Is 6 points on a shooting clip of 1 of 8 and in almost 20 minutes of play good? Kiefer also had 4 assists and 5 rebounds but if those numbers are considered good, the rest of his games mustve been horrible. In the same game, bollick had 10 in 10 minutes and perez, 17. I don't know which of those were "garbage time shots". Bet we would've won if the paying time was given to Bolick instead of kiefer. Nothing personal here, I'm not a fan of any of those 3. I wish we could all set aside our personal favorites when we talk national team.
Yes with rehab its very much possible to be back however in the lead up to World Cup 2023, like 2021 Fiba asia and WC Qualifier, remains to be seen if he can at least be back to his pre injury form...Those you mentioned struggle in their comeback...Cansino averaged 12.5 pointsnin his rookie season but in his comeback season he just averaged 5.5 pts last season. Look at Sangalang it took almost 2 years for him to be back to his old self...There is no question that Bollick will come out better once he fully recover but if he can flash hisnold self by 2021 season I wont be surprised if JGDL will take the backup PG role...Ravena has the upper hand in the other PG slot, because he is a decent defender, good IQ, good passer and availability since NLEX will always oblige to SBP if asked to be loaned to Gilas same that can be said of Perez (hello Alfrancis) and Bollick.
Yes with rehab its very much possible to be back however in the lead up to World Cup 2023, like 2021 Fiba asia and WC Qualifier, remains to be seen if he can at least be back to his pre injury form...Those you mentioned struggle in their comeback...Cansino averaged 12.5 pointsnin his rookie season but in his comeback season he just averaged 5.5 pts last season. Look at Sangalang it took almost 2 years for him to be back to his old self...There is no question that Bollick will come out better once he fully recover but if he can flash hisnold self by 2021 season I wont be surprised if JGDL will take the backup PG role...Ravena has the upper hand in the other PG slot, because he is a decent defender, good IQ, good passer and availability since NLEX will always oblige to SBP if asked to be loaned to Gilas same that can be said of Perez (hello Alfrancis) and Bollick.
I would still like Parks and Perez to take up the Main Ball Handler role. 6’4 and 6’2 respectively those are not bad sized PGs. Also with Parks’ strength and Perez’ speed they both bring something unique at the PG position with their length and athleticism.
Perez though is a shooting guard, not reps as PG..The only time he played as PG was during time when, hold your breath, the Baby Reyes, Josh , handled the Cadets last Fiba Challenge Cup in 2016 where Perez was groomed to be a tall PG...Other than that he he was PF at Lyceum, Winger during his time at Ateneo , SF at Columbian , and Winger SF/SG last World Cup, iba ang mentality nya, that is to score more than to orchestrate the play...Parks has experience as PG as he was a PG in the States during his HS, PG duringbhis DLeague stint and combo guard at ABL...Problem kay Parks, once he plays PG he become passive that he forgot that he can score also...
Anyway wala naman talagang away eh, instead of exclusion , why not we enlist all the guys, Kiefer, Bollick, JGDL, Nieto, Perez, Parks as PG for 2023 and inclusion will depend on Availability, Fit, Chemistry and all that...Hindi yung dapat si Ganyan kasi mas magaling yung favorite player ko hahaha
Perez though is a shooting guard, not reps as PG..The only time he played as PG was during time when, hold your breath, the Baby Reyes, Josh , handled the Cadets last Fiba Challenge Cup in 2016 where Perez was groomed to be a tall PG...Other than that he he was PF at Lyceum, Winger during his time at Ateneo , SF at Columbian , and Winger SF/SG last World Cup, iba ang mentality nya, that is to score more than to orchestrate the play...Parks has experience as PG as he was a PG in the States during his HS, PG duringbhis DLeague stint and combo guard at ABL...Problem kay Parks, once he plays PG he become passive that he forgot that he can score also...
Anyway wala naman talagang away eh, instead of exclusion , why not we enlist all the guys, Kiefer, Bollick, JGDL, Nieto, Perez, Parks as PG for 2023 and inclusion will depend on Availability, Fit, Chemistry and all that...Hindi yung dapat si Ganyan kasi mas magaling yung favorite player ko hahaha
Perez is a Shooting Guard for Columbian. Cahilig and Khobuntin take up the Forward positions. CJ Perez did average almost 4 assists per game. So he does a little bit more than scoring. You could also say that about Castro right? Castro looks To score more than orchestrate.
