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Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

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France's final 12:

C Moustapha Fall 7'2 (31)
C Rudy Gobert 7'1 (31)
F Mathias Lessort 6'9 (27)
F Nicholas Batum 6'8 (34)
​​​​​​​F Guerschon Yabusele 6'7 (27)
G Evan Fournier 6'6 (30)
G/F Isaia Cordinier 6'5 (26)
F Terry Tarpey 6'5 (29)
G Nando De Colo 6'5 (36)
G Elie Okobo 6'3 (25)
G Yakuba Outtara 6'3 (31)
G Sylvain Francisco 6'1 (25)
 
Rds said:
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JC’s already getting tired from the tuneups. I think him playing PG is just too heavy a load. It seems Scti is not yet up to the task. Too bad we had a PG who did decently last WC but was not considered.

I think using JB backfired for us. JB had an ingrained connection with Scti and Jamie. Now we are asking JC to create for us and play 30 minutes. Thats too much. If we had CJ more playmaking reps in the windows he might be more reliable now.

The qualifiers shld have been about training up guys who had potential in the WC like CJ as playmaker or Jamie as SF. But no. The qualifiers had no rhyme or reason. We played with Brownlee a lot, who made things easy for everyone, particularly Scti and Jamie, as well as playing 5 or 4. Then we had to learn how to play again without JB in Europe. Then now playing with JC. No wonder are only consistency now is, asa kay JC.
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Very much agree on this. How can one be the main offensive weapon of the team or the go-to-guy of the team while at the same time play as a point guard? Of course there are exceptions like a Luka Doncic, but the thing is, Luka is a natural point guard while Clarkson isn't. Clarkson is more of a 2-guard who can play some point guard role but he isn't a true or a legit point guard. To simply put it, Clarkson doesn't have the reps to be the go-to-guy of the team while at the same time play as a point guard. With Iskati Thompson back, & he has played good in the 3 tune-up games so far, I say we just let Thompson play as our premier point guard with CJ Perez backing him up & let Clarkson play his natural position as a wingman which is a role or position he is very much used to.

"Too bad we had a PG who did decently last WC but was not considered."

Yan nga yung problema ni Chot Reyes in terms of selection of players, he could have included Robert Bolick who is a good size point guard & has already proven himself in the 2019 World Cup, yet for unknown reason/s, Bolick wasn't named to the pool. And right now, Gilas seems to be paying the price for not having Bolick in the pool.
 
you guys can correct me, but JC is not a PG. not even in Mizzou. he was and always been a 2 who has good enough handles and passing to help with whoever the PG is. so he can play PG for short stretches but not really play the part for extended mins on top of looking for his shots. i like how vloggers say we just give the ball to JC and its as if he will always produce. he is that good, i agree, but its as if the other teams wont even try to make a defense scheme against him. JC is good, NBA level, 6th man of the year player. but he isnt a miracle worker and should not be treated or looked as one. unfair to him and the team.
 
C2Hamm said:
you guys can correct me, but JC is not a PG. not even in Mizzou. he was and always been a 2 who has good enough handles and passing to help with whoever the PG is. so he can play PG for short stretches but not really play the part for extended mins on top of looking for his shots. i like how vloggers say we just give the ball to JC and its as if he will always produce. he is that good, i agree, but its as if the other teams wont even try to make a defense scheme against him. JC is good, NBA level, 6th man of the year player. but he isnt a miracle worker and should not be treated or looked as one. unfair to him and the team.
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And remember, this is already world level basketball. If this is just Asian -level, then I'm confident Clarkson can easily produce 25 to 30 pts in a game & be an effective facilitator of some sorts.

Here's my stand about a scorer of a wingman being asked to play as a point guard: Its really very very tough being the go-to-guy of your team & at the same time being asked to orchestrate for the team & this, for a player who joined the team 17 days prior to a major tournament.
 
I can't believe that we are still having a discussion about 'pure point guards' when we are living in a positionless era now. Players can now be trained to orchestrate and execute from ANY POSITION. Yes, right now, we have that problem of only PGs being able to orchestrate and execute. But, man, I hope we can develop taller players from other positions that can orchestrate.

Boxing into positions isn't limited to undersized bigs and undersized wings. It also affects the guards.
 
C2Hamm said:
you guys can correct me, but JC is not a PG. not even in Mizzou. he was and always been a 2 who has good enough handles and passing to help with whoever the PG is. so he can play PG for short stretches but not really play the part for extended mins on top of looking for his shots. i like how vloggers say we just give the ball to JC and its as if he will always produce. he is that good, i agree, but its as if the other teams wont even try to make a defense scheme against him. JC is good, NBA level, 6th man of the year player. but he isnt a miracle worker and should not be treated or looked as one. unfair to him and the team.
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SBP treating JC as a typical do it all PBA import, Gilas will ride or die with JC, he's gonna be overworked more than a racehorse. This will not work at the world level especially that He'll be surrounded by bricklayers and slowpokes.
 
IPC said:
I can't believe that we are still having a discussion about 'pure point guards' when we are living in a positionless era now. Players can now be trained to orchestrate and execute from ANY POSITION. Yes, right now, we have that problem of only PGs being able to orchestrate and execute. But, man, I hope we can develop taller players from other positions that can orchestrate.

