Fiba World Cup 2023 Philippines

[IPC2]

Ultimate Dream 12:

Guards: Kiefer, Bolick, Heading, Dwight, Parks, (Clarkson)
Wings: Oftana, Thirdy
Forwards: Baltazar, Tamayo
Bigs: Kai, AJ, (Kouame)

"Realistic" Dream 12:

Guards: Kiefer, Bolick, Dwight, (Clarkson)
Wings: Oftana, Thirdy, Navarro/Lopez
Forwards: Baltazar, Tamayo
Bigs: Kai, AJ, (Kouame), Japeth

 

[The_Big_Cat2]

My 15-man roster to the 2023 World Cup

PGs: Bolick, Kiefer, Alas
SGs: Perez, Thirdy, Wright
SFs: Clarkson, Parks, Ramos
PFs: Baltazar, Japeth, Paras
Cs: Kouame, Sotto, Edu

 

[Rds2]

I dont know if this was from Eala or Chot. There's a Tab quote saying we dont need a lot of big players. Maybe it means we dont need to put players just because they are big. I guess from what Ive seen from Tab, if you can make players 1 to 3 tall you wont need a lot of tall 4 and 5s. So I guess focus more on skill and defensive flexibility. Even Kai he asked to do more drives.

This makes sense because we dont have a lot of tall 4s and 5s. So you make internationally undersized bigs like Balti and Carl to SFs, problem solved. So they can play smaller positions but also become more skilled for the big positions.

 

[CoJ2]

Then when the 6'7-6'9 forwards like Hyunjung Lee and Watanabe in the future starts getting hot and draining 3s in front of players like Matthew Wright, Pogoy and Thirdy, threatening to balloon the lead to 20 points in the 3rd quarter, the diagnosis would've been they're not "closing out" quickly enough lol. We just can't get enough of players 6 inches taller draining jumpshots over our undersized players, this is some next level masochism.

i guess our basketball stakeholders are into some weird fetishes hahaha. On another note. i find it funny that Pinoys have this misconception that we have the speed advantage due to our height, like dude, the fastest person in the planet, Usain Bolt is freaking 6'5. Its painful to see 6'3-6'5 Euro guards (Those Serbs and Italians during the WC) run circles around Barroca and Paul Lee

 

[CoJ2]

I dont know if this was from Eala or Chot. There's a Tab quote saying we dont need a lot of big players. Maybe it means we dont need to put players just because they are big. I guess from what Ive seen from Tab, if you can make players 1 to 3 tall you wont need a lot of tall 4 and 5s. So I guess focus more on skill and defensive flexibility. Even Kai he asked to do more drives.

true, what's the point of having 4 marlou aquinos or samigue emmans in your team, we need highly skilled players, specifically shooters and smart defenders. Too bad the Pogoys and Wrights of the Philippines suck at the world level

 

[empyreanmaze2]

I dont know if this was from Eala or Chot. There's a Tab quote saying we dont need a lot of big players. Maybe it means we dont need to put players just because they are big. I guess from what Ive seen from Tab, if you can make players 1 to 3 tall you wont need a lot of tall 4 and 5s. So I guess focus more on skill and defensive flexibility. Even Kai he asked to do more drives.

This makes sense because we dont have a lot of tall 4s and 5s. So you make internationally undersized bigs like Balti and Carl to SFs, problem solved. So they can play smaller positions but also become more skilled for the big positions.

Even before the previous window, I remembered Tab really emphasized the point about being undersized. Further reinforced by this article:

https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/06/...lieves-small-players-still-have-place-in-game

Even though, he really respected RJ and Belangel's game, he still emphasized on Dwight's development as the main point guard. Both in words and in action, Tab really sees the important of size. And he's right on the money, a 6'4 guy against a 6'6 guy isn't such a big deal, Navarro is 6'6 and in the Korea game he was making a lot of Korean shooters who were like 2-3 inches taller gun shy, in those 2 games you can sense that the Koreans are not used to a Filipino team they can't just shoot and pass over, it's just not the same Pogoy sized forwards they usually rape. Tab's long term plan seems to be to have Navarro and Lopez sized players man the 2-3 against tall opponents, those two I do remember seeing them play 2-3 against weaker opponents, and it made sense since those positions needs to be interchangeable.

