Aside from the better preparation, Chot found a formula that worked like magic and it's not a triangle offence. We know the triangle doesn't cut for the international games, it never worked. I seriously didn't expect Tim cone to ever be suggested here in IBN, thought it only happens on Facebook. No hate but Tim is outdated
I admire your optimism that both Edu and Kai are NBA bound. However, I think we should hold our horses here and not view (and declare) it as something imminent.
How is 2014 Argentina better than their last WC team?
The element of surprise will always be one of the weapons in international basketball but I will not use that to downplay what our squad achieved there. After they almost beat Croatia which happened to be our first opponent, the next teams to play sure reviewed the game tape. And ironically, the lone game we won was even the last game we played. That squad was pretty well prepared, the next tournaments they were practicing for a just a few days and blatche neve showed up with the same form
Hmmm so based on what you’re saying.
PG: Remy Martin/
SG: Jordan Clarkson/CJ Perez
SF: Chris McCullough/
PF: AJ Edu/
C: Kai Sotto/Ange Kouame
Then just plug in the kiefer cadet core. Ray Parks Jr., Kiefer Ravena, Troy Rosario, RR Pogoy, Matthew Wright. Then some of the current cadets Thirdy Ravena, Juan GDL, Javi GDL, Dwight Ramos, Kobe Paras. Also some of the past gilas players who could still be serviceable such as June Mar Fajardo, Poy Erram,Robert Bolick, Terrence Romeo, Ian Sangalang and Raymond Almazan. Then we have ourselves a (dream)pool.
plus tim cone’s team are mostly veterans so more matured and experienced. won by 27 i think (indonesians fans think they are catching up). while dickel’s team mostly inexperienced with the help of coach tab won by 30. mostly pinoy hoop fans thinks a hall of fame coach in the PBA will be good in international game.lol. what if Coach Tim was the head coach of the 1st window team for a two weeks of practice. we all know he’s depending more on veterans and not good developing young players.
That WC team was probably our best formed GILAS team. JC and Blatche were in their prime. Guys like RDO,Ping, Chan, Gabe were slightly past their prime but still playable and their game were made for the international game. It sucks that we weren't able to find suitable replacements for those guys..
TC doesn't have the international experience that Chot has. Remember Chot has been in the international scene for a long time.
2014 Argentina is better than 2019 Argentina.
2014 have ACTIVE NBA Players and a Slightly Prime Scola. 2019 team have a VERY OLD SCOLA as their BEST player.
It is just there are better teams in 2014 than 2019. So 2019 finishes better.
Kai and Edu are sureball nba draftees/players barring injuries.
11th place compared to 1st runner up? Sorry, but you can do better than gauging a team’s strength by name recognition and throwing out another baseless claim of having stronger teams back then to complement that narrative. If a team’s strength is determined by the number of NBA players, the 2019 edition has no business beating Australia, much more ending up 2nd place.
If you think Edu is a surefire NBA player, then so be it. I’m hoping he would be but I’m not banking on it.
Greece played us the next day, Argentina and the other teams had longer time to get those materials to study our plays. You can't simply assume that they failed to scout us because it will fit your argument while common sense dictates that they have reason to scout us closely and they had the time to do so, more than greece actually.
Oh the Senegal argument, if we use the logic you used to prove that 2014 Argentina was better than the 2019 Argentina because there were more nba players then, then Senegal should be a very strong team. I think they had at least 2 nba veterans while we had just 1. And Senegal actually finished much higher than us, 16th compared to 21st. Nigeria didn't even qualify. The other Africas that qualified were Angola, finished 17th and Egypt, finished dead last.
Or the 2019 Argentina squad is like a well oiled machine it played better as a team compared to the more talent laden squads it faced?You just supported my argument that there is more talented teams in 2014. Australia and Serbia(With nba players) was beaten by Argentina(No nba players). In 2019.
2014 has elite to average nba players. 2019 has borderline to average nba players. In fact the best players in 2019 are Gasol,Scola, Jokic, Fournier. 2014 have all star team usa, strong spain team, etc.
I think all of us will agree that 2014 have more talented teams/players than 2019. Hence better competition.
Are you saying that 2019 fiba world cup is more competitive than 2014?
Or the 2019 Argentina squad is like a well oiled machine it played better as a team compared to the more talent laden squads it faced?
Lol here you go again with your self made tiers. Elite, borderline, average. I find it amusing how easy it is for you to label things to fit your argument. Aside from Team USA, other teams like Australia, Serbia, France and many more are bannered by NBA players. But then again, having NBA players in your team doesn’t equate or translate to strength. If that was the case, Team USA would’ve gotten away with the cup because it’s an all NBA lineup! This is a team sport, not individual competition.
2019 is more competitive definitely. It is an open, free for all race because USA is not anywhere close to full strength.
Edu is good but he is not nba player material. Maybe late second round if he is lucky.
As of now, I think Edu has more potential to enter the NBA than Kai. Let's see in 2021 if that still holds true, although I prefer that both of them enter the NBA.
2014 Argentina is better than 2019 Argentina.
2014 have ACTIVE NBA Players and a Slightly Prime Scola. 2019 team have a VERY OLD SCOLA as their BEST player.
It is just there are better teams in 2014 than 2019. So 2019 finishes better.
Kai and Edu are sureball nba draftees/players barring injuries.
There are tiers and then there are YOUR tiers— two entirely different things considering how you tag Wall as average athleticism-wise.Well, I agree that 2019 have better teamwork. But 2014 still have stronger players.
Ofcourse, there are tiers. It is like you are saying that all nba players are equal. LOL.
Exactly. 2019 is weaker. Team usa(borderline) lost. 2014 Usa is WAY BETTER.
For ex. 2019 spain finish first. 2008 spain finish 2nd. 2014 finish 3rd/4th(not sure)
But 2008 spain and 2014 spain are clearly better than 2019.
Well, YOU Can also do better than judging a team's strength by their finishes especially if they have different oppositions.
You can have the last word. We are good bro.
My point is that just because 2014 argentina place 11th and 2019 argentina placed 2nd doesnt mean 2019 are better/stronger.
As of now, I think Edu has more potential to enter the NBA than Kai. Let's see in 2021 if that still holds true, although I prefer that both of them enter the NBA.
Really? Edu in his highlight months didn’t even enter the future NBA draftee conversation. He was also like a 3 star(?) recruit coming out of HS. Kai on the other hand is consistently appearing on the radar, landing as high as 18th on certain mock drafts and is considered a 4 star recruit. So, what did the scouts and basketball community miss here?
I like Edu and I’m rooting for him. But I have to disagree he is a better NBA prospect than Kai.
Well, I agree with you in this one. Aj edu has big chance in nba. Kai HAS bigger chance.
Kai is on the radar of some nba scouts. Even Cuban knows Kai.
We must be optimistic that they will both be drafted in nba. Kai a lottery pick/first round and Edu as second round.