Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

Here's to hoping at least one of Coach Goldwyn, Coach Ayo, and the others from Tab's coaching tree will turn out to be great at developing players.

Otherwise, it's back to the Dark Ages for PH basketball, except there will be nothing like the Paranaque Jets around to scare the head honchos shitless.

add coach charles tiu and topex robinson to that list.

In terms of development of players, SBP should also keep an eye on MPBL since it's a stopover for amateur players before going to PBA, also a relegation league for underperforming PBA players. our minor league used to be PBA DLeague, but now it's MPBL. Conditioning-wise and income-wise it may be beneficial short-term.... but the style of play and coaching in that league and other leagues outside the PBA is detrimental to the development of our players. It may be entertaining, yes, but it's just not the way basketball is supposed to be played.

When players are called up from the MPBL to the PBA, they have to unlearn a lot of bad habits they acquired from that league.

 

[IPC2]

add coach charles tiu and topex robinson to that list.

In terms of development of players, SBP should also keep an eye on MPBL since it's a stopover for amateur players before going to PBA, also a relegation league for underperforming PBA players. our minor league used to be PBA DLeague, but now it's MPBL. Conditioning-wise and income-wise it may be beneficial short-term.... but the style of play and coaching in that league and other leagues outside the PBA is detrimental to the development of our players. It may be entertaining, yes, but it's just not the way basketball is supposed to be played.

When players are called up from the MPBL to the PBA, they have to unlearn a lot of bad habits they acquired from that league.

Jeff Napa too. He led a less talented NU to 3rd in the UAAP. I hope he's good at development.

For Goldwin, Napa, Charles, and Topex, let's see if they can develop further for the FIBA game, not just for the Pinoy game. Proper size and skillset for position, especially for 3 (Oftana, Lopez, and Navarro) and 4 (Tamayo, Baltazar, Mason Amos, Seven Gagate, Luis Pablo). Hope to see Aldous Torculas, Mark Belmonte, Jared Abadam, Jonnel Policarpio, and Jolo Manansala as wings, and for Torculas, Abadam, and Manansala as 2/3 players. And Sonny Estil and Zenric Jarque for Charles.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

Jeff Napa too. He led a less talented NU to 3rd in the UAAP. I hope he's good at development.

For Goldwin, Napa, Charles, and Topex, let's see if they can develop further for the FIBA game, not just for the Pinoy game. Proper size and skillset for position, especially for 3 (Oftana, Lopez, and Navarro) and 4 (Tamayo, Baltazar, Mason Amos, Seven Gagate, Luis Pablo). Hope to see Aldous Torculas, Mark Belmonte, Jared Abadam, Jonnel Policarpio, and Jolo Manansala as wings, and for Torculas, Abadam, and Manansala as 2/3 players. And Sonny Estil and Zenric Jarque for Charles.

And sometimes.... developing a team and players aligned to the FIBA game (proper size and skillset for position) requires hoarding of players. That's just the reality of PH basketball, we have A LOT of emerging tall players ready to be developed but still scarce for them to be distributed equally among teams. That's where recruitment of Fil-For players come in.

 

[IPC2]

And sometimes.... developing a team and players aligned to the FIBA game (proper size and skillset for position) requires hoarding of players. That's just the reality of PH basketball, we have A LOT of emerging tall players ready to be developed but still scarce for them to be distributed equally among teams. That's where recruitment of Fil-For players come in.

Hoarding only becomes a problem for me if those tall players don't get the opportunities they need. We have a surplus of guards (most teams are frankly security agencies of undersized guards) and undersized wings and bigs (as in the Sangalang, Arana, Belga types, not the more versatile ones like RDO and Ping). What we lack are wings like Oftana, Lopez, Navarro, and Gabe, and tweeners like Carl, Balti, and Mason. I'm referring to size and skillset na rin, a.

Hoarding also becomes a problem if the eligible tall players at 3 or even 4 sit on the bench behind their undersized and/or FIBA-underskilled counterparts. That's why I'm hoping Abadam and Jonnel Policarpio of La Salle, and Mark Belmonte and Aldous Torculas of UP, and Josh and Lazaro Jason Credo of Ateneo can develop into their FIBA positions, which is 3 or 2/3.