 

[Rds2]

true, what's the point of having 4 marlou aquinos or samigue emmans in your team, we need highly skilled players, specifically shooters and smart defenders. Too bad the Pogoys and Wrights of the Philippines suck at the world level

That is another Tab endeavour, turning our undersized or even rightsized SGs to PGs. Suerte, Tungcab, Dave and Dwit were already training for that.

Actually the problem I'm seeing now are the colleges. Guys like Ange, Balti, Carl, Dave and Chiu are important for our program and even for 2023. Now their not available for SEA games and the games after that. Now Chot has to iron out an agreement so they can join after that. Our development program isnt a development program without the college guys.

 

[Rds2]

Even before the previous window, I remembered Tab really emphasized the point about being undersized. Further reinforced by this article:

https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/06/...lieves-small-players-still-have-place-in-game

Even though, he really respected RJ and Belangel's game, he still emphasized on Dwight's development as the main point guard. Both in words and in action, Tab really sees the important of size. And he's right on the money, a 6'4 guy against a 6'6 guy isn't such a big deal, Navarro is 6'6 and in the Korea game he was making a lot of Korean shooters who were like 2-3 inches taller gun shy, in those 2 games you can sense that the Koreans are not used to a Filipino team they can't just shoot and pass over, it's just not the same Pogoy sized forwards they usually rape. Tab's long term plan seems to be to have Navarro and Lopez sized players man the 2-3 against tall opponents, those two I do remember seeing them play 2-3 against weaker opponents, and it made sense since those positions needs to be interchangeable.

I agree with this. The Korea victories showed us the way to guard them by having tall but quick perimeter players. We have a lot of 6'5 to 6'8 players. They just need the right development program.

If we adopt Tabs program of training young players for their international sized positions then we are good. JP does not have a lot of tall young players. But those with potential they train in their potential position in HS. Actually, its a combination of our passion for basketball and insular thinking thats blocking our development. We have a lot of kids with potential, we are just too greedy and rather than train them for international competition we ask them to stay in the paint and so we can win in our local leagues.

 

[mathematicianrcg2]

I think Oftana is not a necessity for WC 2023 if Parks is available. Then you have Dwight Ramos and Jordan Clarkson. Those three Parks, Ramos and Clarkson can be our SFs.

As far as the shooting guards my choices are Thirdy, CJ Perez and Matthew Wright.

My point guard rotation are Robert Bolick, Kiefer Ravena and Kevin Alas.

Yes. But thats the point.

We know the drama between Coach Chot and Rayray.

Even I is high on Parks. But the drama,situations, and etc begs to differ.

I will put both oftana and parks in the pool though if ever.

Kevin Alas? Interesting? Why? Anything you see from him that should be considered gor WC?

 

[IPC2]

i guess our basketball stakeholders are into some weird fetishes hahaha. On another note. i find it funny that Pinoys have this misconception that we have the speed advantage due to our height, like dude, the fastest person in the planet, Usain Bolt is freaking 6'5. Its painful to see 6'3-6'5 Euro guards (Those Serbs and Italians during the WC) run circles around Barroca and Paul Lee

Yeah, this is really a funny misconception. Again, small ball is not just about height and speed. It's also about versatility on either or both ends.

Just downsizing will take away the versatility.

 

[IPC2]

Very good simplification of checking if the lineup is playing small ball or just plain short. Example would be: Ben Wallace is a short center vs Draymond Green is small-ball center.

In terms of effectiveness, I check if the wings can complement the small-ball center in terms of rebounding and interior defense. If not, it's still a weak lineup.

Other small-ball centers would be Chris Bosh, KG, even Dirk Nowitzki and Giannis. They're natural forwards kasi, e.

As for small-ball fours, I can name KD, Shane Battier, Jayson Tatum, DeMar DeRozan, Melo, sometimes LeBron. That's because they're natural wings.

