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Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

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paliganibossalfrancis said:
I think no point for SBP to include players they already saw but dont have a chance to make it to the World Cup team. They're ramping up preps for August.

Abando SJ RJ are next in line but not for this year.
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SJ and RJ are both undersized.

Rhenz doesn’t offer anything that Dwight or BRP can’t provide.
 
sroth3839 said:
SJ and RJ are both undersized.

Rhenz doesn’t offer anything that Dwight or BRP can’t provide.
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Shot blocking? Though we don't really need that from the guard position. He's really explosive though.

Heading IMO still is our best shooter.
 
they could tap rj,sj and renz for the asian games though, barring any schedule issues, SBP/Chot is planning to send a different team anyway
 
CoJ said:
they could tap rj,sj and renz for the asian games though, barring any schedule issues, SBP/Chot is planning to send a different team anyway
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With AJ Edu and Brownlee by the way... although they have to monitor what China will use in Asian Games in terms of eligibility as concerned... They are the host and they can select either FIBA eligibility or OCA eligibility.. Since this is China and we all know this is their no.1 sport and they want to retain their title, then they will have the leverage for that what will use for Asian Games
 
sroth3839 said:
SJ and RJ are both undersized.

Rhenz doesn?t offer anything that Dwight or BRP can?t provide.
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You never know what SJ & RJ may develop into. But as I've said, no point inviting them now, they will not make it to the lineup anyway.

And yes, no one can provide what Dwight can. He's a shoo-in and core member of Gilas for 2-3 more FIBA cycles.

However, BRP is getting old and would need a replacement moving forward after WC2023. Rhenz Abando although a few inches shorter than BRP, is a contender to take his spot.

Anyway, is Alec Stockton eligible? He was such a revelation earlier against SMB. Aldin Ayo developed him into a point guard who's a scoring threat. 6'1, 24 years old with leaping ability and high IQ. Huge upside. Confidence was his issue going into PBA, but now he's gotten over the hump. Reincarnation of JJ Helterbrand.
 
Giannis34GOD said:
With AJ Edu and Brownlee by the way... although they have to monitor what China will use in Asian Games in terms of eligibility as concerned... They are the host and they can select either FIBA eligibility or OCA eligibility.. Since this is China and we all know this is their no.1 sport and they want to retain their title, then they will have the leverage for that what will use for Asian Games
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AJ Edu no problem. He already represented us in Batang Gilas.

In the Asian Games, 99% Jordan Clarkson can't play. Crucial year for him as he's seeking to breach $20M a year. Even Kai is doubtful if he makes it to an NBA training camp, since the competition will be late October.

If we can somehow put Ange, Barefield, Mikey Williams & Brownlee together for Asian Games, that can give us a legitimate chance to get at least a medal. But since China is the host, highly unlikely this will be allowed.
 
paliganibossalfrancis said:
AJ Edu no problem. He already represented us in Batang Gilas.

In the Asian Games, 99% Jordan Clarkson can't play. Crucial year for him as he's seeking to breach $20M a year. Even Kai is doubtful if he makes it to an NBA training camp, since the competition will be late October.

If we can somehow put Ange, Barefield, Mikey Williams & Brownlee together for Asian Games, that can give us a legitimate chance to get at least a medal. But since China is the host, highly unlikely this will be allowed.
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You named those players who will give Chinese team very big problem... That's why highly doubtful they will use OCA eligibility rules... China will not win against that kind of line up, maybe on 2026 Asian Games when Japan will host... They (China) already have hard time last 2018 when Gilas inserted ineligible players but w/o team chemistry due to issues with professional schedules.... They know Philippines' capability if sending much talented ineligible players...
 
