Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[Giannis34GOD2]

Now with FIFA WC finished and the final match became most hype match in the century, Let's now focus on upcoming FIBA WC next year's summer of 2023... I want the FIBA WC become the 2nd most watched World cup in entire world, As 2nd most popular sport (sorry cricket) in the world today, It should be the FIBA WC the 2nd most watch WC on earth.. But in the past, FIBA WC is only 5th among most watched WC event, even lose to Cricket and Rugby WC in terms of viewers... Last 2019 FIBA WC, they gathered 1.5 billion views, according to FIBA and became the most watched FIBA WC in history books, It's possible that this version of WC next year might break that record, because of growing popularity of this sport... It should be also FIBA WC is the most watched basketball event, even the NBA... If i were FIBA and the 3 host nations, This is the way to gather more viewers and putting themselves as prominent 2nd most popular sport on earth:

1.) In every event, There is/are the superstars of the sport to gather some interest of the viewers... This is what previous FIBA WC lacks, Because the strongest basketball team on earth Team USA didn't treat this tournament seriously (unfortunately), And the best basketball players are in the US then because they are not interested to play in FIBA WC tournament, the event are less prestige... But because the game is now more global and the best players on earth are now international (Not in US), This is the best chance for FIBA to market the tournament itself.. The possibility of having the likes of Giannis, Luka and Jokic will gather the interest of the fans and follow the event..

2) Make those three, Giannis, Luka and Jokic as the face of the tournament all tournament long (Possibily 4 w/ Wembayanma).. They should involve NBA to market the WC to the fans... Those three are top 10 most popular players in the NBA today, And if USA decides to have atleast some upcoming stars like Tatum, Young, Brown, etc... (even w/o the likes of Curry, KD and LBJ), That's good enough to market the tournament... Having some basketball superstars in every event will make the event more interesting to watch and gather more views..

3.) Make more use of social media... Another way to gather views to social media, Use it as a tool too...

4.) Make rivalries, One of the reasons more fans follow the event, Is because of rivalries... I don't know what are those international rivalries in FIBA (I think Spain vs France is the closest), But creating rivalries is fun to watch... Or atleast player rivalries atleast...

5.) Make updates in every event before the tournament starts, So that fans will not forget that the event will be held in this place, date and time.. In Social media, In every basketball games, etc...


As a basketball fan (more on a basketball fan than a football fan itself), I want the FIBA WC will be successful and more eventful next year... I want them to break records, from attendance, views, basketball records, etc... If the FIBA WC will be successful and get big time views, attendance, etc... next year, It will cement the sport of basketball will become the 2nd most popular on earth... No one can beat football as of now (and maybe forever) as far as popularity as concerned, But beating cricket, hockey and Rugby popularity and take the driver's seat as 2nd most popular sport, That should be the main goal of FIBA right now... They have now the global reach already compared to other sports that i mentioned (except football).. NBA did already their part to popularize the sport, It's time now to FIBA to do their part now... I'm excited for the next year's FIBA WC...

 

[DAdmiral2]

Don't be surprise if the next biggest World Cup , especially in terms of live spectators and foreign visitors is actually the Women's Football world cup in July 2023 .

 

[sroth38392]

Don't be surprise if the next biggest World Cup , especially in terms of live spectators and foreign visitors is actually the Women's Football world cup in July 2023 .

Pretty sure they’re going for other reasons. Lmao

 

[judasmartel2]

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About that, IMO there's no fun in watching international basketball at the world level because we all know that a full-force Team USA will dominate the competition every single time, with very few exceptions, most notably the period between 2004 and 2006. The only reason Team USA may not win every single FIBA World Cup moving forward is that the players and the Team USA organization only care about the Olympics, and when they're not being humiliated like in 2004, not even then.

As long as they qualify for the World Cup and then directly qualify for the Olympics by virtue of being one of the top two Americas teams in the World Cup, they can get away with not sending out full-force teams and still be competitive. Remember, they basically sent the Boston Celtics (but with Pop as their HC) to compete for Team USA in 2019, and it was enough for them to qualify for the Olympics. Some of the NBA's best American players didn't even play in the 2021 Tokyo Olympics, yet they still won the gold medal, although they lost to France in the group stages.

