Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[IPC2]

the answer is what the UAAP is doing , no special treatment ( salary cap and long term resident required) to play as import. You cannot be offering imports short mercenary contracts at 3 times the amount per month of locals, they should just be paid like the best locals per year and required to play full season in the league . Not 2 -3 months , like asking batman to bring you to the promise land .. (for $$$$)

And in the UAAP, locals can be top scorers for their teams, like Schonny, Carl, Dave. Imports/FSAs usually aren't big scorers like Kouame and Diouf (yeah, they won MVP, but they weren't exactly go-to guys; Diouf wasn't much of a big minutes player), although Ben Mbala has been a go-to guy for La Salle, same with Bright Akhuetie for UP, and Soulemane Chabi Yo for UST.

In the PBA, how can you get teams to settle with role-player imports? Because low-level star imports or role player imports are the best they can get if they have the same pay as our best locals. Note lang that I'd also like our conception of imports as a go-to scorer or 34+ minute guy to change, to give locals a chance and for the import to simply fill what's lacking in the team. Scoring if the team lacks consistent go-to scorers like RoS.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

All-NBL team
C - Cooks, Sam Froling, Baynes
PG - McDowell-White, Corey Webster, McCarron
SF - Mitch Creek, Travers
SG - Chris Goulding, Tai Webster,
PF - Waardenberg, Pinder

PBA
C - Fajardo, CS
PF - Aguilar, Erram
PG - Bolick, Castro, Thompson
SG - Perez, Mikey Williams, lassiter
SF - Malonzo, Abueva

in a 7 game series, it will be a sweep..

and the closest all NBL vs PBA is the fiba asia qualifiers for 2019 world cup.. both games are lopsided..

That's an All-star exhibition lol

I think a better matchup is:
All Filipino Ginebra vs Sydney Kings without reinforcement (no Walton Jr, Soares, etc)
All Filipino San Miguel vs NZ Breakers without imports Barry Brown etc, and Next Star player

Talent wise we're not too far. We could actually win. Plus some of our best players are actually not playing in the PBA.

 

[DAdmiral2]

That's essentially similar to the NZL vs Gilas 2 window games last year , we all know how that went .

BTW the TBs in 2022 are much weaker than the local Breakers .
As nzl national team settles with those who can't.make a NBL roster or bench warmers rested ( realize Vodanovich, Samuel , Taane Samuel ngatai , prewster, Rustbatch etc) are NBL rejects and bench warmers yet essentially beat convincegly Gilas with PBA players ( Feb 2022)

For context the 2021 Breakers best kiwi 5 of Wetzell , Delaney, Abercombrie, Webster bros is actually more talented than the Tall Blacks 2019 World cup 19th place starting 5 and the OQT 2016 team that beat Gilas

the likelyhood of them suiting up for a EASL game is unlikely though , as these are Euro league pros (look even Corey Webster left for Motengro last week after the NBL in lieu of playing for tall blacks)

 

[Silent Killer2]

The SG position is set for World cup

Ramos, BRP Jr., Kabayan, heading

Thirdy will be cut.. The elder ravena will make it.. (played well against lebanon)

Perez might play as Points guard with kief and iskati..

That’s 7 players right there.. Kai is sure in that makes 8..

 

[IPC2]

The SG position is set for World cup

Ramos, BRP Jr., Kabayan, heading

Thirdy will be cut.. The elder ravena will make it.. (played well against lebanon)

Perez might play as Points guard with kief and iskati..

That’s 7 players right there.. Kai is sure in that makes 8..

Candidates for the remaining 4 are Japeth, Malonzo, June Mar, Carl, and Mason.

Japeth and June Mar might as well be in, so that leaves Carl, Malonzo, and Mason.