 

[live_evil2]

Looks like some people have already forgotten how painful it was watching an Isaac Go guarding Boban or a Ratliffe whenever kai or Kouame had to sit. And we're talking very short tournaments of 3 and 2 games here. How much more in a world cup. Some sure do remember tho, I'm sure. Perhaps that's why names like fajardo and Aguilar are still being mentioned by some. If at least one between kouame and Clarkson gets allowed to play as a local then that should mean you can already book slots for kai, aj and kouame then we can just add an insurance big in either Junmar or japeth.

i agree about having insurance bigs. you have to be prepared for any eventuality. remember what happened to our youth team when Edu got injured? Kai was brutalized in that world tournament because he had no able companion to back him up inside.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

i agree about having insurance bigs. you have to be prepared for any eventuality. remember what happened to our youth team when Edu got injured? Kai was brutalized in that world tournament because he had no able companion to back him up inside.

I'd rather test Lepalam, Chiu or any other 6'9+ developmental bigs. Japeth and Junemar are candles more than halfway burnt out, they should be in the coaching staff, training younger players already if anything. The development of pinoy players is too lethargic at this stage for any drastic improvements especially accounting for the fact that the best developmental lineup we've had in the seniors is all but binned. I agree with the recent Hoops Highlights vid that we should do what is equivalent to tanking, risking games to expose the rookies like what Japan is doing, actual bashers can eat shit(not the bashers in Chot's imagination).

 

[Rds2]

I'd rather test Lepalam, Chiu or any other 6'9+ developmental bigs. Japeth and Junemar are candles more than halfway burnt out, they should be in the coaching staff, training younger players already if anything. The development of pinoy players is too lethargic at this stage for any drastic improvements especially accounting for the fact that the best developmental lineup we've had in the seniors is all but binned. I agree with the recent Hoops Highlights vid that we should do what is equivalent to tanking, risking games to expose the rookies like what Japan is doing, actual bashers can eat shit(not the bashers in Chot's imagination).

I like the college bigs to be used in minor and qualifying tourneys like the SEA games but unfortunately college players have scheduling problems. First you have class scheds. Will the schools allow special online options for the athletes now that face to face classes are starting? Will the schools allow their players to skip training or actual college games for the national team.

These are things that SBP and college organizatuons need to hammer out. With Tabs success it is obvious we wont have a development program without active participation of college players. Actually this should be what SBP should be using time and resources for not Clarksons eligibility.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

Actually this should be what SBP should be using time and resources for not Clarksons eligibility.

You're spot on, there's wayyyy more to gain from this than having another isolation player for your mediocre PBA players in a PBA system to rely on when their incompetence(drilled into them by their coaches and the system they play under) rears its ugly head. Aside from players, we really need a leader with a long term pragmatic vision to see everything through. God damn, basketball in the Philippines really needs a Kevin Feige type of figure.

 

[allmight2]

^ not gonna lie. I thought mvp was that guy oh well

 

[DAdmiral2]

It really is short sighted if we spend heaps of money to get Clarkson exempted and on his insurance. For just 1 stint of the world cup. How's that good investment and what kind of program is that ? Even for example it leads to 1 win in the World Cup, how is that all a reflection of the quality of our basketball program? It's fools Gold and could just be a false sense that we're really good ..

 

[CoJ2]

It really is short sighted if we spend heaps of money to get Clarkson exempted and on his insurance. For just 1 stint of the world cup. How's that good investment and what kind of program is that ? Even for example it leads to 1 win in the World Cup, how is that all a reflection of the quality of our basketball program? It's fools Gold and could just be a false sense that we're really good ..

getting clarkson is just a band aid solution to address the shortcomings of Gilas/SBP..after the WC, we are back to scratch and may not even qualify to another FIBA WC for a decade or two

 

[allmight2]

The dumb thing is that we already have a program in place.smh

 

[lurklurk2]

^ not gonna lie. I thought mvp was that guy oh well

SBP should really be a separate entity from the MVP group and have representatives from different stakeholders. I'd like to see Alfrancis Chua and Uytengsu hold a position in SBP.