Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[analyzed2]

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Which player are people trying to accomodate?

 

[barok espinoza2]

I agree generally with the approach it is what we have to do to assmeble a line-up for the the style

1 versatile big - 3 swings - 1 scoring guard ..

that this prototype team is endorsed by none other than the goat himself should already give the coaches a huge heads up.

the goat's starting five - mj (guard), magic, pippen, worthy (swings), and olajuwon (center)

fast-paced showtime game guaranteed.

 

[analyzed2]

that this prototype team is endorsed by none other than the goat himself should already give the coaches a huge heads up.

the goat's starting five - mj (guard), magic, pippen, worthy (swings), and olajuwon (center)

fast-paced showtime game guaranteed.

Hmm local version - Clarkson, (guard), magic Ramos, scottie Parks, Kobe Worthy, Kai d dream. Lol, while obviously not exact - You can see why a team like that will not be disadvantage but competitive vs World level teams mainly due to the overall length and athelcisim. Yes it is not that skilled but you only have one ball, and you should put the ball in the hands of your top offensive players, while the others can play more limited roles offensively and not do to much (like creating on their own

Aside from being good defensivly that line up can really play fast with a lot of ball movement (Euro style) cause the 3 swings can be trained to not be ball heavy

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

If we are going full euro then the burden of scoring should be evenly distributed. this means all players should be able to shoot, pass, perform screens, and drive to the basket. most importantly, they should be tall and nimble enough to not mess up the defense.

In a guard-stacked country like PH, coaches, however, will have the unenviable task of looking for players who'll fit right in this system. the best we can do, imo, is to assemble a 3 point-forward, 1 guard, and 1 center starting lineup. and that's just the starting 5.

so, to mask the lack of manpower, the coaches need to come up with a hybrid system that'll incorporate euroball into our playing style and doctrine.

Agree. And I believe we have good local wings to develop.

New Coach will need to be able to accomplish the tough task.

 

[analyzed2]

Agree. And I believe we have good local wings to develop.

New Coach will need to be able to accomplish the tough task.

It's really simple your upside and having a realistic chance of competing our greater if you invest for 3 years with legit size and mobile wings ( Dwight , Kobe, Thridy , Parks , Troy etc) even if their games are not currently matured yet and unrefined, than it is to invest in fully developed matured players but who are undersize.

 

[analyzed2]

https://tv5.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/29115853/jolas-talks-alaska-1990s-dominance

Posting this not because I'm suggesting we use the triangle system, but the principles discussed by Jolas - ball movement, right fit of players, having players work together, everyone touching the ball etc etc, if it sounds like European ball yup in terms of characteristics not the exact details of the how, that's what a good system looks like

 

[qwertyz2]

So far these are the names that have come up in conversation in ibn, ig, fb and even other forums.
2023 Prospect Pool
Naturalized
SG Jordan Clarkson 6’5 (exemption)
C Willie Cauley-Stein 6’11
SF Chris McCullough 6’9
PG Remy Martin 6’0 (exemption)
PF Ange Kouame 6’11 (exemption)
PF Malick Diouf 6’11

Veterans
C June Mar Fajardo 6’10
G CJ Perez 6’2
PG Robert Bolick 6’1
PG Ray Parks Jr. 6’4
PG Terrence Romeo 5’11
SF Troy Rosario 6’7
F/C Poy Erram 6’8
PG Kiefer Ravena 5’11
G/F Kevin Ferrer 6’4
F Abu Tratter 6’6
PG Scottie Thompson 6’1
F Ian Sangalang 6’7
SG Matthew Wright 6’4
SG RR Pogoy 6’2
SF Mac Belo 6’5

Prime
G Thirdy Ravena 6’2
G/F Kobe Paras 6’6
G Dwight Ramos 6’5
SF Justine Baltazar 6’7
PG Juan Gomez de Liaño 6’1
SG Rhenz Abando 6’3
SG Javi Gomez de Liano 6’4
PG Ricci Rivero 6’2
PF Troy Rike 6’8
SF Will Navarro 6’6
PG Jaydee Tungcab 6’3
G Jordan Heading 6’3

Rookies
F/C Kai Sotto 7’2
F AJ Edu 6’11
C Geo Chiu 6’10
SF Carl Tamayo 6’7
SF Kevin Quiambao 6’6
G Dave Ildefonso 6’5
PG Eli Ramos 6’2
G/F Cholo Anonuevo 6’4

 

[analyzed2]

Why not to be too worried with his listed height
https://www.facebook.com/283004042268/posts/10158754564877269/

https://youtu.be/kxg5hJ7d7Uk

 

[TheRodster212]

So coach Tab projects Kobe and Troy to be guards/wings by 2023 at 5:00. Kobe should have experience having played in the states while Troy has the talent and potential but his conversion to the wing at 28 years of age seems a little late

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

So coach Tab projects Kobe and Troy to be guards/wings by 2023 at 5:00. Kobe should have experience having played in the states while Troy has the talent and potential but his conversion to the wing at 28 years of age seems a little late

shows you coach tab is really the man qualified to handle gilas

 

[analyzed2]

So coach Tab projects Kobe and Troy to be guards/wings by 2023 at 5:00. Kobe should have experience having played in the states while Troy has the talent and potential but his conversion to the wing at 28 years of age seems a little late

