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Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

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sroth3839 said:
Best scenario:
PH
Italy
NZ
Cote D'Ivoire

Worst:
PH
Greece
Dominicana
Angola
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I agree with this , best scenario for the Philippines and actually for Italy , NZ and Cote D...
(note for NZ they've beaten Gilas 3 times in double digits since 2016 ,
beat Italy in 2019 https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/115301288/corey-webster-superb-as-tall-blacks-stun-italy
and Ivory coast 2014 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/ba...efeat-ivory-coast/LLSTCGIA6CFYDJYIX4MAFZ6KHI/

obviously for the 3 other teams in each of the pots 1, 5 and 7 this will be a bad scenario
 
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NZ classified as a mid tier is verifiable by results (not opinion)

2010 : 12th place out of 24 teams (2nd round)
2014: 15th place out of 24 teams (2nd round)
2019 : 19 th place out of 32 teams

Include any team in Africa and Asia with the same mid place results to be classified as mid tier
 
DAdmiral said:
basically the winning (favorable 4 team group combination) is to have 1 team from Asia and 1 team from Africa. Now since all the teams in pot 7 and 8 are from Africa and Asia.
Any team that has another Asian or Africa team in the group from Pot 1, 5 and 6) has a favorable draw.
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Actually, the POTS 2,4,6,8 have the slightest schedule than POTS 1,3,5,7... POT 3 teams are more tough than POT 4, While POT 5 teams (except maybe for IRI) are better than POT 6 teams... POT 7 and 8 teams are basically even in terms of strength...
 
DAdmiral said:
You are over complicating things , you cannot over think things cause the difference between the teams in the top 2 pots is subjective marginal (excluding Gilas ) there are just tier levels of obvious difference in strength

Top tier : Top Euro and Americas and Australia
mid tier : 2nd tier Euro and Americas and NZ
lower tier: Asia and Africa

this is general , Tapos (period) , based on WC past performance and reputation . Past the 1st and 2nd round , you cannot overochestrate what will happen in terms of matchup , cause teams can always be upset .. the bottom line is the best scenario is 1st and 2nd round opponents are mostly lower tier and mid tier. better lower tier (for obvious reasons)
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I just explaining to you because you thinking NZL as same strength as Finland or DR even it's not... This is not 2002 version anymore.....
 
Giannis34GOD said:
I just explaining to you because you thinking NZL as same strength as Finland or DR even it's not... This is not 2002 version anymore.....
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It's not actually just my thinking (or opinion) it's actually verifiable by last 3 world cup results(Not 2002)

NZ classified as a mid tier is verifiable by results (not opinion)

2010 : 12th place out of 24 teams (2nd round)
2014: 15th place out of 24 teams (2nd round)
2019 : 19 th place out of 32 teams

Include any team in Africa and Asia with the same mid place results to be classified as mid tier​.

if you want to base it on perceived strength ( then that's opinion , which everyone has a different opinion ) .. and BTW how many times do i have to say i agree Gilas and teams prefer new zealand as beatable as compared to DR and Finland, so where is the bias you're talking about there ? It's actually you that are ignoring .. results and reputation that NZ has better results than any asian team for the last 3 world cups (not 2002 LOL, trying to deflect point again )

as to comparing Finland and DR World cup results , well here .. v ( BTW again i have no problem if preference is to beatable NZ, but simply on results they are actually in same tier )

Based on purely world cup performance (not level of talent or performance outside world cup ) indeed over the last decade NZL results are similar to 2nd tier Euro teams and 2nd tier Americas teams . The record results are all there. (Look below)

2010 - NZ beat Canada and France
2014 , NZ beat Ukraine and Finland
​​​2019 , NZ beat Turkey and Montenegro​

Yes admitted NZL is not as strong as Finland and DR , but overachieves in World cup (last 3). But they are verified mid tier world cup performers. Unlike Asia and most African teams. The results speak for itself
 
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...e-naturalised-china-fiba-basketball-world-cup


Sources close to the Chinese Basketball Association have told the Post that Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kyle Anderson is likely to be naturalised to play for China in time for this summer’s FIBA World Cup.