Boxing into positions isn't limited to undersized bigs and undersized wings. It also affects the guards.
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But like what I said bro, if you're the go-to-guy & also has to play as point guard, its going to be a very tough job to accomplish. And we're talking about a player who joined the team 17 days before the competition. I think the high turnover number of Clarkson in the games vs. Ivory Coast & Montenegro has a lot to do with this.
 
IPC said:
I can't believe that we are still having a discussion about 'pure point guards' when we are living in a positionless era now. Players can now be trained to orchestrate and execute from ANY POSITION. Yes, right now, we have that problem of only PGs being able to orchestrate and execute. But, man, I hope we can develop taller players from other positions that can orchestrate.

Boxing into positions isn't limited to undersized bigs and undersized wings. It also affects the guards.
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oh, so Ben Simmons is not a point guard? Lamelo ball? how about cade or hali?

Point guard is a role. you can argue we can have a point forward (LBJ type) or point centre (Jokic type) but there are far less of those non-guard playmakers so it is more common to say PG. but ok, ill give way. JC is still not a historically primary playmaker.
 
greenarcher said:
This is surprising considering how bad NZL has been playing. But it does give me some hope that Italy is not invincible.
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Provides confidence NZ will be competitive vs Greece and has actually a shot for an upset (NZ played better vs Italy than Greece did in tune ups)

NZ has taken time to get cohesion, mainly cause Ili hasn't been playing and it's other guards Izayah and Cameron are FIBA rookies ( with Webster bros absence)
 
JAMSKIE said:
But like what I said bro, if you're the go-to-guy & also has to play as point guard, its going to be a very tough job to accomplish. And we're talking about a player who joined the team 17 days before the competition. I think the high turnover number of Clarkson in the games vs. Ivory Coast & Montenegro has a lot to do with this.
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C2Hamm said:
oh, so Ben Simmons is not a point guard? Lamelo ball? how about cade or hali?

Point guard is a role. you can argue we can have a point forward (LBJ type) or point centre (Jokic type) but there are far less of those non-guard playmakers so it is more common to say PG. but ok, ill give way. JC is still not a historically primary playmaker.
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My point was, we can develop LBJ types so we don't always have to rely on the 1.

I'm just expressing my frustration at the development system we have, and how playmaking is almost exclusively from the 1.
 
IPC said:
My point was, we can develop LBJ types so we don't always have to rely on the 1.

I'm just expressing my frustration at the development system we have, and how playmaking is almost exclusively from the 1.
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Ah ok, I get it.

Well, not too many Pinoy wingmen are like a Rayray Parks or Dwight Ramos or Matthew Wright type who are scoring threats & are good facilitators as well.
 
KAT seems both a player and person of kind nature... Hope he absorbs all the "Twitter and Philippine Arena love from The Philippines" - He unconsciously plays with altruism for Gilas

#GilasSecondRound​


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Sikatrix said:
I think JC plays 33 minutes per game come main tournament. Which is basically playing 40 minutes in a 48 minute game.
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maybe around 27 to 30mins, he'll get most in the 1st and 3rd qtr since we need that extra push in our starts, but definitely a closer.
 
Clarkson at best is a shooting guard, and occasional sf. Our nt loses if he is wasted as a pg. There will be lots of turnovers too, as our nt is not the utah jazz. Unfortunately, we have a coachot chemically-wasted 5'10 wannabe 6'1 pg who cant reliably make shots or produce assists (please check out last 3 tune up games against real nts). He is there to dribol and make coachot happy . Just use thompson as pg or ramos as point forward. For some really, really strange reason, pinoys typically assign ball distribution to the smallest player -- you cant go more stupid than that.

And yes, slav nts, which always play good basic basketball, have guys like doncic or jokic as their best passers AND shooters. They certainly are not in the midget league. Use a point guard/ forward/ center who is the most reliable passer and shooter. Then you have a natural, explosive pinoy sf -- with a 42" vertical like abando -- who need not be tall or pointy to be used well in the nt.

Coachot is a total retard with his addiction to using tiny players at the point. He, and his progeny, never really understood how to make basketball smoothly flow. He cant even wrap his head around thompson being a reliable pg, because he is the most reliable rebounder (jokic and doncic can rebound well too) and passer at crunch time.

Dribol, dribol buong pinoy game na lang. It is the player gifted with natural very quick sense of space, and where the players are, who should play at point. Why was bolick or heading not made a pg? Possibly, same reason why baltazar and tamayo never made sf. Pba perimeter game culture is lousy and unfit for fiba. Why nt coaches cant get that is unusual. Dont they know up to this time, and after decades of fiba balling, that the team with the deadliest perimeter game is the hardest to defend well due to sagging out issues? They didnt know that shin dong pa almost always killed pinoy nts by himself already a long time ago? Is producing engellands that hard?
 
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SBP providing participants with 90s era tour buses is so humiliating. Froelich has modern buses I don't know why SBP opted for those old junk.
 
whatever it is, bus, facilities, etc.. those are definitely approved by FIBA.. so let's not dwell on it..

For me, so far I don't see any problem.. would these folks expect lavishness from a third world country?

For as long as the transportation facilities are clean cool and comfortable that is enough..

the more important aspect is how MOA, Araneta and Philippine Arena will hold up for these national teams.. and from the looks of it, Araneta has some MAJOR renovations done, while Philippine Arena and MOA Arena are already world class on its own..
 
I jsut think Mexico may not be a better offensive team than dominican.. they are a better defensive team as..
 
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