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Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

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Wow..where do you come up with these "TIERS"? First it was the "john wall etc. have low to average athleticism" argument; then your clasification of FIBA teams with "borderline, average and elite" NBA players and so now its about proclaiming like its a sure thing that based on your "scientifically proven" ranking system, if you are tagged with a "BIG CHANCE" then matic yan second round pick ka (Edu), but if you tag someone as having a "BIGGER CHANCE" then heck no doubt in your mind lottery first round pick ka (Kai)!

And yet what is the basis for this?? LOL!

Being optimistic is nice but going overboard with it and with very little facts to back it up is not healthy at all.

We can list our OWN tiers. Nba Scouts have their different nba tiers too.

Did you really guys think there is no borderline, average, and elite nba players? You think they are equal? Michael Jordan is equal to Kwame brown? Come on.
 
We can list our OWN tiers. Nba Scouts have their different nba tiers too.

Did you really guys think there is no borderline, average, and elite nba players? You think they are equal? Michael Jordan is equal to Kwame brown? Come on.

You know damn well that nobody is saying all nba players are equal. You have no argument so you resort to putting words in other people’s mouths lol.
 
Really? Edu in his highlight months didn’t even enter the future NBA draftee conversation. He was also like a 3 star(?) recruit coming out of HS. Kai on the other hand is consistently appearing on the radar, landing as high as 18th on certain mock drafts and is considered a 4 star recruit. So, what did the scouts and basketball community miss here?

I like Edu and I’m rooting for him. But I have to disagree he is a better NBA prospect than Kai.

For one, Edu has lesser media mileage than Kai. If the adoring pinoy fans gave the same level of adoration to edu 2 years ago, i sincerely doubt he would be ranked as such. It is my view, that Kai has many advantages on him now than edu before. Despite that, edu was still invited in the bwb, and was ranked as 3-stars prior to his college career.
Had gilas entered the WC-U19 where Edu was included as player then, prior to their iteration with Sotto, I think he would have had been given a higher rank or star rating.

Again as I said, as of now, Edu has more potential to enter the NBA than Kai. Let's see in 2021 if that will change.
 
For one, Edu has lesser media mileage than Kai. If the adoring pinoy fans gave the same level of adoration to edu 2 years ago, i sincerely doubt he would be ranked as such. It is my view, that Kai has many advantages on him now than edu before. Despite that, edu was still invited in the bwb, and was ranked as 3-stars prior to his college career.
Had gilas entered the WC-U19 where Edu was included as player then, prior to their iteration with Sotto, I think he would have had been given a higher rank or star rating.

Again as I said, as of now, Edu has more potential to enter the NBA than Kai. Let's see in 2021 if that will change.

That’s your reason, media mileage? Ok.
 
For one, Edu has lesser media mileage than Kai. If the adoring pinoy fans gave the same level of adoration to edu 2 years ago, i sincerely doubt he would be ranked as such. It is my view, that Kai has many advantages on him now than edu before. Despite that, edu was still invited in the bwb, and was ranked as 3-stars prior to his college career.
Had gilas entered the WC-U19 where Edu was included as player then, prior to their iteration with Sotto, I think he would have had been given a higher rank or star rating.

Again as I said, as of now, Edu has more potential to enter the NBA than Kai. Let's see in 2021 if that will change.

Wait..what...hold on...so the NBA draft is a popularity contest now? When did that happen?? This isn't America's Got Talent...LOL!

Do you sincerely believe if AJ enters the upcoming draft or even the following year he'll get picked? Because you said as of now. Heck AJ hasn't played in almost a year now. And we don't know how he has even recovered from his injury mentally as much as physically. I don't think any NBA scout, coach or team would take that chance.
 
Wait..what...hold on...so the NBA draft is a popularity contest now? When did that happen?? This isn't America's Got Talent...LOL!

Do you sincerely believe if AJ enters the upcoming draft or even the following year he'll get picked? Because you said as of now. Heck AJ hasn't played in almost a year now. And we don't know how he has even recovered from his injury mentally as much as physically. I don't think any NBA scout, coach or team would take that chance.

Well NBA has fascination with Specialist rather than the Jack of All Trade master of none... Edu once dully recovered has a chance...
 
Wait..what...hold on...so the NBA draft is a popularity contest now? When did that happen?? This isn't America's Got Talent...LOL!

Do you sincerely believe if AJ enters the upcoming draft or even the following year he'll get picked? Because you said as of now. Heck AJ hasn't played in almost a year now. And we don't know how he has even recovered from his injury mentally as much as physically. I don't think any NBA scout, coach or team would take that chance.

Well NBA has fascination with Specialist rather than the Jack of All Trade master of none... Edu once dully recovered has a chance...
 
Mas malapit yung moon sa stars, men. Meaning, if you aim for the moon and miss, right back down to earth ka. �� Love your enthusiasm though...
 