Position nowadays doesn’t define what you can do on the court. Not because someone is a shooting guard or combo guard doesn’t mean they couldn’t play PG. I said Parks and Perez would be my ideal ball handler since they are unique for the traditional PG position (locally). Players nowadays have debunked the Positions. James Harden is a SG but primary ball handler before Russ and CP3. Luka is literally unidentifiable (Guard? Forward?). Lebron was the one of the first one to do so. Remember they were saying Bron at PG wouldn’t work during first game of the season. Giannis started as a wing. Now is a beast inside the paint. Jason Kidd also made him the primary ball handler back then.
Ayun. Kaya ideal sana ang large pool, then make cuts according to team fit or performance in practice.
Exactly. Kinda Positionless basketball uso ngayon. Parang tayo lang ang nagpi-pigeonhole into positions (and doing it kinda badly, especially the frontline spots). At saka, having score-first PGs won't be a huge problem kung may system naman din. You can just use them as initiators, cutters, and/or spot-up shooters. Besides, passing is crucial in every position, not just the PG spot.
Not everyone is slow to come back. It is normal to have some bad games but generalizing everyone I mentioned to have “struggled” is such a strong, sweeping statement. Even pinpointing Cansino is somewhat inaccurate because he comes back to a roster that has Abando in it. For every Sangalang there is Banchero, Lavine, Porzingis etc who took way less time to get back into form. Like I’ve said, it is different for every person. That said, let us just wait for Bolick’s performance post injury. He is already back in practice and we are still in 2020.
Of course availability is always an issue, but it is moot in these kinds of discussions as we are arguing on the premise of them being available. If we are to factor these things that are impossible to determine, then we might as well not consider Perez, Junmar, Baltazar, Martin and the likes in our discussions.
Perez is a Shooting Guard for Columbian. Cahilig and Khobuntin take up the Forward positions. CJ Perez did average almost 4 assists per game. So he does a little bit more than scoring. You could also say that about Castro right? Castro looks To score more than orchestrate.
Position nowadays doesn’t define what you can do on the court. Not because someone is a shooting guard or combo guard doesn’t mean they couldn’t play PG. I said Parks and Perez would be my ideal ball handler since they are unique for the traditional PG position (locally). Players nowadays have debunked the Positions. James Harden is a SG but primary ball handler before Russ and CP3. Luka is literally unidentifiable (Guard? Forward?). Lebron was the one of the first one to do so. Remember they were saying Bron at PG wouldn’t work during first game of the season. Giannis started as a wing. Now is a beast inside the paint. Jason Kidd also made him the primary ball handler back then.
Exactly. As I’ve mentioned before Lakers do this often this season. All 5 players are ball handlers. It was really the Warriors who took this to the next level back in 2015ish. Bogut was the only non ball handler on the court. Then after a couple of years they developed all players to be ball handlers. When Klay brings the ball down, Draymond is center, curry as shooter and KD as wing. When Draymond brings the ball down KD is Center, Klay as wing and Curry as shooter and so on. Sa Philippines nalang yunG “You’re a PG, so therefore you need to orchestrate more than you should score”.
It was observation bro based on wide good amount of sample size...Even the stats of Lavine , Banchero amd Porzingis you mentioned were lower than their pre injury form and lower than in their succeeding season. KAYA nasabi ko yung around 2 season to be back to pre injury form. LAVINENL was averaging 18.9 point pre ACL, deep to around 16 ptson his comeback( 16. 7 overall on his first season comeback before blossoming to 23.7 and 25.3 in the next two season...).Porzingis was averaging 22.7 pre injury upon his comeback after 2 season ( part of 2017, whole of 2018) of absence averaging 20.2 points . BANCHERO was averaging 19.6 for Seattle Pacific in 2010 but 2011 season cut short by ACL injury, and he has never averaged that high again from all level ABL, SMB and in the PBA...Makakabalik king makakabalik pero it will take time...Will pre injury Bollick be back in the round up to 2023 World Cup , that remains to be seen...Sa dami ng PG prospects for Gilas he better heal fsst amd good to have a slot for 2023..Bollick 2023 stint will not be shoo in just because of impressive 2019 World Cup stint...