However, there might be a potential rivalry between Team USA and France. Reportedly, Embiid has recently processed his naturalization from Cameroon to France. Embiid, Wembanyama, and the other French NBA players could give even a full-force Team USA a run for their money.

Marketing the NBA's best players currently like Luka, Giannis, and Jokic would need their respective national teams to be competitive enough to qualify for the World Cup every time. Greece could probably do this consistently even without Giannis, but I am not sure about Slovenia and especially Serbia. Slovenia at least has some of the best players from the Eurobasket on their teams, but Serbia nowadays has been incredibly weak at the European level without Jokic, and now they will have to win both of their remaining games without him, but especially against Turkey in the final qualifying window.

As the current authority for soccer, FIFA can schedule club games and international games with each other in mind. FIBA does not have this luxury, as they couldn't even get the NBA and the Eurobasket to agree with a sort of sport calendar. Add FIBA trying to be like FIFA, and now the best players from every basketball MNT couldn't even play for their countries during the qualifiers while the NBA, Eurobasket, and other leagues' seasons are ongoing.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Don't be surprise if the next biggest World Cup , especially in terms of live spectators and foreign visitors is actually the Women's Football world cup in July 2023 .

Unfortunately, womens side are not enticing unlike the mens side... There are still gender discrimination among some people in some sides of the world (probably Arab countries)... FIBA WC was more views than womens side of FIFA last 2019 (1.5 billion > 1.12 billion), even some other tournaments are better than FIFA Womens WC... Cricket WC will be the bitter rival of FIBA WC as spectators as concerned, because of India - Pakistan rivalry... Sorry to tell that FIFA Womens side will not be as popular as their mens counterpart.... But because of global status of basketball, beating Cricket WC in terms of views next year will be possible because of latters' not recognized in most of the countries around the world...

https://www.totalsportal.com/list/biggest-sports-tournaments/

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

About that, IMO there's no fun in watching international basketball at the world level because we all know that a full-force Team USA will dominate the competition every single time, with very few exceptions, most notably the period between 2004 and 2006. The only reason Team USA may not win every single FIBA World Cup moving forward is that the players and the Team USA organization only care about the Olympics, and when they're not being humiliated like in 2004, not even then.

As long as they qualify for the World Cup and then directly qualify for the Olympics by virtue of being one of the top two Americas teams in the World Cup, they can get away with not sending out full-force teams and still be competitive. Remember, they basically sent the Boston Celtics (but with Pop as their HC) to compete for Team USA in 2019, and it was enough for them to qualify for the Olympics. Some of the NBA's best American players didn't even play in the 2021 Tokyo Olympics, yet they still won the gold medal, although they lost to France in the group stages.

However, there might be a potential rivalry between Team USA and France. Reportedly, Embiid has recently processed his naturalization from Cameroon to France. Embiid, Wembanyama, and the other French NBA players could give even a full-force Team USA a run for their money.

Marketing the NBA's best players currently like Luka, Giannis, and Jokic would need their respective national teams to be competitive enough to qualify for the World Cup every time. Greece could probably do this consistently even without Giannis, but I am not sure about Slovenia and especially Serbia. Slovenia at least has some of the best players from the Eurobasket on their teams, but Serbia nowadays has been incredibly weak at the European level without Jokic, and now they will have to win both of their remaining games without him, but especially against Turkey in the final qualifying window.

As the current authority for soccer, FIFA can schedule club games and international games with each other in mind. FIBA does not have this luxury, as they couldn't even get the NBA and the Eurobasket to agree with a sort of sport calendar. Add FIBA trying to be like FIFA, and now the best players from every basketball MNT couldn't even play for their countries during the qualifiers while the NBA, Eurobasket, and other leagues' seasons are ongoing.