And yeah, the Fil-fors are better simulation for the FIBA game, especially guys like Lucero, Villegas, Ballungay, Mason. We just need some similarly-sized and skilled eligible wings and tweeners.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

For Filipino fans out there....

https://www.manilatimes.net/2023/02/18/sports/gilas-to-play-in-pocket-tournament/1879212

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

The greatest prospect since LBJ will be playing for France in upcoming FIBA WC this summer, Victor Wembayanma will be one of the biggest attraction for the event aside from the "Big 3" of Europe (Luka, Giannis and Jokic) plus team USA... It will be treat for the fans, not just Filipinos, but nearby Asian basketball fans who want to see Wemby plays before entering NBA next season.... I've talked some Indonesian, Malaysian, Vietnamese and Taiwanese basketball fans that they will watch the event and Wemby is one of their top attractions to watch for... But they tell me that when will announced where those teams will play, I tell them that April 29 is the date of draw and after that they will book a ticket either Manila, Okinawa or Jakarta to book a reserve seats for upcoming FIBA WC... they tell me that it's an opportunity for Asian fans to see some of NBA superstars in action nearby Asia, because it's too expensive if they will travel all the way to US to watch NBA games...


https://www.eurohoops.net/en/fibawc/1464687/victor-wembanyama-talks-france-world-cup-fiba/

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

If i were Ben Simmons, I will play for upcoming FIBA WC this year... His confidence is already down and he needs some environment to rebuild his confidence back... And his presence in Boomers team will be perfect opportunity to regain his confidence again... He will be alongside his fellow Aussies and they will help him back to what he was before... He will be one of the leaders for the Boomers and it will be benefit for him career wise if he shows up... And also for the organizers for this event, Simmons' entry will be a big hit too, even his average are down... He's still one of the best international players in the NBA today...


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/02/...reen-and-gold/

 

[thatweirdguy2]

If i were Ben Simmons, I will play for upcoming FIBA WC this year... His confidence is already down and he needs some environment to rebuild his confidence back... And his presence in Boomers team will be perfect opportunity to regain his confidence again... He will be alongside his fellow Aussies and they will help him back to what he was before... He will be one of the leaders for the Boomers and it will be benefit for him career wise if he shows up... And also for the organizers for this event, Simmons' entry will be a big hit too, even his average are down... He's still one of the best international players in the NBA today...


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/02/...reen-and-gold/

He's broken. I'm not really sure he'll be a good presence with the team. And he's a not a scoring threat. The Boomers already have some good defensive players who can't shoot not really sure how he'll fit in.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

He's broken. I'm not really sure he'll be a good presence with the team. And he's a not a scoring threat. The Boomers already have some good defensive players who can't shoot not really sure how he'll fit in.

Well, he's still better than most of Australian players that Aussies can offer... Ben has the height, talent, athleticism and all he needs is confidence... I think coach Goorjian is the right guy who can tame him and unlock his ability... Only Boomers stint will help Ben's career as of now and both will benefit in a long run...

 

[DAdmiral2]

For FIBA ball, NO he's not. Would put Cooks and Travers already ahead of him ,(but no problem if he's your bench player

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

For FIBA ball, NO he's not. Would put Cooks and Travers already ahead of him ,(but no problem if he's your bench player

But Ben still better than those two combined... Aussies can't deny his talent... Coaching staffs should find a way where Ben will be fit in...

 

[DAdmiral2]

Actually disagree beside Landale, Thybulle and Ingles , Cooks to me is a better role fit now compared to Ben.

Ben might be Actually better as the back up center (im serious)
You can't play Ben anymore with another big .
And certainly can't play him as your PG in FIBA zone

1..Mills, Giddey
2 Green, Daniels
3 Ingles , Thybulle
4. Cooks
5 Landale / Simmons

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Actually disagree beside Landale, Thybulle and Ingles , Cooks to me is a better role fit now compared to Ben.

Ben might be Actually better as the back up center (im serious)
You can't play Ben anymore with another big .
And certainly can't play him as your PG in FIBA zone

1..Mills, Giddey
2 Green, Daniels
3 Ingles , Thybulle
4. Cooks
5 Landale / Simmons

He can play 4 ala Draymond Green for GSW / Team USA... He's doing right now with Nets w/ KD and Kyrie (Before Leaving)... He doesn't need to score there, His size especially in defense definitely an asset because only few can match him size by size in FIBA setting... He's legit NBAer after all...

 

[DAdmiral2]

Not according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA

Vaughn admitted: “It’s going to be some work that we have to do.

“Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.

“Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T


Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBA

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

World Cup is nearing.

I think we are set for JC as our NP.

So our Bigs will be Kai, Japeth, Junmar, and Hopefully AJ if becomes healthy enough.

I know some posters here doesn't like the idea of Japeth and Junmar playing for Gilas cause of different reasons. But it's not like we have other choices.

And no, I don't think Tamayo, Baltazar, or other combo Forwards will be converted to Center. I hope not.

 

[CoJ2]

Not according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA

Vaughn admitted: “It’s going to be some work that we have to do.

“Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.

“Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T


Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBA

its all mental/psychological now for ben simmons. from being touted as the next lbj to now this, virtually unplayable in crunch time, and now unplayable at all

either that kardashian curse is real or simmons lost his soul in that atl-ph series

 

[carmelo72]

Not according to Nets coach , (he can't play alongside a big at 4 ), it gets worst for FIBA

Vaughn admitted: ?It?s going to be some work that we have to do.