Well with emergence of MC Carthy and arrival of JP Calvo, Perez was the defacto SF for Columbian playing bulk of the minutes at SF. BE as it is , Perez is a natural Winger SG/SF not a a natural PG like Ravena or Combo Guard like Bollick...
Yeah, and system offense na uso, so lessened na ang importance ng purely playmaking PG. And besides, a team's ball movement on offense is measured better by team assists rather than PG assists. 90s Bulls had no true PG, pero they were at or near the top of the NBA in team assists dahil sa triangle nila.
As for GSW, even if Bogut was a non-ballhandler, he was still a good passer.
Yeah, we put too much emphasis on positions. It's much more fluid right now, parang Total Football sa football, where anyone can play any position and occupy any place on the field. So, imbis na "PG ka, sentro ka, SF ka," why don't coaches just develop basketball players, ano?
Only in the Philippines, “You play bulk of your minutes as a winger so therefore you cant play PG, even if you have the potential to do so”
How many players in the NBA change their “playing position”? PJ Tucker PF, Draymond Green Point Forward, Gordon Hayward PF, James Harden Playmaker, Luka i dont even know lol. Meanwhile in the Philippines they put you where you are good naturally, not where you could be good potentially.
So therefore players who are natural wingers cant play PG/Primary ball handler? we should stop putting our players into boxes. The box doesn’t exist anymore outside of the Philippines. Tapos pag talo sa international sisi sa lack of development. The game today is different. On one possession you could be playing primary ball handler on the next you could be playing the wing. This isn’t the 70s where Jawo is the only one with the right to handle the ball since he is a “natural PG”
Yeah, and system offense na uso, so lessened na ang importance ng purely playmaking PG. And besides, a team's ball movement on offense is measured better by team assists rather than PG assists. 90s Bulls had no true PG, pero they were at or near the top of the NBA in team assists dahil sa triangle nila.
As for GSW, even if Bogut was a non-ballhandler, he was still a good passer.
Yeah, we put too much emphasis on positions. It's much more fluid right now, parang Total Football sa football, where anyone can play any position and occupy any place on the field. So, imbis na "PG ka, sentro ka, SF ka," why don't coaches just develop basketball players, ano?
Its about playing to their strength, its another think playing out of position just for the sake that we have a "Big Point Guard". One player can be balhandler carrying the ball front the other court , its another thing orchestrating the play per se...My point is, once magkagipitan natural instinct will come out...Romeo will shot if his life depends on it, same with Harden , same with Westbrook unlike a Steve Nash, a Magic, or Stockton...
a non ball handler but he has very decent ball handling skills,very decent for his size and position,maybe far more decent than our 6'6 centers or power forwards.
Kung dito yan. “Play by your strength. Let the natural PGs control the pace and the play making”. “You’re a center therefore you just play by your position’s strength” lol Out of position na nga si Bogut diyan eh. He should just be waiting in the post and setting screens.
It was observation bro based on wide good amount of sample size...Even the stats of Lavine , Banchero amd Porzingis you mentioned were lower than their pre injury form and lower than in their succeeding season. KAYA nasabi ko yung around 2 season to be back to pre injury form. LAVINENL was averaging 18.9 point pre ACL, deep to around 16 ptson his comeback( 16. 7 overall on his first season comeback before blossoming to 23.7 and 25.3 in the next two season...).Porzingis was averaging 22.7 pre injury upon his comeback after 2 season ( part of 2017, whole of 2018) of absence averaging 20.2 points . BANCHERO was averaging 19.6 for Seattle Pacific in 2010 but 2011 season cut short by ACL injury, and he has never averaged that high again from all level ABL, SMB and in the PBA...Makakabalik king makakabalik pero it will take time...Will pre injury Bollick be back in the round up to 2023 World Cup , that remains to be seen...Sa dami ng PG prospects for Gilas he better heal fsst amd good to have a slot for 2023..Bollick 2023 stint will not be shoo in just because of impressive 2019 World Cup stint...