Giannis34GOD said:
You named those players who will give Chinese team very big problem... That's why highly doubtful they will use OCA eligibility rules... China will not win against that kind of line up, maybe on 2026 Asian Games when Japan will host... They (China) already have hard time last 2018 when Gilas inserted ineligible players but w/o team chemistry due to issues with professional schedules.... They know Philippines' capability if sending much talented ineligible players...
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If I were Chot, go all out in WC2023, make sure we're the best Asian team to qualify to Paris Olympics (we are the host anyway, breaks of the game and some calls may go our way).

If we don't qualify for Olympics, it's a brand new FIBA cycle for us;

If this happens, field in a young Cadet team in the Asian Games (example: LeBron, Rhenz, Amos, AJ Edu, Gozum, JGDL, Schonny, Caelum Harris, Ildefonso, etc.), use that as a build up for FIBA Asia Cup 2025. Discover 2-3 players in that team that may be added to the core Gilas team. Look to qualify at least QFs. Asian Games don't matter in FIBA rankings anyway.

However, if we do qualify for the Olympics, and China uses FIBA eligibility rules, field in the same World Cup 2023 core, keep our pride as best Asian team intact. Since NBA season is on the horizon, replace JC with either Ange or Brownlee, Kai will be a big loss but depending on who they choose between Ange or Brownlee, a PBA big or another proven wing will be enough to win Asian Games.

If they use OCA eligibility, and everybody is available (JC & Kai available all of the sudden), it's gonna be an overkill to be honest.

Possible Asian Games lineup (OCA eligibility) -- with JC & Kai

PG Sedrick Barefield
SG Justin Brownlee
SF Jordan Clarkson
PF AJ Edu
C Kai Sotto

PG Mikey Williams
PG Scottie Thompson
SG Bobby Ray Parks Jr.
SG Jamie Malonzo
SF Dwight Ramos
PF Carl Tamayo
C Ange Kouame

Possible Asian Games lineup (OCA eligibility) -- without JC & Kai

PG Scottie Thompson
SG Dwight Ramos
SF Justin Brownlee
PF Japeth Aguilar
C AJ Edu

PG CJ Perez
PG Sedrick Barefield
SF Carl Tamayo
SF Kevin Quiambao
SG Bobby Ray Parks Jr.
SF Calvin Oftana
C Junemar Fajardo

Possible Asian Games lineup (FIBA eligibility) without JC & Kai

PG Scottie Thompson
SG Dwight Ramos
SF Justin Brownlee
PF Japeth Aguilar
C AJ Edu

PG CJ Perez
PG Robert Bolick
SF Carl Tamayo
SF Kevin Quiambao
SG Bobby Ray Parks Jr.
SF Calvin Oftana
C Junemar Fajardo

Possible Asian Games lineup (FIBA eligibility) if PH doesn't qualify for Olympics; Kai & JC goes to NBA training camp; PBA players beg off

PG Schonny Winston
SG Kobe Paras
SF Francis Lopez
PF Ange Kouame
C AJ Edu

PG Juan Gomez de Liano
SG Dwight Ramos
SG Rhenz Abando
SF Dave Ildefonso
SF/PF Mason Amos
SF/PF Carl Tamayo
SF/PF Kevin Quiambao
Reserves: SG/SF Caelum Harris
SF/PF Will Gozum
PF Justine Baltazar
 
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Taiwan will host Lithuania, France and Latvia for a series of tune up games before FIBA WC in summer.... Lucky for Taiwan even they are not qualified for this summer's big basketball event, As they will test their skills vs Europeans powerhouse...


https://focustaiwan.tw/sports/202302130014
 
Giannis34GOD said:
They also hosted numerous Eurobasket tourneys in the past... It's time that FIBA picks them as one of the host nations next WC edition... All of FIBA's criteria on hosting duties are exactly suitable for Lithuania..

Basketball popularity: Check
Good venues: Check
Social media platforms: Check
Team strength: Check
Time discrepancy: Check (Western side of globe can watch the event early evening or late afternoon, while eastern side of globe can watch late evening or early midnight)..

