Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[Kaireem2]

i dont think it was in the hands of SBP tbh. JC's team wanted him to come in late and if SBP doesnt add JC to gilas for sure they will get hate anyway. same thing with kai, his team leveraged his "injury" for not joining the team early and same thing, if they dont include Kai in the team, then they will be hated as well. scottie well he was indeed injured. i guess sbp needed to make hard decisions to win and to some extent some of the people here are right. brownlee just came off from injury i dont think he would be as effective in lieu of JC. there are a lot of players who are disappointing like malonzo and japeth. then again despite of everything gilas are not blown out and i think they deserve our respect. i can guarantee you, whoever handles SBP next, it will be the same hugot type of system and pba style of game. im 99.99% sure of that.

sbp had to work within a budget for clarkson's insurance, yeah he can come in early but that means more days to cover and a bigger premium.

an article came out that kai asked for USD400K - maybe that's the reason why there was a delay in getting him onboard earlier

as for malonzo, well the team had slim pickings when it came to the small forward slot as only malonzo and oftana in the pool play that position. unfortunately gilas took the fan favorite route and setteld for malonzo, hindsight is 20/20 but oftana's shooting sure would've come handy during the dr and angola games.

 

[IPC2]

i dont think it was in the hands of SBP tbh. JC's team wanted him to come in late and if SBP doesnt add JC to gilas for sure they will get hate anyway. same thing with kai, his team leveraged his "injury" for not joining the team early and same thing, if they dont include Kai in the team, then they will be hated as well. scottie well he was indeed injured. i guess sbp needed to make hard decisions to win and to some extent some of the people here are right. brownlee just came off from injury i dont think he would be as effective in lieu of JC. there are a lot of players who are disappointing like malonzo and japeth. then again despite of everything gilas are not blown out and i think they deserve our respect. i can guarantee you, whoever handles SBP next, it will be the same hugot type of system and pba style of game. im 99.99% sure of that.

The players and on-court staff (including the coaches) deserve respect for at least giving an effort.

Different story for the SBP management. Now we have to start from scratch again.

 

[The Firm2]

Just checking the box score for Gilas vs Angola. Pogoy had eff of 5 while Kai has 13. Pogoy was supposed to be Gilas 3-pt shooter but had 0% in that game. His field goal is only 44% as compared to Kai's 100%. I think at this point, I would rather have big guys who can also shoot like Baltazar and Tamayo than geting short guys that are supposed to be able to shoot but giving us bricks even if they were given free lane. At least the big guys can help in rebounding and maybe provide better coverage against the opponent's shooters.

Yes I agree, which is why Balti and Tamayo should've been part of the team. Oh well...

And even if Pogoy did relatively well vs. DR and Angola, I for sure wouldn't hesitate to remove him and instead include a big who can shoot the mid-range and play decent D. If only...

In Gilas' game vs. Angola, Edu was, for me, our best player outside of JC. Heck, I wouldn't even have any problems calling him Gilas' best 'local' player in the WC so far. Just a huge revelation, and a silver lining amidst all these issues and frustrations re: SBP, CCR, etc.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

This I say, half of the bashing/cursing/criticism that coach Chot Reyes has been getting right now from Pinoy basketball fans should also go to Al "Panlinlang" Panlilio. All of these mess started when Panlilio decided to replace coach Tab Baldwin with Chot Reyes. That's the biggest mistake Panlilio & the entire SBP organization made, and Philippine basketball is paying that price right now.

 

[C2Hamm2]

Yes I agree, which is why Balti and Tamayo should've been part of the team. Oh well...

And even if Pogoy did relatively well vs. DR and Angola, I for sure wouldn't hesitate to remove him and include a big who can shoot the mid-range and play decent D. If only...

if we are all dreaming here, I hope Tuffin gets an invite too. He is a taller Pogoy who has a history of being able to make 3s against taller\more athletic defenders. Also, going back to the RR analogy, we can refer to his history in NZ NBL that he can defende against bigger opponents too.

 

[digitalsuperman2]

That's the thing though...there is always a reason on why we can't properly prepare, something always comes up.

Part of setting up a program effectively is to ensure that things like that will be avoided/minimized. We're not the only team dealing with player availability, how come the great national teams are able to play/practice their teams together for multiple years starting at the youth level.

