Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[thatweirdguy2]

Pool released, Poy Erram in the pool is....interesting

Well we do need tiradors este enforcers when we get we're losing big. That's the only reason I feel Pogoy and Erram gets included

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Nigeria is a far more cohesive team (even beat Team USA before the Olympics) than Gilas but Angola just outworked them in both qualifiers. They're more athletic, they're active on defense, apart from Kai... they have better size in all positions. If your only basis of Angola was 2019 against Yeng Guiao's quality Gilas team, that was an entire cycle ago. Their coach now has way more experience in the FIBA game than Chot... and they actually look similar to how Tab Baldwin runs a swing offense. Hate to say it, but they're gonna move the ball better while Chot will rinse and repeat the SEA Games in the World Cup with better players.

Nigeria played w/ their fringe players during their WC qualifications... They can't bring their best squad due to politics inside their federation (sounds familiar)... But remember they also lose twice to Ivory Coast (who are just weaker than them in terms of rankings)... And last 2019, they barely beat unprepared PHL, lousy head coach, overweight Blatche, No game plan and lousy line up.. They needed OT to beat PHL.. That's why odds are favor PHL this time vs Angola... Having a home court advantage, better players, much prepared team than 2019 (and might have referees favor calls too)... Their upgrade is only Bruno Fernando, but that's it... PHL have more upgrade roster than they have than 2019 in all positions... So no excuses if they lose to Angola... They have to win vs Angola just to have chance for Olympic berth

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Angola isn't that tall compared to other African teams. Last WC they only had a 1inch height advantage on Gilas (Gilas had a team ave. height of 6'4 while Angola had an ave. height of 6'5), same with DR too, both Gilas and DR were about the same ave. height last WC at 6'4. With Kai being in the lineup expect Gilas to go toe-toe IN HEIGHT against almost all teams in the WC. imo

Angola barely beat Gilas last 2019... I know it was 4 years ago, But still ample sample size why PHL are favored to win over Angola... While Angola upgrade due to Bruno Fernando, PHL meanwhile upgrade all positions from Guard to bigs plus homecourt and referee advantage... If you have doubts then watch Angola's game and check if they are good to beat PHL again this time...

 

[DAdmiral2]

Brilliant, witb center Junmar , Kouame and Japarth out with injuries , AJ went against a make belief broom stick at center , well I guess when only 9 players show up, it's what you have to do to simulate 5 x 5 . Galing. Meanwhile a motor buny like Phillips is sitting at home.

AJ is better of returning to Brisbane and practice with his agent Cam, i mean it's better use of his time.
https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/injuries-force-gilas-to-move-start-of-fiba-wc-prep/274011

 

[xenoloxy2]

Well we do need tiradors este enforcers when we get we're losing big. That's the only reason I feel Pogoy and Erram gets included

if any of those two get in over the others in the pool, i wont bother watching

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

The super weird thing about pushing for Kai's exception, when ii discussed it with Tab, he shared it with MVP, (who no longer was was the head of SBP) not Panilio, when I had a chance encounter wirh Panilio about it , he ignored idea (don't know why, cause he was by passed or something), then only to find out his colleges idea is Brownlee for exception. This is kind of insane , really.
its like it's a bad idea if it's coming from Tab, but a good idea when its coming from Vargas, brilliant.

The word Nepotism are all over the guy’s personal being, that’s all I can say Sir Dave.

 

[FilWelsh2]

Quite disappointed that Balti was not included in the training pool because of issues on the PBA with Delta his handlers. As much as we don’t want the Ravena bros., Pogoy(due to inconsistencies both on offense and defense; lack of height on their respective position), Junemar(due to knee issues) and Erram(due to defensive lapses most of the time) well that’s the call of the SBP being the poster boys of the SBP and MVP teams. On the positive side, putting AK34 on the pool is a good sign already, still hoping that SBP may woke up on the right side of the bed and lobby for the dude’s exemption before the actual competition started. It would be interesting how Calvin Oftana and Rhenz Abando will respond and adjust for the forthcoming overseas training, How’s AJ Edu’s overall health condition moving forward. Still hoping that the likes of BGR, Michael P. and Sedrick may be included in the training pool not only to provide warm bodies but also in preparation for Hangzhou AG wherein they are eligible to play as per OCA.

Tagging either JC or JB on the last minute as a local is just a fantasy, a make belief.​

Balti and Matthew Wright should be in the pool…

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

Balti and Matthew Wright should be in the pool…

Yes Sir, Balti should be included but we had no idea why he isn't and as for Mat, well the dude is inconsistent both offensively and defensively and we cannot afford another weakest link moving forward.

 

[CoJ2]

Well we do need tiradors este enforcers when we get we're losing big. That's the only reason I feel Pogoy and Erram gets included

heck they should have included in the pool the nuclear option= calvin abueva, instead of these two (pogoy and erram)

 

[C2Hamm2]

honestly dont know the answer on this one. i understand the highest placed Asian team will get an outright Olympic berth after the WC. and separately there is an Olympic qualifier(to be playeed August 12-20). does that mean all the rest of the Asian teams in WC (non top placing) has no chance to fight for an Olympic spot?

why I asked this is, if we do need to go through a qualifier, and rumors are SBP will hand over management to a new org this year, will the NEW SBP have time to build a new team? if we reuse the same team going to WC with minor tweaks, are majority of those players available? of course, if we dont qualify to fight for a spot, this question is moot.