 

[Rds2]

While this win was good it is too optimistic to assume that we are in for a better performance in the WC. This game showed the Junemar might have regressed. While his defense was marginally improved, his offense has gone down a lot. He is not strong enough inside anymore to offset his weakness on the perimeter. Mason has show great offensive skills. But he is a tweener on defense. Too slow to player the perimeter but to weak to guard the post. Strong as his scoring was he had a worse plus minus than Junemar was with a -3. Probably because of his defense. Malonzo has played well. But we don't know how he'll fare against better competition. Also, Brownlee plays a bigger position than Clarkson and is better defensively. We will lose a lot of defense without Brownlee. While Clarkson is not used anymore to facilitating an offense.

Kai would have helped us for sure. But after him, who do we rely on in the paint? Japeth might get injured again, as he often has recently. Tamayo is no rim protector. We'll have a better idea against Jordan which will probably simulate the size of the WC competition better.

 

[Joe Yabuki2]

While this win was good it is too optimistic to assume that we are in for a better performance in the WC. This game showed the Junemar might have regressed. While his defense was marginally improved, his offense has gone down a lot. He is not strong enough inside anymore to offset his weakness on the perimeter. Mason has show great offensive skills. But he is a tweener on defense. Too slow to player the perimeter but to weak to guard the post. Strong as his scoring was he had a worse plus minus than Junemar was with a -3. Probably because of his defense. Malonzo has played well. But we don't know how he'll fare against better competition. Also, Brownlee plays a bigger position than Clarkson and is better defensively. We will lose a lot of defense without Brownlee. While Clarkson is not used anymore to facilitating an offense.

Kai would have helped us for sure. But after him, who do we rely on in the paint? Japeth might get injured again, as he often has recently. Tamayo is no rim protector. We'll have a better idea against Jordan which will probably simulate the size of the WC competition better.

Balti? The sudden eligibility of phelps? Though the problem with Balti is his rust

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Candidates for the remaining 4 are Japeth, Malonzo, June Mar, Carl, and Mason.

Japeth and June Mar might as well be in, so that leaves Carl, Malonzo, and Mason.

All of you forgetting AJ Edu... He's badly needed for your team... He's so undervalued... He's now doing fine in US NCAA managing his minutes, doing dirty work and can defend...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

While this win was good it is too optimistic to assume that we are in for a better performance in the WC. This game showed the Junemar might have regressed. While his defense was marginally improved, his offense has gone down a lot. He is not strong enough inside anymore to offset his weakness on the perimeter. Mason has show great offensive skills. But he is a tweener on defense. Too slow to player the perimeter but to weak to guard the post. Strong as his scoring was he had a worse plus minus than Junemar was with a -3. Probably because of his defense. Malonzo has played well. But we don't know how he'll fare against better competition. Also, Brownlee plays a bigger position than Clarkson and is better defensively. We will lose a lot of defense without Brownlee. While Clarkson is not used anymore to facilitating an offense.

Kai would have helped us for sure. But after him, who do we rely on in the paint? Japeth might get injured again, as he often has recently. Tamayo is no rim protector. We'll have a better idea against Jordan which will probably simulate the size of the WC competition better.

So you want Brownlee (PBA GOAT import) over Clarkson (NBA 6th man of the year)? Cmon!!! Are you smoking cocaine?

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Congrats on South Sudan, Philippines might have noise but the biggest news in whole qualifiers are SSD.. They are now talk of the town by qualifying their first FIBA WC appearance in their 1st try and youngest country on earth... Honestly, of all African teams should be avoided in the Draw, It will be them... I don't know what is their limit but they have potential to be a powerhouse team in basketball world...

 

[IPC2]

All of you forgetting AJ Edu... He's badly needed for your team... He's so undervalued... He's now doing fine in US NCAA managing his minutes, doing dirty work and can defend...

If he's healthy and can play a few minutes, AJ should be good too.

 

[IPC2]

Assuming Japs and AJ are centers .
Are Malonzo and Amos then our likely 4s for WC ? (Tamayo being other 1). Tough question if has to choose between Carl and Mason who would u pick? It's a legitimate scenario given generally you only go with 5 bigs (Kai, Aj, japs, Malonzo being the main bigs

I like the idea of a Malonzo-Baltazar-Amos rotation at the 4 spot. I feel Tamayo & Amos have almost the same skill set, although I see Amos as having the bigger potential.