You didn't know why FIBA wants to copy FIFA's format... Yes, They can't never be like FIFA, But in their own ways, they have to do something... First of all, all of you here are basketball fans... DO you want our favorite sport being same as cricket that only focus on Indian sub-continent? Or Rugby that only focus on British colonized countries plus Japan? 2nd, FIBA wants basketball to get some global status all around the world... Basketball will never be a popular if they stick to the old thinking... This is what you angry what happened to PBA today, Right? Because the league is not adopting to globalization times today... FIBA is doing what they can do to popularize more our favorite sport... This is the only way to reach global status... Before, FIBA's market is only at China, US and some European countries... But now our favorite sport has no boundaries in terms of fan following... Did you see how South Sudanese love their basketball team after winning most of their matches in qualifiers? They treat them like heroes their and most happiest days since their independence last decade... South Sudan is becoming a basketball nation due to their national team success... Do you think if FIBA stick to old format, Will South Sudan reach this milestone that far? No... Because the previous format only focus the old markets likes of Angola, Senegal, etc... Do you think we will see how Mongolia loved their basketball team playing in international competitions if FIBA stick to the old format? I'm surely No.... You have to give credit FIBA's move to change the format since 2017... Before there was no fan interest in other SEA nations in basketball outside Philippines, Now we saw the likes of Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam doing their best to popularize to sport... Before those countries will not say basketball is in their top 5 most popular sport... Now the sport enters the top 5 most popular (5th in Thailand, 4th in Vietnam and 3rd in Indonesia) in respective countries.... And we saw also the likes of Latvia, Montenegro, Bosnia & Herzegovina, etc... will enter or already enter in FIBA WC as debutants.... I know you are basketball fan too... And you will be proud if basketball will be the prominent 2nd most popular... The only way will be popularize the FIBA WC more... NBA already doing their part, same as Euroleague... the ball is now on FIBA to increase the followers of the sport more....

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

About that, IMO there's no fun in watching international basketball at the world level because we all know that a full-force Team USA will dominate the competition every single time, with very few exceptions, most notably the period between 2004 and 2006. The only reason Team USA may not win every single FIBA World Cup moving forward is that the players and the Team USA organization only care about the Olympics, and when they're not being humiliated like in 2004, not even then.

As long as they qualify for the World Cup and then directly qualify for the Olympics by virtue of being one of the top two Americas teams in the World Cup, they can get away with not sending out full-force teams and still be competitive. Remember, they basically sent the Boston Celtics (but with Pop as their HC) to compete for Team USA in 2019, and it was enough for them to qualify for the Olympics. Some of the NBA's best American players didn't even play in the 2021 Tokyo Olympics, yet they still won the gold medal, although they lost to France in the group stages.

However, there might be a potential rivalry between Team USA and France. Reportedly, Embiid has recently processed his naturalization from Cameroon to France. Embiid, Wembanyama, and the other French NBA players could give even a full-force Team USA a run for their money.

Marketing the NBA's best players currently like Luka, Giannis, and Jokic would need their respective national teams to be competitive enough to qualify for the World Cup every time. Greece could probably do this consistently even without Giannis, but I am not sure about Slovenia and especially Serbia. Slovenia at least has some of the best players from the Eurobasket on their teams, but Serbia nowadays has been incredibly weak at the European level without Jokic, and now they will have to win both of their remaining games without him, but especially against Turkey in the final qualifying window..

Serbia will likely to qualify, they are only 1 win away or atleast Belgium will lose atleast 1 then Serbia will qualify, and they have Britain on their schedule, that was the weakest team in their group.... Maybe in the past US are invisible... But i don't think it's the same now... Curry, KD, Lebron are already twilight in their careers and maybe 5 years from now they are retired or their game already regressed due to age... The best young prospect of team USA is Morant and Tatum... that is huge drop if you compare to those 3 that i mentioned... Their pool still huge, but not invincible as before... As you mentioned, France will be the next in line rival of team USA... maybe yes, But look at other countries too, Canada can field all NBA roster too, led by SGA and Wiggins... Australia can field all NBA rosters led by PattyMills and young guns like Josh Giddey... Serbia can still parade strongest possible line up with some of NBAers likes of Jokic, Bogdanovic, Boban and Jovic (plus Euroleague star Micic)... I mean, this is the best time for FIBA to market the WC more... Because most of basketball superstars are international... They have to create separation with USA and not depend on them to bring their stars.... USA will be USA in basketball, but FIBA has to create fan base outside of it....