?Because you just take a look at what the lineups could potentially look like. You put another big next to Ben, then you got to figure out what the spacing is around him.

?Then if you put another playmaker next to him, then you got to figure out what Ben looks like without the basketball. T


Do not underestimate the NBL and Cooks (who's breaking all kind of records) as we've witnessed both Landale and Giddey translated their NBL games to the NBA, Cooks will be in the NBA next season.
Do not forget NBL uses FIBA rules , unlike the NBA

Disagree, NBA level is so much higher than FIBA & NBL, it'll be best for Simmons to play at both (NBL&Fiba) to reclaim his confidence. The comments made by the Nets coach is strictly on a NBA perspective.
Its the toughest league and without supreme confidence in your abilities despite the physical gifts and attributes of Simmons it makes it almost impossible to play at that level.
In terms or raw abilities Ben Simmons I believe is still the top talent from Australia, he needs his confidence back. A player can only drop this low via injuries and/or broken confidence.
We've always noted that there are levels to basketbal, those 12th player on the worst NBA team that cant get any playing time can light up any leagues (Euro,NBL etc) if given the opportunity to play.
We saw a certain Shane Larkin dropping 38pts back in 2019 to win in Game 7 of the Turkish league, former NBA vets like Bogut who was on his last basketball legs still winning in 2018 and the NBL MVP and Banes still making an impact or at the very least serviceable.
It's all about levels and confidence in basketball. Those who played the game (on any levels including baranggay lol) are well aware of these.
No one is foolish enough to underestimate the NBL level as it has produced top nba talents (Giddey, Bogut,Ingles) but to say Simmons is now at a much lower tier than the others (FIBA level)
looks premature.
A prime Ben Simmons is a Top 25 NBA talent. We can all remember Markelle Fultz who at his worst because of physical issues (lost his ability to take a fluid jumpshot) almost dropped out of the nba and now he's back healthy and looks every bit of the 1st overall pick. I expect a full recovery from Simmons as well.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

Disagree, NBA level is so much higher than FIBA & NBL, it'll be best for Simmons to play at both (NBL&Fiba) to reclaim his confidence. The comments made by the Nets coach is strictly on a NBA perspective.
Its the toughest league and without supreme confidence in your abilities despite the physical gifts and attributes of Simmons it makes it almost impossible to play at that level.
In terms or raw abilities Ben Simmons I believe is still the top talent from Australia, he needs his confidence back. A player can only drop this low via injuries and/or broken confidence.
We've always noted that there are levels to basketbal, those 12th player on the worst NBA team that cant get any playing time can light up any leagues (Euro,NBL etc) if given the opportunity to play.
We saw a certain Shane Larkin dropping 38pts back in 2019 to win in Game 7 of the Turkish league, former NBA vets like Bogut who was on his last basketball legs still winning in 2018 and the NBL MVP and Banes still making an impact or at the very least serviceable.
It's all about levels and confidence in basketball. Those who played the game (on any levels including baranggay lol) are well aware of these.
No one is foolish enough to underestimate the NBL level as it has produced top nba talents (Giddey, Bogut,Ingles) but to say Simmons is now at a much lower tier than the others (FIBA level)
looks premature.
A prime Ben Simmons is a Top 25 NBA talent. We can all remember Markelle Fultz who at his worst because of physical issues (lost his ability to take a fluid jumpshot) almost dropped out of the nba and now he's back healthy and looks every bit of the 1st overall pick. I expect a full recovery from Simmons as well.

this is absolutely true. plus Ben Simmons doesn't have the leverage now to beg off, it's not like he's considered a franchise player anymore or an All-Star.

The three point line is also shorter in FIBA, so that might tweak his psyche a little bit. He can shoot, it's all in his head. He just needs to feel like he can carry a team again, get out of the slump, and get his groove back. If he can't perform against FIBA competition, where he's playing against players who can't even make it to the NBA, maybe he should hang it up.. World Cup is an opportunity for him to redeem his name.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Don't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules

No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA

The core Boomers have chemistry build , you don't want to disrupt that we a 1st time FiBA player who has no confidence.

Ben can play a Ben Wallace with passing FIBA role

 

[thatweirdguy2]

Don't forget Landale a center is productive in the NBA
Spacing is the issue with Ben to play alongside another center . Especially with FIBA rules

No one is suggesting Ben Simmons (who's never played FIBA)should not play for the Boomers, just saying he can play as center as a back up, (which is really a good center for FIBA

Landale can occasionally hit the 3. Though I still question what is Ben going to do on offense since they got better ballhandlers/true bigs who are 2 way players. They can lock up players better than Simmons can and are actual scoring threats.