Their only problem is market, Since their population is only 3 million people, But that is not a problem anymore due to social media preference... It's easy to spread the event thru social media videos/highlights even in the heavily market countries likes China, US, Australia, etc..... If FIFA picks Qatar as host that has only 2 million inhabitants (most of people are workers, only atleast 300k are locals)... Then why not FIBA picking Lithuania that has proven a basketball hotbed in Europe....
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In the US market this coming WBC will fail and the network that acquired the license to broadcast will lose money.The timeline for playing it live doesn't match primetime in the US,seocnd its September where American sports fans are deep in the MLB playoffs and championship,second its American football season so we all know from Thursday to Sunday its,High School,College and NFL on tv.It also affects the viewing of fans from Japan,Korea and Australia where the two sports are very popular and they have native players playing.The NFL last season played 5 international games,not exhibitions in England,Germany and Mexico and they all sold out,If the NFL just gonna be an ass about it,they should have games in Australia and Japan and England as usual during the WBC games.MLB playoffs and championship broadcasts all over Asia,South America and Canada where they have players playing in almost all the teams.
 
BTW based on Chot's description and complaints on lack of bigs , Kai and Japeth are indeed are top 2 centers , rim protector
So essentially they are shoo ins for 2023 WC
 
sroth3839 said:
A healthy AJ Edu says hi.
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his minutes has been slowly ramping up the past month compared to last year, i hope he gets back to being 100% by the time the ncaa season ends and stays healthy the rest of the way
 
KoolAid said:
Is Jones Cup already a defunct tournament??
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Litterally for all intents and purposes it was replaced by the Asia cup. ( I know that sounds harsh and FIBA promotions try hard to change narrative. , but it really is how the Asia cup was treated by most a glorified Asian invitational tournament (serious). Of course i know officially Asian teams were required to send teams (but that's just to comply with rules )

When your mythical 5 awardee Smith-Milner is avg less than 5 min in his NBL team , you know the level is low and not taken seriously.
 
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DDO Sr. and CTC are not your typical developmental type of a coach in the mold of CTB, with that “Win Now” type of coaching philosophy no wonder the likes of the Rasengan Kelly will be officially part of that final 12 for next week’s window games. Aside from MA, I’m also hoping that the likes of KQuiam and Francis may somehow crack that 11th and 12th spot because Gilas really need to invest on the future and those kids MA, KQ and FL will be the next generation and they really needs all possible international exposure to gain more experience and confidence moving forward. As for the likes of Justine, Geo and AK34 whose name keeps on popping on several platform why they are not included in the pool, well if you had those kind of coaches who are impatient enough to mold players and only thinks what’s is now not tomorrow then goodluck for that.
 
DDO Sr. and CTC are not your typical developmental type of a coach in the mold of CTB, with that ?Win Now? type of coaching philosophy no wonder the likes of the Rasengan Kelly will be officially part of that final 12 for next week?s window games. Aside from MA, I?m also hoping that the likes of KQuiam and Francis may somehow crack that 11th and 12th spot because Gilas really need to invest on the future and those kids MA, KQ and FL will be the next generation and they really needs all possible international exposure to gain more experience and confidence moving forward. As for the likes of Justine, Geo and AK34 whose name keeps on popping on several platform why they are not included in the pool, well if you had those kind of coaches who are impatient enough to mold players and only thinks what?s is now not tomorrow then goodluck for that.
 
BJ_Reloaded said:
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Here's to hoping at least one of Coach Goldwyn, Coach Ayo, and the others from Tab's coaching tree will turn out to be great at developing players.

Otherwise, it's back to the Dark Ages for PH basketball, except there will be nothing like the Paranaque Jets around to scare the head honchos shitless.
 
to be fair to CTC, he did have a hand in developing the likes of scottie, Arvin Tolentino and Aljon Mariano. But yeah i get your point, most local PBA coaches would emphasize on wins rather than development.
 
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