 

[DAdmiral2]

Unfortunately, womens side are not enticing unlike the mens side... There are still gender discrimination among some people in some sides of the world (probably Arab countries)... FIBA WC was more views than womens side of FIFA last 2019 (1.5 billion > 1.12 billion), even some other tournaments are better than FIFA Womens WC... Cricket WC will be the bitter rival of FIBA WC as spectators as concerned, because of India - Pakistan rivalry... Sorry to tell that FIFA Womens side will not be as popular as their mens counterpart.... But because of global status of basketball, beating Cricket WC in terms of views next year will be possible because of latters' not recognized in most of the countries around the world...

https://www.totalsportal.com/list/biggest-sports-tournaments/

YOu're missing the point the i explicitly mentioned ( spectator #'s and foreign visitors) these are the 2 metrics that has greatest economic impact for the host ( i actually do this as a profession) , broadcast figures ( which basketball men's may be higher) goes to FIBA , not the host .
of course men's soccer has greater economic impact than women's , but from indicators the 2nd biggest world cup in terms of economic impact is actually women's WC

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

YOu're missing the point the i explicitly mentioned ( spectator #'s and foreign visitors) these are the 2 metrics that has greatest economic impact for the host ( i actually do this as a profession) , broadcast figures ( which basketball men's may be higher) goes to FIBA , not the host .
of course men's soccer has greater economic impact than women's , but from indicators the 2nd biggest world cup in terms of economic impact is actually women's WC

Sorry dude, numbers are numbers... First i was believe... but Womens FIFA WC will not get any attention just like the men's counterpart... Next year, more WC events will be held... aside of FIFA Womens WC, there are Cricket WC (ICC), Rugby WC, FIBA etc.... and as i said, women athletes were discriminate in some parts of the world (mostly Arab countries)... But anyway, They are the only womens tournament that has higher views than any other Womens side events outside Olympics (a multi event sport)... That just the conclusion why football is the greatest sport show on earth... FIBA's target for now is to be the 2nd most watch WC after FIFA... beating cricket, rugby and any WC sport should be the goal.. In 2019, they already entered for the first time in the top 10 list (If not for Olympics, a multi event, it should be top 5).. The thing is, most of basketball arenas are not large compared to the likes of cricket, rugby and football arenas... In 2023, i think the arenas are larger than in China (PHL Arena has 55k right?)... Breaking that 1.5 billion views in 2019 is very possible for FIBA, w/ the help of 3 host nations... As for your sake as more foreign guest will come, That is another topic, but since foreign guest and local guest are counted as same attendees, Then i don't think that's valid in terms who will be most attended event in terms of foreign guest... Remember ICC Cricket WC always survive because of huge number of Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladesh supporters even w/o most of foreign guest.... That's why ICC shelved the participants from 16 teams of 2007 to currently only 10 teams last 2019 and in 2023... ICC cricket can't survive w/o Indian sub continent followers....

 

[DAdmiral2]

^^
Again you're referring to media mileage (attention), which has minimal positve impact on the host economy,
It's FIBA or FIFA that gain due to media mileage attention.

I'm referring to spectators( event tickets) and foreign visitors (spend while visiting), these are the metrics that impact hosting . The women's FIFA world cup will beat the FiBA men's world cup in these metrics.
The SBP and Philippine government will lose money due to hosting.

While the Australian and New Zealandgl government will be profitable as a result of hosting FIFA. Women's world cup. (They're not building expensive stadiums like Qatar
It's smart that they're using 8 different developed cities with existing stadiums to host WC

 

[CoJ2]

watched a kpop boyband concert last weekend @philippine arena with the gf, damn the logistics are messed up, took us more than 2 hrs to leave the parking lot (to nlex), freaking traffic due to poor road network is longer than the concert itself

and there is nothing to eat inside the arena or inside the vicinity. SBP, the lgu, INC ought to address this issue

edit: cr is messed up too

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

^^
Again you're referring to media mileage (attention), which has minimal positve impact on the host economy,
It's FIBA or FIFA that gain due to media mileage attention.

I'm referring to spectators( event tickets) and foreign visitors (spend while visiting), these are the metrics that impact hosting . The women's FIFA world cup will beat the FiBA men's world cup in these metrics.
The SBP and Philippine government will lose money due to hosting.