AJ having a philippine passport means he can play as an Asian import in leagues in australia, japan, china etc. if he can't make it to the NBA. I hope he doesn't end up in the PBA
 
AJ having a philippine passport means he can play as an Asian import in leagues in australia, japan, china etc. if he can't make it to the NBA. I hope he doesn't end up in the PBA

He may also have access to getting a European passport, (dual with Philippines), in that case he can play in Europe under the wider # of spots available for European continent players (like over 6 per team), basically if AJ does not make the NBA he still will have lots of options
 
Yes, I dare say media mileage. Had AJ been with Gilas when he was 16 years old, and they qualified in the 2017 FIBA WC U-19, we would have sung a different tune. at that time, AJ was showing promise in the UK. giving off big numbers. Had things been different then, and Gilas was able to enter the WC instead of Japan; and given the style of play of Edu, and OUR propensity to overexpose players who have great talent and potential, more scouts would have given him some notice. As I said, Kai's advantage is his media mileage. Edu did not have that. and I dare say, that due to lot of players to scout, it will be hard pressed for any US scouts to really give more emphasis to certain players.
Overall, in my view, had things been more different then, Edu would have gotten that much more attention, and he would have ranked higher than a 3-star. I fervently believe that these things will be self-fulfilled once he return to Toledo to lead the team.
 
If you will dream, dream high.

Dream for the moon, at least if you fail, you can end up with stars.

Kai and Edu will be in nba. You will see that.

Besides, it is not bad to support our young talents. And being optimisyic and/or overboard is better than
Being pessimistic and crab mentality

For a mathematician, at least as your handle suggests, your logic is shabby.
 
Kai is more exciting to enter in the NBA than Edu,cause Kai plays a lot in Philippines ,his basketball style is Filipino stlye of basketball,Also Edu is a promising NBA contender.
 
Kai is more exciting to enter in the NBA than Edu,cause Kai plays a lot in Philippines ,his basketball style is Filipino stlye of basketball,Also Edu is a promising NBA contender.

Kai is a modern bigman and it's no way near comparable to Philippine style of basketball. A lot of players here are still stuck in the 90's
 
Kai is a modern bigman and it's no way near comparable to Philippine style of basketball. A lot of players here are still stuck in the 90's

Maybe he meant filipino style in terms of "gulang".

We show a glimpse of Kai throwing elbows in his tsf games
 
FIBA,or NBA officiating will catch it sooner or later and it will be an ejection if he keeps resorting to it.

i am not saying kai should play dirty. but he should be physical.

like charles barkley or shaq, they frequently throw elbows but not always ejected.

Kai should be balance. Not dirty but also not soft.
 
Maybe he meant filipino style in terms of "gulang".

We show a glimpse of Kai throwing elbows in his tsf games

So Filipino style means playing dirty? Yikes. That's not something to be proud of. Basketball isn't a contact sport per se. He should avoid intentionally hurting someone if he doesn't want to ruin his reputation. Iwanan na niya dito sa pinas yung larong kanto
 
Maybe he meant filipino style in terms of "gulang".

We show a glimpse of Kai throwing elbows in his tsf games


We all really need to drop this fascination with this so called "Filipino GULANG defense" like it's something to be proud of and that no other country plays defense like us. That's the whole point. No other top FIBA member country would want to emulate our style because it SUCKS!! Isn't it obvious for the past 20 years of international competition that our Philippine teams and players lag behind in terms of individual and team defense? It's an eyesore to watch our players play defense with their hands rather than their feet, resorting to useless hacking fouls when the player they are defending blows past them, not knowing how to position their bodies correctly for the box out, and ultimately resorting to cheap (elbow; lowblow) shots when things get heated or don't go our way. (Remember RDO and Iraq?)

But most people in here like to call that "GULANG"! Yep. LOL!

Kai should never learn to play this way. He should stay away from his ninong RDO when it comes to basketball advise and listen more to his coaches in the US.
 
We all really need to drop this fascination with this so called "Filipino GULANG defense" like it's something to be proud of and that no other country plays defense like us. That's the whole point. No other top FIBA member country would want to emulate our style because it SUCKS!! Isn't it obvious for the past 20 years of international competition that our Philippine teams and players lag behind in terms of individual and team defense? It's an eyesore to watch our players play defense with their hands rather than their feet, resorting to useless hacking fouls when the player they are defending blows past them, not knowing how to position their bodies correctly for the box out, and ultimately resorting to cheap (elbow; lowblow) shots when things get heated or don't go our way. (Remember RDO and Iraq?)

But most people in here like to call that "GULANG"! Yep. LOL!

Kai should never learn to play this way. He should stay away from his ninong RDO when it comes to basketball advise and listen more to his coaches in the US.

100% agree. I was talking to an American NBA fan a year ago he mentioned to me why there's no Filipino player in NBA is because we play like street ballers. And that is actually true if you think about it
 
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