The nine-year NBA veteran is expected to fly to China after the end of the playoffs. The Timberwolves – who are the No 8 seeds in Western Conference – trail top seeds the Denver Nuggets 3-1 going into Wednesday’s game 5 in their best-of-seven, first-round series.



The process of naturalising Anderson began last year, the source said, with the 29-year-old American fitting the criteria set by CBA president and former NBA legend Yao Ming, who starred at the Houston Rockets.
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I think China in Pot 6 and with Anderson is a threat for lone Asian spot , with drawing an African team Pot 8 and a beatable Venezuela or PR from Pot 4

While Japan isnt actually in a favorable Pot as it has to group with a team in Pot 1 (not Gilas ) and Pot 3 and Pot 5 (with no African team)
 
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DAdmiral said:
I think China in Pot 6 and with Anderson is a threat for lone Asian spot , with drawing an African team Pot 8 and a beatable Venezuela or PR from Pot 4

While Japan isnt actually in a favorable Pot as it has to group with a team in Pot 1 (not Gilas ) and Pot 3 and Pot 5 (with no African team)
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Not sure about that. China has not beaten Venezuela in recent memory. They thought they can but they really can't. China picked Venezuela as their groupmates because they thought that this team was beatable. Venezuela beat China by 13 points. Chinese were no match with the combined athleticism, physicality and skills of the Venezuelans.

The playing style of Latin American teams is what the PBA and Chot have been dreaming of.
 
live_evil said:
Unless we send in Ranidel to provide a few minutes of "magic." hahaha
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we should also send Espino and his magic elbows, Giannis will have ptsd! similar to his 2014 experience against Gilas

personally i have no expectations with Gilas, ill just watch the game like watching NASCAR, im here for the pile up and car wrecks

how i wish gilas would do better though and get that olympic slot
 
DAdmiral said:
It's not actually just my thinking (or opinion) it's actually verifiable by last 3 world cup results(Not 2002)

NZ classified as a mid tier is verifiable by results (not opinion)

2010 : 12th place out of 24 teams (2nd round)
2014: 15th place out of 24 teams (2nd round)
2019 : 19 th place out of 32 teams

Include any team in Africa and Asia with the same mid place results to be classified as mid tier​.

if you want to base it on perceived strength ( then that's opinion , which everyone has a different opinion ) .. and BTW how many times do i have to say i agree Gilas and teams prefer new zealand as beatable as compared to DR and Finland, so where is the bias you're talking about there ? It's actually you that are ignoring .. results and reputation that NZ has better results than any asian team for the last 3 world cups (not 2002 LOL, trying to deflect point again )

as to comparing Finland and DR World cup results , well here .. v ( BTW again i have no problem if preference is to beatable NZ, but simply on results they are actually in same tier )

Based on purely world cup performance (not level of talent or performance outside world cup ) indeed over the last decade NZL results are similar to 2nd tier Euro teams and 2nd tier Americas teams . The record results are all there. (Look below)

2010 - NZ beat Canada and France
2014 , NZ beat Ukraine and Finland
​​​2019 , NZ beat Turkey and Montenegro​

Yes admitted NZL is not as strong as Finland and DR , but overachieves in World cup (last 3). But they are verified mid tier world cup performers. Unlike Asia and most African teams. The results speak for itself
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You can't compare on that past results to the actual strength of the national teams..... They are playing on the higher level continental competition that NZL doesn't (Only Australia and NZL competes in Oceania, only joined by Guam recently)... Finland and DR didn't benefit on past qualifiers since the old format takes only 5 Americas team and atleast 7 Euro teams in a 16 (or 24 in 2006) field WC tournament before.... But Euro and Americas basketball fans knows how tough Finland and DR today, especially having Markannen and KAT in the line up.... As many said, If NZL plays in Americas or Europe, they can't even qualify to in WC and Olympics in the past...
 
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ja.he said:
Not sure about that. China has not beaten Venezuela in recent memory. They thought they can but they really can't. China picked Venezuela as their groupmates because they thought that this team was beatable. Venezuela beat China by 13 points. Chinese were no match with the combined athleticism, physicality and skills of the Venezuelans.