While the Australian and New Zealandgl government will be profitable as a result of hosting FIFA. Women's world cup. (They're not building expensive stadiums like Qatar
It's smart that they're using 8 different developed cities with existing stadiums to host WC

Still counted as one spectator... even you are foreign fan or local, they actually numbered the same way how they counted their followers... but i don't think it will be as many as their men counterparts... As most of sports fans has shift attention to other sports too... Some will go to cricket, basketball or any sports... That's why no other WCs of other sports try to challenge FIFA WC in terms of followers in same schedule as theirs... No one can beat FIFA WC followers... But as a 2nd most watch WC? It is still up for grabs, Ice hockey and cricket WC has only 100 million advantage over FIBA, but the advantage of latter is that they are more global than the two... Luckily for FIBA, they will have new fan base in South Sudan with a total of 12 million population, the first time for a youngest nation to have their team to play in a world stage since gaining independence decades ago... And there are now 3 host nations, it means the followers will have 3 countries to gain followers... They have no problem for the Philippines since the country will guarantee 90% of population will watch FIBA games, especially their home turf... The biggest gain that FIBA gets is Indonesia, noticing how FIBA invest now mostly on Asia due to huge population... And it works, 10 years ago, No one Indonesians will notice basketball until FIBA announced that they will be co hosting that event.. But unfortunately their team didn't qualify... Basketball is now 3rd most popular sport in Indonesia after Football and Badminton...

 

[CoJ2]

^^
Again you're referring to media mileage (attention), which has minimal positve impact on the host economy,
It's FIBA or FIFA that gain due to media mileage attention.

I'm referring to spectators( event tickets) and foreign visitors (spend while visiting), these are the metrics that impact hosting . The women's FIFA world cup will beat the FiBA men's world cup in these metrics.
The SBP and Philippine government will lose money due to hosting.

While the Australian and New Zealandgl government will be profitable as a result of hosting FIFA. Women's world cup. (They're not building expensive stadiums like Qatar
It's smart that they're using 8 different developed cities with existing stadiums to host WC

Hosting sporting events of this magnitude is just a white elephant, and is a waste of taxpayers money since there is no or minimal ROI. Im worried about the country's 1.3B contribution to the world cup, hope that this event will have some sort of trickle down effect

 

[Silent Killer2]

^^
Again you're referring to media mileage (attention), which has minimal positve impact on the host economy,
It's FIBA or FIFA that gain due to media mileage attention.

I'm referring to spectators( event tickets) and foreign visitors (spend while visiting), these are the metrics that impact hosting . The women's FIFA world cup will beat the FiBA men's world cup in these metrics.
The SBP and Philippine government will lose money due to hosting.

While the Australian and New Zealandgl government will be profitable as a result of hosting FIFA. Women's world cup. (They're not building expensive stadiums like Qatar
It's smart that they're using 8 different developed cities with existing stadiums to host WC

Still counted as one spectator... even you are foreign fan or local, they actually numbered the same way how they counted their followers... but i don't think it will be as many as their men counterparts... As most of sports fans has shift attention to other sports too... Some will go to cricket, basketball or any sports... That's why no other WCs of other sports try to challenge FIFA WC in terms of followers in same schedule as theirs... No one can beat FIFA WC followers... But as a 2nd most watch WC? It is still up for grabs, Ice hockey and cricket WC has only 100 million advantage over FIBA, but the advantage of latter is that they are more global than the two... Luckily for FIBA, they will have new fan base in South Sudan with a total of 12 million population, the first time for a youngest nation to have their team to play in a world stage since gaining independence decades ago... And there are now 3 host nations, it means the followers will have 3 countries to gain followers... They have no problem for the Philippines since the country will guarantee 90% of population will watch FIBA games, especially their home turf... The biggest gain that FIBA gets is Indonesia, noticing how FIBA invest now mostly on Asia due to huge population... And it works, 10 years ago, No one Indonesians will notice basketball until FIBA announced that they will be co hosting that event.. But unfortunately their team didn't qualify... Basketball is now 3rd most popular sport in Indonesia after Football and Badminton...

all of the games here and in NZL are sold out..