No excuses.

its true we are not the only team having this issue. EU and America's teams also have the same issue. the only main difference is that they have really good players. but we dont have that luxury. even china, they prepard long and hard and all their good players are available, but now they get blown out. they have international coach a former serbian NT head coach. still blown out.

 

[digitalsuperman2]

sbp had to work within a budget for clarkson's insurance, yeah he can come in early but that means more days to cover and a bigger premium.

an article came out that kai asked for USD400K - maybe that's the reason why there was a delay in getting him onboard earlier

as for malonzo, well the team had slim pickings when it came to the small forward slot as only malonzo and oftana in the pool play that position. unfortunately gilas took the fan favorite route and setteld for malonzo, hindsight is 20/20 but oftana's shooting sure would've come handy during the dr and angola games.

money wasn't an issue for SBP as they were all out on JC actually. but during nego, JC's management team does not agree/want to come earlier afaik. so there was an impasse.sbp cannot push its own narrative when the other party does not want or else the nego will break down.

as for kai, yeah that 400k wasn't worth it if its true. many people have mentioned here that this world cup is a good avenue to showcase his case since the world will be looking. now it has become a double edged sword for him. no positive outcome has shown yet for him. i'd still give him benefit of the doubt.

 

[digitalsuperman2]

The players and on-court staff (including the coaches) deserve respect for at least giving an effort.

Different story for the SBP management. Now we have to start from scratch again.

agree to disagree. i commend SBP naman and i'll give them the respect for gilas. they are not perfect but the effort was there. important piece nang team si jc at kai but ayaw nila sumali earlier eh. so what we can do what can sbp can do.

 

[greenarcher2]

This I say, half of the bashing/cursing/criticism that coach Chot Reyes has been getting right now from Pinoy basketball fans should also go to Al "Panlinlang" Panlilio. All of these mess started when Panlilio decided to replace coach Tab Baldwin with Chot Reyes. That's the biggest mistake Panlilio & the entire SBP organization made, and Philippine basketball is paying that price right now.

The casual fan do not know who he is. Chot simply has to suck it up as a punching bag because he is the face of the SBP whether he likes it or not.

His unapologetic arrogance doesn't help his cause.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

To add to toxicity, I think RONDAE HOLLIS-JEFFERSON is better than JC. Better passer, efficient scorer, and overall more skilled. JC is like a bigger version of Romeo. Too much wasted movement!

It just because RHJ is fit with FIBA system… remember, it is not just JC who struggled with FIBA.. Kyle Anderson, Lauri Markannen, wenyen Gabriel, Rudy Gobert, etc… are other nba players who are also struggling because of FIBA rules… that’s why Luka, Giannis and Jokic (even wembayanma) tells that it’s hard to score in FIBA than NBA… because of the settings and rules… and it’s sucks that SBP didn’t tapped RHJ when he was here… they should offer him naturalization after TNT won a championship earlier this year…

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Doesn’t help your team if you get technical fouls.

There is being animated and being abusive.

That’s the double edge sword for coaches like them… they are good, yes!! But sometimes harmful… maybe one of the reasons why China is struggling because Djokovic and Chinese players are not fit in each other… meanwhile, coach Havesse and Japanese players are fit in each other… that’s why the results are good for them…

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

LOL Edu actually had 9 pts (along with consistently good D) and Pogoy had a +2 plus-minus compared to Kai who was in the negative. I'd pick any of those two and maybe even Perez as the 'second-best' player for Gilas vs. Angola due to their observed impact on that game. Aside from looking awkward and disinterested during his time on the floor, Kai seems like he's just 'going through the motions' whenever he's playing.

He has +13 bro in Eff.. and he has 100% rate in FG against Angola… Hate is real bro… appreciate what he did vs Angola… w/o him and edu, we are already down by more than 20 pts va Angola… and he can be better vs Italy… this is good match up for him…

 

[CoJ2]

your team is pretty much effed up if 2023 FIBA kai is your 2nd best player

 

[zuma1692]

Before we implement a system, before we place a program, we need talent.. and clearly, if jordan clarkson is out of the picture we can't keep up.. it has been proven and shown numerous times.. that must be the realization that SBP and others had before.. so we need the talent.. the talent to shoot open shots efficiently.. the talent to move the ball efficiently.. the talent to dribble when it is appropriate and pass when needed for efficiently.. etc.. those are needed before we implement a system.. and that was clearly shown lacking in the second half against angola.. we cannot shoot open shots, even lay-ups.. we can't afford that..