As I've said, I predict Amos becoming a high quality stretch-4 in Asian basketball who would be within the same level as Lebanon's Ali Haidar in abput 4 yrs time.

Tamayo, as they are right now they both provide spacing and can shoot but Tamayo is physically ready for the higher level and can defend the post.

Mason's a more sure shooter, but Carl's a better defender, both in switches and in the post. Carl can stay in front of guys better now, but Mason can learn that given enough training, as I think he's more athletic than Carl.

I'd still wanna pick both for the 4, though.

 

[IPC2]

There was a stretch that Junemar was being hunted by Lebanon's shooters. They seemed to have like 3 straight 3s over him. If this Lebanon team that's missing a lot of their A players is able to abuse Junemar what more in the World Cup? Clarkson cannot play PF or sometimes C like Brownlee. Japeth seems to be brittle at this state of his career. It seems we will be having missing a lof size with Kai our only sure serviceable big on defense. Malonzo was good in this game but we saw him struggle against these teams when they had their bigger players.

I’ll choose aj edu (if healthy) over jmf for the final wc roster.
Is there a chance aj could play in the qualifiers, sea games or asian games?

I want whatever you're smoking

AJ Edu is the best defensive big man among the local prospect.. He should be a lock...

It's just one game, but June Mar's kind of concerning. He didn't look like the June Mar of old last night. He wasn't utilized that often on offense, which magnified the problems he posed defensively. As Rds said, he was targeted by shooters, and was slow to rotate both on drives and on threes.

That's why people would want AJ Edu. For defense, since Kai and Japeth are the only defensive presence we've had at 5 for these windows.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

It's just one game, but June Mar's kind of concerning. He didn't look like the June Mar of old last night. He wasn't utilized that often on offense, which magnified the problems he posed defensively. As Rds said, he was targeted by shooters, and was slow to rotate both on drives and on threes.

That's why people would want AJ Edu. For defense, since Kai and Japeth are the only defensive presence we've had at 5 for these windows.

JMF is still a shoo-in. AJ Edu too.
Junemar's slow feet, and JC's horrendous defense could be easily addressed during the Gilas training camp.
In the WC we can't sacrifice size once Kai sits, JMF is still a valid inside presence when in prime condition.

PG: Scottie, CJ
SG: Dwight, BRP Jr.
SF: JC, Jamie
PF: AJ Edu, Japeth, Carl
C: Kai, Junemar

12th spot - Mike Philips, Quiambao, Oftana, Amos, Heading
Sedrick Barefield (if all of the sudden eligible)
Mikey Williams (if all of the sudden eligible)
Ange Kouame (if JC becomes classified as local)

 

[DAdmiral2]

Unpopular take , a NP who can play 4 and with his presence increase each of Dwight, Parks and Kai's scoring avg by 5 pts , to me is better than Clarkson option.

But it will be political suicide not to use Clarkson.

Philippine basketball has to get to realization stage that it can't win on talent (as it will always inferior) but has to rely on chemistry to beat stronger talented teams..
The idea is you're building a team and program , Not simply fielding best player available.
What's the difference? Do you want your best locals Kai, Dwight etc to be maximize and develop or NoT ?
Build a core playing prolonged together, (Not a hugot collection)

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

Unpopular take , a NP who can play 4 and with his presence increase each of Dwight, Parks and Kai's scoring avg by 5 pts , to me is better than Clarkson option.

But it will be political suicide not to use Clarkson.