 

[CoJ2]

honestly dont know the answer on this one. i understand the highest placed Asian team will get an outright Olympic berth after the WC. and separately there is an Olympic qualifier(to be playeed August 12-20). does that mean all the rest of the Asian teams in WC (non top placing) has no chance to fight for an Olympic spot?

why I asked this is, if we do need to go through a qualifier, and rumors are SBP will hand over management to a new org this year, will the NEW SBP have time to build a new team? if we reuse the same team going to WC with minor tweaks, are majority of those players available? of course, if we dont qualify to fight for a spot, this question is moot.

I think they would still have a chance to fight for the olympic slot similar to how Gilas was able to participate in the OQT as a replacement for NZ. the next 3 Asian finishers qualifies to the OQT.

links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_FIBA_Men's_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournaments

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_FIBA_Men's_Pre-Qualifying_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournaments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics_–_Men's_qualification
https://stillmed.olympics.com/media...s/Paris-2024/Paris2024-QS-FIBA-Basketball.pdf

 

[Silent Killer2]

honestly dont know the answer on this one. i understand the highest placed Asian team will get an outright Olympic berth after the WC. and separately there is an Olympic qualifier(to be playeed August 12-20). does that mean all the rest of the Asian teams in WC (non top placing) has no chance to fight for an Olympic spot?

why I asked this is, if we do need to go through a qualifier, and rumors are SBP will hand over management to a new org this year, will the NEW SBP have time to build a new team? if we reuse the same team going to WC with minor tweaks, are majority of those players available? of course, if we dont qualify to fight for a spot, this question is moot.

i think the event on august is pre OQT.. winners will go to proper OQT next year

 

[C2Hamm2]

thanks COJ and SK

so the "new" management to handle SBP would have some time to organise a new team\s for these qualifiers. good to know although im not hoping much based of whats been happening for the last few years.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

i think the event on august is pre OQT.. winners will go to proper OQT next year

Also note: This Pre - OQT is just only teams who are not qualified for this year's WC... So the likes of Argentina, Turkey, Nigeria, Croatia, etc... are the teams who will play there... Teams who qualified for WC are not required to play there... Top 19 outside of 7 teams who will directly qualified to the Olympics as best finishers in their continental zone rank in FIBA WC are automatically qualified to play OQT next year....

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

According to Quinito Henson, This is PHL's set of tune up games before WC:

Euro trip:

Finland
Latvia
Estonia
Lithuania U21

China trip:

Iran
Lebanon
Senegal

And also a tune up game vs Puerto Rico before the WC SETS...


https://www.philstar.com/sports/2023/06/05/2271480/gilas-sets-friendlies


Also disappointing that they scrap a possible tune up game vs Greece, Although i understand since they are not available on Aug. 23, since they want to recover for that 2 month long training...

 

[Rodbi2]

One of the best things for Gilas I see with the current FIBA format for one complete Olympic cycle is that high-profile world and continental-level tournaments are now a yearly thing. Being a yearly thing = more exposure to high-level international competition = better for Philippine basketball in the long run, win or lose.

 

[IPC2]

thanks COJ and SK

so the "new" management to handle SBP would have some time to organise a new team\s for these qualifiers. good to know although im not hoping much based of whats been happening for the last few years.

Yeah, in the near future, we ain't expecting much.

In other news, anyone have any streaming sites for the FIFA Women's World Cup this August? If you do, reply in this thread: https://www.interbasket.net/forums/forum/asia-middle-east-oceania/asia-ot/11078-philippine-football

Honestly, I feel that that WC might be better worth watching.

 

[CoJ2]

feels like 2023 will be the last time we’ll be playing in the FIBA world cup given how messed up the SBP is. Hope I am wrong

 

[sroth38392]

feels like 2023 will be the last time we’ll be playing in the FIBA world cup given how messed up the SBP is. Hope I am wrong

It’s still possible.

Just don’t expect the same level of intensity against higher ranked teams or podium finishes.

Expect the SMC group to be more aggressive with their “exceptions” push.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

feels like 2023 will be the last time we’ll be playing in the FIBA world cup given how messed up the SBP is. Hope I am wrong

Yeah. Becoz unlike in this year's World Cup where we got an automatic qualification being one of the hosts, in the 2027 World Cup, we really have to work our butts out to qualify.

The irony is that just when we have the right materials - a skilled 7-foot center & a good size & athletic back-up center, good size fours & athletic small forwards, parang doon pa tayo diskumpyado na mag qualify. Well, I think our doubts are well founded naman.

I think everything looked promising way back in 2021 when we got Tab Baldwin as our Gilas head coach. Then everything went awry when Al Panlilio & other SBP people stirred the hornet's nest. And here we are with only barely 3 months into the much awaited World Cup, cramming & our preparation still having some hitches. We started well, then we fucked up the endgame.

"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the endgame." - Charlie Wilson ​