Guards /wings was term used by Tab because it is common language, others like Stevens uses the term SWING.(tatum, Hayward, Brown), BTW Pop used Brown and Tatum alot as 4s for team USA last year.
What are Swings? They're essentially 3/4s can play SF and PF, (Troy and Kobe) Welcome to the modern game and new common position! BTW in Tab's world terminology Dwight and Thirdy are guards! Not swings and not PGs

Some insight

https://syndication.bleacherreport....s-celtics-have-3-not-5-positions-now.amp.html

And Swings

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostoncelt..._source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

 

[analyzed2]

So in summary 8 man core rotation

1. Guards (1/2s) - CJ and JC
2.Wings (2/3s) - Dwight and Thirdy
3. SWINGS (3/4s)- Kobe and Troy
4 Bigs (4/5)- AJ and Kai

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostoncelt..._source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

 

[digitalsuperman2]

shows you coach tab is really the man qualified to handle gilas

i agree on this

 

[qwertyz2]

shows you coach tab is really the man qualified to handle gilas

Hopefully young promising coaches like Aldin Ayo and Jimmy Alapag can take pointers from him. We need someone that thinks like Tab for the future of Philippine Basketball.

 

[analyzed2]

i agree on this

Will always be underdogs if we use the players in the position they're normally playing locally. Néed to develop our players of legit length to the standards internationally..
And let our most skilled talented players be our creators and limiting the offensive roles of the less skilled

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

Will always be underdogs if we use the players in the position they're normally playing locally. Néed to develop our players of legit length to the standards internationally..
And let our most skilled talented players be our creators and limiting the offensive roles of the less skilled

Thats the problem e. Players needs to adjust playstlyle locally and international.

I think we need full time gilas players just like gilas 1. If gilas 1 can almost won bronze, what else our more talented and taller young players now.

Coach Tab has said it. He will not rely on pba anymore. Kaso pba create this illogical pba ban rule that even ban Kai and Thirdy if it will be implemented

 

[qwertyz2]

Will always be underdogs if we use the players in the position they're normally playing locally. Néed to develop our players of legit length to the standards internationally..
And let our most skilled talented players be our creators and limiting the offensive roles of the less skilled

@analayzed do you think Tab wants to create Tom Abercrombie prototypes out of Troy and Kobe?

 

[analyzed2]

@analayzed do you think Tab wants to create Tom Abercrombie prototypes out of Troy and Kobe?

That would be a good player to emulate, it's very interesting that while Abercombrie is traditional SF, in the Breakers season he was very effective as a PF or Swing. You can really see the benefits of using a Swing in the 4 position, it gives so much more room for the rest of players to operate, your big has more space and your slashing wings and guards have an open lane. Quite interestingly Tab's 2002 New Zealand team (4th in the worlds) use at the time an untraditional stretch 4 (Pero) and its back up at 4 was versatile SF Boucher (almost like a point forward), regardless its really smart tactical basketball and much of it originated from the European evolution of big men like Tony Kukoc and Shrempt (who in a sense are the 1st Swings

In a sense (haven't watched much PBA) Arwin Santos is a Swing, (seems like SMB and Junmar benefited more than using a PF like Standhardinger with Junmar together)

 

[qwertyz2]

I thought when you say swingman, it's oftentimes one who can play both SF and SG. And from what tab said, kobe and troy developing guard skills, I'm pretty sure the intention isn't putting them at the 4 position. Pretty sure he knows putting a 6'6 paras at PF will be very disadvantageous. And when you have these names like junmar, Kai, Aj, baltazar, Tamayo etc who all, save for junmar, can play PF, why would you even need put paras in that position? Probably, if he can really develop paras into a real SG, he'll utilise him as one.

Also, note that when he mentioned naturalized player, although he didn't mention any names, he did include it on the list of possible frontline. Gives me this positive feeling that it'll probably be a combo forward.

You have to understand thats a few decades ago. Look at the Celtics: PG:Kemba Walker G/F:Jaylen Brown G/F:Jayson Tatum F:Gordon Hayward F/C: Daniel Theis
The trio of tatum, brown and hayward can all interchange roles. They can even take over ball handling and playmaking from kemba. As of for Gilas we would want our 6’6 and above players to be able to have guard like skills as it is a mismatch against a ‘legit 4’ if you would want to call it that. Just imagine guard like skills on Pingris back in 2013/2014. Im pretty sure by 2023 other countries will be playing this way. Team USA already did, so did NZ, Serbia, Argentina. Look at the NZ team that beat us back in 2016 6’5,6’2,6’6,6’6,6’8 and we had 5’10,6’2,6’5,6’11,6’10. It was disadvantageous to us as June Mar couldn’t defend agile and stretch bigs. Gabe couldnt hold the post against 6’6 natural rugby players. Of course blatche and June mar did their thing offensively.

PG/SG=Combo Guard
SG/SF=Wing
PG/Forward=Point Forward
SG/Forward=Stretch 4
SF/PF=Swingman
PF/C=Big

 

[qwertyz2]

Hayward is like 3 inches taller than kobe. And, BTW, what has happened to USA's last world cup team? Failed because they didn't have the bigs to match up with that of the tall Europeans. Besides, just listen to what tab said.

He said that Kobe and Troy are prospective front court players with Guard like skills. Im pretty sure SG isn’t in the front court. Just listen to what tab said. If you really are you would know that “Basketball isn’t for tall people anymore it’s for quick but long people”

Plus it worked for team USA when actual all stars and rising stars played. Remember their first five back in 2014 were Irving,Curry,Harden,Faried,Davis. Thats an average height of 6’5.