do everything right, nobody will care what system they run. It's about us, not them, not other countries.

Ok first i apologize to many here if that is your i by interpretation of what i said. It seems that i was disrespecting japan and their success now. Because truly i am happy for them because they proved that they particiapated in the Olympics last time is not just because of their hosting but because they belong.

i may have sounded nitpicking or disclaiming their worth because of envy. Yes i am so envious of what they have right now. Sino ba hindi. Aminado ako. And all of you i am pretty sure is jealous. And why am i jealous because i think we should be there as well. We could have but we failed. And they did. We failed because of poor management that resulted with a poor coach.

but with that i still stand by what i said. That japan really didnt change the way they play. Tom hovasse just presented the best and probably can still be better version of Japan. And until somebody figures them
out they will be number 1 in asia not including oceania. I dont think what i said discredits them.

but what i said before cge i do recognize it may sound as if i am discrediting Japan. So i apologize. I think wishing them to fail may be harsh. That may have been because of my huge envy. I think that is a natural feeling to be envious about something so good. But yes my apologies for the harsh failure comments. Envy can be a bad thing.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

Which means Choke can't be successful without a Jayson Castro on his team. Without a leader like Jimmy Alapag. Without the IQ, physicality, gulang and outside shooting of RDO.

Imagine if coaches abroad demanded specific kinds of players for them to be successful. Sa kangkungan sila pupulutin and they will be jobless in an instant.

Just like Tim Cone he need particular sets of players to make his system work but the difference is he can also adjust on what pieces that he have, the only thing i don't like about him is by restricting his team to shoot three balls and by not focusing too much in defending the 3 and with how basketball is being played today defending the 3 is a must, no wonder most of his series defeats were against a team that shoot and made a lot of threes

 

[lebanese NT2]

The shift of power in Asian basketball is already seen… Japan is already the best in asia right now… take note, No Rui Hachimura there but they won 3 out of 5 games… I see Lebanon is the 2nd best Asian team right now… with arakji considered today as best Asian player (w/o NBA guys) outside Asian descent NBA players… they can change spellman anytime with better NP that has discipline on his body… Korea, Jordan and Philippines will fight for 3-5 rank teams in asia… Iran and China now in transition.. so they might go down right now in Asian basketball scene.. Zhou qi become disappointment in China basketball, wang zhelin become useless and Guo was politicise there inside the CBA, the reason he was not there.. while Iran will struggle in post haddadi era… one team should be look out for in next fiba wc cycle for 2027, the Bahrain team… remember they beat Lebanon in their tune up game and they all beat mid tier Asian teams in all blowout fashion… they will join the party there and will beat all Asian teams…

you may say i am biased cause i am Lebanese but i disagree about Japan being first . Lebanon can beat them. They lost in the Asian cup with the same roster but different Naturalized player to an aging and declining Iran by a big margin and then Iran got humiliated by Jordan. If Japan were in Lebanon group playing against canada, Latvia and France they would have been decimated. They ended up playing the classification games against 2 of the worst teams in the tournament as well. They just got lucky due to being hosts and good draw. Until next Fiba Asia in my opinion Lebanon is still the best Asian team outside of New zealand and Australia.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

I just realized saying he(Chot) brought us to those close calls in 2014 leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. The man was replaceable and it would've brought home the same or better result had a better personnel has been chosen for his position

it just so happened that Chot has a big ego and was able to forge a good relationship with the main sponsor ,as he is the coach that made TNT relevant and successful during the dark times of SMC, though nothing is sweeter when their grandslam bid was slammed by Petron, i remember him choosing them over Ginebra thinking that they were the easier opponent by deliberately losing against Petron in the single round robin semis for Petron to steal the better quotient from Ginebra, only to get beaten by and old Danny Ildefonso and co, that was also the series when Mark Yee poke Petron's import in his asshole

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

you may say i am biased cause i am Lebanese but i disagree about Japan being first . Lebanon can beat them. They lost in the Asian cup with the same roster but different Naturalized player to an aging and declining Iran by a big margin and then Iran got humiliated by Jordan. If Japan were in Lebanon group playing against canada, Latvia and France they would have been decimated. They ended up playing the classification games against 2 of the worst teams in the tournament as well. They just got lucky due to being hosts and good draw. Until next Fiba Asia in my opinion Lebanon is still the best Asian team outside of New zealand and Australia.

i have the same sentiment, they did what they have to do but after Germany and Australia most of the opponents they face were the worst in their region as far as the tournament is concern though to be fair they did it without their best player, which is really commendable, i don't know if they can beat France, Italy, Puerto Rico , South Sudan and DR as well as Greece but for sure they can beat Ivory coast and Angola and New Zealand is a toss up, though lebanon also faced two of the worst teams of the tournament in the classification round to balanced it out from facing 3 strong teams in the group stage

 

[bluenote492]

I don't have any ill feelings toward CCR, but his stint as Gilas coach was marred by controversies. From backstabbing Toroman to the Douthit incident, the brawl, and the mystery surrounding Tab's resignation, it's unfortunate how these events tainted his time as Gilas's coach.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

Which means Choke can't be successful without a Jayson Castro on his team. Without a leader like Jimmy Alapag. Without the IQ, physicality, gulang and outside shooting of RDO.

Imagine if coaches abroad demanded specific kinds of players for them to be successful. Sa kangkungan sila pupulutin and they will be jobless in an instant.

It's gonna take YEARS for us to find another Jayson Castro/Jimmy Alapag. Remember, these two were already seasoned veterans in the PBA before they got the keys to Gilas' offense.

The successor would've been Romeo but he's not a facilitator at all. He's a volume shooter.

Could be RJ or SJ but they are too small.