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Hosting sporting events of this magnitude is just a white elephant, and is a waste of taxpayers money since there is no or minimal ROI. Im worried about the country's 1.3B contribution to the world cup, hope that this event will have some sort of trickle down effect

This is big challenge for SBP, LGU and Government itself... In 2019 FIBA WC, Chinese government cost 22.7 million USD for the event (equivalent to 1.25 billion pesos) while they earned 140 million USD (equivalent to 7 billion pesos)... although that they earned, they have to share it also to FIBA and NBA too (because the basketball stars are in the NBA and top attraction and this is business too)....

Total cost of 2019 FIBA WC:
https://tass.com/sport/1049953?utm_...m_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

Total revenue they earned last 2019 FIBA WC:
https://www.nfpeople.com/article/9542

Total prize money of last 2019 FIBA WC90 million USD overall)
https://www.totalsportal.com/list/biggest-sports-tournaments/

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

all of the games here and in NZL are sold out..

That's good news, but the revenue, cost and prizes? Last 2019 FIFA Womens world cup.. The prizes are total of 60 million USD.... No data how much cost and total revenue of the event... But if you look at the prizes, top 5 biggest prizes are FIFA WC (700 million USD), UEFA (1.5 billion USD per year), FIBA WC (90 million USD), World Series baseball (75 million) and FIFA Womens world cup (60 million USD)... 3 of them are in football....

https://www.totalsportal.com/list/biggest-sports-tournaments/

 

[DAdmiral2]

You want to talk about prize , how much Australia and Nz will gain as a result of hosting womens football world cup, no less than $ 3 Billion dollars! 1 million guests times $3 k spend each !
That's where the money is , the economic impact.
Where not even counting ticket sales (sold out) in 50 k average stadium size (not arenas ).
It's actually no comparison in financial economic terms .
The FIBA world cup hosting countries (not FIBA federation) will actually lose money. ! To me it's bad decision for a poor country like Philippines to host the world cup.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

You want to talk about prize , how much Australia and Nz will gain as a result of hosting womens football world cup, no less than $ 3 Billion dollars! 1 million guests times $3 k spend each !
That's where the money is , the economic impact.
Where not even counting ticket sales (sold out) in 50 k average stadium size (not arenas ).
It's actually no comparison in financial economic terms .
The FIBA world cup hosting countries (not FIBA federation) will actually lose money. ! To me it's bad decision for a poor country like Philippines to host the world cup.

Don?t disrespect Philippines dude, FIBA has the reason why they pick Philippines as main host? and this is Philippine forum, I?m not lived in the Philippines but they are nice people? they already host many fiba tournaments and it?s successful by the way? if you have problem with Philippines? hosting then ask FIBA? that?s not good argument because I know there are some Filipinos in this forum that will see this and for sure will offend what your saying? about prize money, I posted it in the link and FIBA WC has more prizes than womens version of FIFA WC? Basketball will not beat football in terms of popularity but they are stronghold of 2nd most popular in the world today even thou the sport is only 130 years old compare to ancient sport football?

 

[cocoyg2]

Women's FIFA WC bigger than FIBA? I beg to disagree. Besides sports that have subjective scoring such as gymnastics, watching women's sports is watching mediocrity. It's a biological fact that men are physically stronger, bigger and faster than women. Who are gonna watch football teams than can be beaten by HS boys.

 

[DAdmiral2]

It's not disrespect at all, in fact it's prudent management of resources , given a countries situation. Gone is the model of overspending for prestige at the expense of breaking the economy. . It is one reason that there is a move now that instead of hosting Olympics in one city and to build and build white elephants . It's better to use multiple cities with existing stadiums and arenas , Iike the next world cup football will be held in multiple cities across US , Canada and Mexico using existing stadiums.
I don't need to remind you why their was controversy with Qatar hosting at expense of basic people and management practices other Now they have white elephants in hotels and others never to be used

It is mismanagement of resources when the SBP budget for their youth team is a fraction of Brownlee naturalization process or fee to pay Clarkson. And drop of the bucket compared to hosting the world cup. This is bad priorities and use of resources

Never said women's soccer is more prestigious or more popular than men's WC FIBA . I'm talking purely of economic benefit to the host, nothing else