The playing style of Latin American teams is what the PBA and Chot have been dreaming of.
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Well, They will add Anderson in their line up plus having Coach Dordevic to their coaching staff might elevate their chances... China still have favorable draw for me, Not Japan and even PHL... Unless PHL gets NZL as their POT 5 opponent in Group A... PHL have no chance vs DR or Finland...
 
hmbopbaduwap said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...e-naturalised-china-fiba-basketball-world-cup


Sources close to the Chinese Basketball Association have told the Post that Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kyle Anderson is likely to be naturalised to play for China in time for this summer’s FIBA World Cup.



The nine-year NBA veteran is expected to fly to China after the end of the playoffs. The Timberwolves – who are the No 8 seeds in Western Conference – trail top seeds the Denver Nuggets 3-1 going into Wednesday’s game 5 in their best-of-seven, first-round series.



The process of naturalising Anderson began last year, the source said, with the 29-year-old American fitting the criteria set by CBA president and former NBA legend Yao Ming, who starred at the Houston Rockets.
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China's potential starting 5

Guo Ailun
Zhao JiWei
Kyle Anderson
Ding Yanghuang
Zhou Qi


With some youngsters like Fang Zhebo will likely in the final line up too, I guess China w/ Anderson has slight edge over Hachimura led Japan... They (China) have deeper pool than Japan and taller line up compare to Japan.... But unfortunately, Hachimura, Anderson, Clarkson and Watanabe can't be available for Asian Games, since the NBA training camp will be held at same date w/ Asian Games starts....
 
Giannis34GOD said:
You can't compare on that past results to the actual strength of the national teams..... They are playing on the higher level continental competition that NZL doesn't (Only Australia and NZL competes in Oceania, only joined by Guam recently)... Finland and DR didn't benefit on past qualifiers since the old format takes only 5 Americas team and atleast 7 Euro teams in a 16 (or 24 in 2006) field WC tournament before.... But Euro and Americas basketball fans knows how tough Finland and DR today, especially having Markannen and KAT in the line up.... As many said, If NZL plays in Americas or Europe, they can't even qualify to in WC and Olympics in the past...
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For Nth time I continually admit NZ is preferred beatable team over DR and Finland by most... no one is arguing thst (please read) And yes if in Europe will not qualify (read again)

And again NZ has always been weaker in tslent thsn the 2 or 2nd tier Euro or Americas teams, but as they participate in each world cup they have proven time and time again to punch beyond their weight ( strength). The results verify this .why can't you get this ?

essentially NZL performs like a 2nd tier Euro or Americas team in the WC despite NOT having the same level talent as them. "UNDERSTAND?" (Verified by WC results not qualifers , comfusing others again)

How do they perform at a higher level beyond their talent level in WC ? Perhaps coaching , preperation and reality that the core players play regularly together for many years (unlike DR etc). Still cannot understand? I give up..

now here is the thing about matching up, when you're a weaker team like an Asian team your chances of beating a stronger talented team cannot be done by out talenting them but by better chemistry. So there actually is merit to choose opposition matchups that while more talented don't have as good cohesion. Casing point I would rather play a more talented team USA but hastily put together compared to playing a well oiled machine like Spain. Again this is a factor you fail to consider, "talented but not cohesive teams are easier to upset"

the NZL 2016 OQT is NOT more talented than the Gilas 2014 WC opponents (like PR or Croatia), but the NZL OQT team may perhaps be harder to beat as they're more prepared for Gilas and have been together for years.
 
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Bottom line

It is unanimous opinion that Gilas and Iran (if can group) are the most beatable teams in Pot 1 and 5 respectively

IT is NOT unanimous opinion with some of different opinion like Paolyo that NZ isn't necessarily the preferred opponent of Gilas from Pot 5 over Finland and DR. And there is actually some merit to that opinion however debatable.. (yun lang). I'm not saying they're absolutely right , but neither is it absolutely right that DR and Finland are better picks (it's difference in opinion).

But Gilas and Iran it's absolute, they are the most beatable teams in their Pot.
 
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