so grassroots talent development is a must and sustain.. it doesn't matter if it is FIBA style, NBA style, Euro Style, PBA style, etc.. basketball is basketball.. individual skills is basketball.. basic fundamentals and shooting.. defensive motions and rotations.. we clearly lacked that.. that is the change of perspective we need..

my god we have the raw talent.. the inner talent.. and I will repeat, we are better basketball players than any asian counterpart.. the thing is it is not cultivated right.. we need it to be cultivated efficiently.. we need it to grow properly.. clearly it is not growing as it is supposed to be..

 

[greenarcher2]

Tweety Bird's New GF Spotted

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

your team is pretty much effed up if 2023 FIBA kai is your 2nd best player

because other players who are expected to contribute are became sucks as of now… Malonzo became useless, Japeth still left his brain in his house, Junmar is only effective if the opponent’s big man are only low post guy too, he’s ineffective if his opponent are stretch big man, Pogoy is sucks, same as kiefer, Skati also became useless too (he’s not 100% healthy guaranteed), Ramos became TO machine too, Perez was not utilised by chot, same with Abando… that’s why only Edu and Kai doing unexpectedly good because of their basketball IQs… the blame game will be always on chot… he is useless coach…

 

[zuma1692]

your team is pretty much effed up if 2023 FIBA kai is your 2nd best player

Kai just need to play and play period.. the thing is he is not playing minutes.. he is not exposed.. it doesn't matter if he fails.. basta laro lang ng laro.. that is what has happened with Junemar Fajardo.. he started with gilas as a young 20+ ish player.. he just got exposed and exposed.. and actually played and played year in year out in the PBA.. look at him now.. we ate our words..

ang dapat kay Kai pumirme muna sa isang liga or team and play his heart out night in night out.. Kai just needs to settle down in whatever league he is in and play and play.. that's it..

you know what, if he gets the minutes in Japan VERY GOOD!!!! but if not, balik na lang talaga sya sa Pinas.. play in the PBA (no matter what others say).. at least babad talaga sya.. he will get 30+minutes MINIMUM for sure.. really not joking..

 

[Kaireem2]

Kai just need to play and play period.. the thing is he is not playing minutes.. he is not exposed.. it doesn't matter if he fails.. basta laro lang ng laro.. that is what has happened with Junemar Fajardo.. he started with gilas as a young 20+ ish player.. he just got exposed and exposed.. and actually played and played year in year out in the PBA.. look at him now.. we ate our words..

ang dapat kay Kai pumirme muna sa isang liga or team and play his heart out night in night out.. Kai just needs to settle down in whatever league he is in and play and play.. that's it..

you know what, if he gets the minutes in Japan VERY GOOD!!!! but if not, balik na lang talaga sya sa Pinas.. play in the PBA (no matter what others say).. at least babad talaga sya.. he will get 30+minutes MINIMUM for sure.. really not joking..

that would be the last nail on the coffin so to speak

 

[digitalsuperman2]

Tweety Bird's New GF Spotted

who is tweety bird? that girl is beautiful.

 

[Kaireem2]

because other players who are expected to contribute are became sucks as of now… Malonzo became useless, Japeth still left his brain in his house, Junmar is only effective if the opponent’s big man are only low post guy too, he’s ineffective if his opponent are stretch big man, Pogoy is sucks, same as kiefer, Skati also became useless too (he’s not 100% healthy guaranteed), Ramos became TO machine too, Perez was not utilised by chot, same with Abando… that’s why only Edu and Kai doing unexpectedly good because of their basketball IQs… the blame game will be always on chot… he is useless coach…

stop it, for all the hype he and his team have created kai is a monumental failure. it seems you're a typical casual who's easily impressed with kai's once in a blue moon highlight plays yet dismiss his inability to defend and rebound. such a travesty that someone asks for USD400K yet cant and wont matchup with the other team's best big man.

kai is already a 3 year pro not some player fresh out of college, the fact that edu who has 0 pro experience has defended nba big men well which he can't do despite having pro experience just explains why he got benched during the nba summer league.