Philippine basketball has to get to realization stage that it can't win on talent (as it will always inferior) but has to rely on chemistry to beat stronger talented teams..
The idea is you're building a team and program , Not simply fielding best player available.
What's the difference? Do you want your best locals Kai, Dwight etc to be maximize and develop or NoT ?
Build a core playing prolonged together, (Not a hugot collection)

bad take that Philippine basketball will always be inferior. What SBP is doing now is making sure our talented pool plays together and builds chemistry up until the World Cup 2023 and beyond. Transition from individualistic play from their mother teams to cohesive team play in FIBA. It was on full display yesterday what this Gilas team is capable of.

Also bad take to pull out Jordan Clarkson. Who in the right mind will gamble with an unproven naturalized 4 in place of one of the most prolific scorers in the NBA today. We can run a system the whole game then turn to JC during crunch time. A team always needs that one guy who can close games out. We didn't have that luxury in World Cup 2014. Plus we already have the 4 and 5 positions covered.

Wait for this Gilas team to pull off a lopsided win against the Tall Blacks and a close win against Boomers so naysayers can finally be quiet.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Disclaimer correction I said individual talent will always be inferior to elite World level teams, and we need to rely on chemistry to beat superior talented teams ( never referred to the program being inferior).
BTW I didn't say it necessary has to be Brownlee, but here is the thing if we are saying we are building the chemistry of the core (and Brownlee is the one getting most of the reps (cohesion with others). Then taking hin out , defeats the purpose , as he is a central piece talent to the chemistry being developed.

The Tall Blacks are also inferior in individual talent compared to top tier world level teams, it's this realization that allows them to focus on chemistry to win .
Those are two different things altogether.

 

[Rds2]

It's just one game, but June Mar's kind of concerning. He didn't look like the June Mar of old last night. He wasn't utilized that often on offense, which magnified the problems he posed defensively. As Rds said, he was targeted by shooters, and was slow to rotate both on drives and on threes.

That's why people would want AJ Edu. For defense, since Kai and Japeth are the only defensive presence we've had at 5 for these windows.

With Edu's health a big question mark I would say Balti is the next best defensive big. He played decent against the two Leb teams in Dubai.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

Disclaimer correction I said individual talent will always be inferior to elite World level teams, and we need to rely on chemistry to beat superior talented teams ( never referred to the program being inferior).
BTW I didn't say it necessary has to be Brownlee, but here is the thing if we are saying we are building the chemistry of the core (and Brownlee is the one getting most of the reps (cohesion with others). Then taking hin out , defeats the purpose , as he is a central piece talent to the chemistry being developed.

The Tall Blacks are also inferior in individual talent compared to top tier world level teams, it's this realization that allows them to focus on chemistry to win .
Those are two different things altogether.

talent wise I don't think we're inferior to elite World level teams. this core can go far if kept intact. we can keep games close and competitive but we need someone like JC to make sure we dont crumble in the end. End-game execution killed us multiple times already. JC will always be an upgrade to JB, and at the World Level when you need a bucket during close games vs the likes of Serbia, France, Argentina.. you give the ball to someone who can score vs World-level defenders on a nightly basis.

Despite JB's familiarity with his teammates and chemistry displayed last night, Justin Brownlee's toughest competition lately is only the PBA.

JC just needs a month or 2 to build more chemistry with the core and to get accustomed to FIBA play as he still has the tendency to show boat and play hero ball. Also needs to work on his defensive awareness. He has always been a plug & play for Gilas, so he's relatively still inexperienced compared to his peers (Luka, Jokic, Giannis, Schroder) in FIBA. Let's see how a rigorous training camp can unleash the true potential of a JC-led Gilas team.

 

[DAdmiral2]

The idea of building a core together for a generation, is minumim 2 to 4 years ( not a 2 month thing). This is indeed the most common blue print , even the 2014 Version of Gilas was a 2012 to 2014 thing .

Which brings me to this Version, who actually has played to most together and looking at 2027 WC would is likely to be there and gained a significant time together .

Let me call out the obvious
Kai
Dwight
Heading (actually)
Thirdy/Malonzo
Of course the NP ( and my take it's best to get a combo forward)

Maybe Carl, Mason , really don't know

But that really the essence , not a put together 2 month thing .