Best bet we have to take the reins is Robert Bolick. He is gonna grow A LOT in the BLeague. Gonna get paid, play FIBA rules all year, gonna get his body right, and he's gonna get his reps against BETTER competition.

But if we fast track this process of finding the next Jason/Jimmy... then find ways and pull some strings to make Sedrick Barefield eligible. Imagine Bolick and Barefield sharing minutes in the point guard spot, we can slide JC/Abando at 2, Dwight/William Navarro at 3, Carl/AJ at 4, Kai at 5.

Schonny Winston also has potential but he needs more reps as a PRO. Juan GDL could also play 1, and I hope he matures in the KBL like SJ & RJ... if he learns to integrate his NBA playstyle to a real competitive basketball league like the KBL sky's the limit for him.

Jerom Lastimosa also... Trae Young type of point guard. Knows when to shoot, and when to involve his teammates. He's gonna shoot when you sag and he's gonna make you pay for giving him space. Complete player in my opinion, just needs to develop his thin frame. We've only seen him operate in the UAAP though, so let's wait til he showcases his wares abroad.

so now, our top prospects for the point guard position:

1. Robert Bolick
2. Sedrick Barefield (cheat code)
3. Juan GDL
4. Schonny Winston
5. Jerom Lastimosa
5. RJ Abbarientos
6. SJ Belangel

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[paliganibossalfrancis2]

I don't have any ill feelings toward CCR, but his stint as Gilas coach was marred by controversies. From backstabbing Toroman to the Douthit incident, the brawl, and the mystery surrounding Tab's resignation, it's unfortunate how these events tainted his time as Gilas's coach.

I think Chot should've just been humble like Yeng Guiao. Both great and accomplished coaches locally but Chot is delusional, while Coach Yeng knows his limits.

Yes Chot has more World Cup wins than Yeng, but SBP spent millions for those two bearing-less wins. Inefficient and incompetent.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

but let's be real Japan is one of the top countries in the world in most aspects so them excelling in sports is not a surprise, and apart from basketball they have other sports that they are more world class than in basketball, their football team for men is a world killer now while women's team is no slouch either, their baseball team has the most world titles , and even in boxing the no. 2 pound for pound best fighter is from Japan,

 

[bluenote492]

but they are too small.



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With how the Brazilian & Japanese guards have shown that there is a place for undersized players on the world stage, I'm convinced our small players can do the same, we just don't need 3 of them in our team. One is enough maybe two but definitely not 3.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

no crying over spilled milk anymore let's focus on the incoming games as the world cup is not just about team Philippines as if you are fan of the game it's the best thing that can happen for you, let's start tomorrow as it will be a virtual sweet 16 KO matches for 2 groups, Italy vs Puerto Rico, DR vs Serbia, Spain vs Canada and Latvia vs Brazil in a knock out games for top 8 qualification, aside from entering the top 8 for Americas teams its also a must win for who will join USA in Olympics . i really envy those who are in the Philippines right now as this coming week is so good for a basketball fan as you are about to witness the knockout stage of the world cup

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

With how the Brazilian & Japanese guards have shown that there is a place for undersized players on the world stage, I'm convinced our small players can do the same, we just don't need 3 of them in our team. One is enough maybe two but definitely not 3.

JJ barea is an NBA player. Yago Santos is a Euroleague player. Yuki Togashi is a GLeaguer. Carlick Jones is an NBA player.

Our small players are great and promising but there's levels to this. RJ gets a pass though. He has proven that he can be effective in the world stage, he just has to establish that reputation in the coming Bleague season.

Lucky that We have tons of point guards to choose from, but yeah 2 is enough.

Choose your poison:
Bolick/GDL
Barefield/ Bolick
GDL/Barefield
Bolick/RJ
Jerom/Bolick
Schonny/Bolick
Schonny/RJ
Jerom/RJ

 

[lebanese NT2]

i have the same sentiment, they did what they have to do but after Germany and Australia most of the opponents they face were the worst in their region as far as the tournament is concern though to be fair they did it without their best player, which is really commendable, i don't know if they can beat France, Italy, Puerto Rico , South Sudan and DR as well as Greece but for sure they can beat Ivory coast and Angola and New Zealand is a toss up, though lebanon also faced two of the worst teams of the tournament in the classification round to balanced it out from facing 3 strong teams in the group stage

Their Naturalized player was on god mode in this tournament. Without him they would have lost all games. They finished with a 31% from 3 as a team known historically to master the 3 ball game while Lebanon ended the tournament with a 39% from 3 . Lebanon looked extremely bad in their first 2 games against Latvia and Canada because the team had almost 0 serious preparation games before the tournament. Those 2 games were actually the real preparation games and the team shifted to a whole new level after , losing by 6 to France then winning 2 consecutive games . We were preparing against Saudi arabia & Bahrain for gods sake with an incomplete roster and Omari joining after he gained around 30 KG . While other teams were preparing against elite european teams.

 

[JOI2dWorld2]

Their Naturalized player was on god mode in this tournament. Without him they would have lost all games. They finished with a 31% from 3 as a team known historically to master the 3 ball game while Lebanon ended the tournament with a 39% from 3 . Lebanon looked extremely bad in their first 2 games against Latvia and Canada because the team had almost 0 serious preparation games before the tournament. Those 2 games were actually the real preparation games and the team shifted to a whole new level after , losing by 6 to France then winning 2 consecutive games . We were preparing against Saudi arabia & Bahrain for gods sake with an incomplete roster and Omari joining after he gained around 30 KG . While other teams were preparing against elite european teams.

yes stars were aligned perfectly for Japan, though they really have so much potential especially if Rui choose to always play for them during off season and with the wealth they have its about time till they tap a legit nba player as their naturalized player, they are really a budding super power if not yet in sports not just in basketball