FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[magic_chiongson2]

why did this thread suddenly become racist?

 

[DAdmiral2]

Filipino is a nationality, not ethnicity. The fact that you don't know that only means you have no business talking about who is Filipino and who isn't.

And FIBA clearly distinguishes the differenc between entnicity and Nationality, otherwise all African Americans like Lebron can play for an African nation. And BTW FIBA like I really don't have business determining who is Filipino National or not , they do have business however pf their jurisdiction which is who is FIBA eligible or Not .

 

[DAdmiral2]

Some are NOT reading or refuse to comprehend

1. It's passport APPLIED not passport issue date .
(application befor 16 is an exception basis )


2. Verification of records including application date is based on record keeping of central immigration international records shared by different countries (none of this information is available as public knowledge that anyone here knows of)

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Your missing two things

It's only slim chance if Harris acted alone at 16 to look into Qatar citizenship.
don't underestimate Qatar craftiness to instigate years before steps to game FBA eligibility system ( they afer all spend heaps to get ahead )

Two . Qatsr cannot field Harris until he gets a passpprt ( not when he applied for one ) which is alibi on why they didn't use him previously.
now let me ask you this, QMB , if he had a passport before 16 yrs old as in news , how come he never played in U16 to U19 Batang Gilas youth teams, when there are official news he was being recruited? So begs the question, might he just applied for passport before 16 ( not issued owe ?). We don't know right? In the same way we don't know the details of Harris

Sir, why compare Philippine basketball from Qatar basketball? Qatar basketball has lots & lots of money while Philippine basketball has almost nothing.

Are U aware of what Qatar basketball did in the 2000's when it recruited quite a No. Of players from Africa (of no Qatari descent) then it gave them Qatari citizenship & have them play in the Qatar national team as local players? That's the reason Qatar was competitive in Asian basketball during the 2000's.

Qatar can do that because it has the money to draw or attract foreign players (of no Qatari descent) to play for the Qatar national team.

In Philippine basketball on the other hand, what we did (& still is doing) is to convince Fil-american or Fil-foreign players to play in the PBA so that in turn, they might play for the national team as in the cases of Danny Seigle, Asi Taulava, Kelly Williams, Gabe Norwood, etc. But those players are natural born Filipinos. Those African & Bosnian players playing & had played for the Qatar national team on the other hand are absolute foreigners of no Qatari descent & were just "converted" into Qatari locals.

My point here is that it's very hard to believe the possibility that if for instance Tyler Harris applied for or had obtained Qatari passport prior to his 16th b-day, it took so many years (Harris is already 31 yrs old by the way) before the Qataris were able to convince him to finally play for the Qatar national team as a local knowing how eager or determined the Qataris are in making their national team competitive. Remember that for several years now, Qatar basketball has struggled in Asian basketball. For sure Harris would have been a big help in making the team competitive if Harris had joined the team say 6 years ago.

 

[Herms2]

Who do you all think you’re kidding? Let’s look at our own team shall we:

Brownlee - one naturalized player
Newsome - born and raised overseas
Ramos - born and raised overseas
Edu - born and raised overseas
Norwood - born and raised overseas
Matthew Wright - born and raised overseas
Lassiter - born and raised overseas
Amos - born and raised overseas

And the most egregious one of them all:

Malonzo - born and raised overseas then miraculously remembers he got a PH passport before 16 just before the FIBA WC. What are the odds!

Anyone crying foul over Qatar should be embarrassed in themselves.

 

[DAdmiral2]

Qatar is very capable of providing official intelligence records that Harris applied for a passport before 16 .
this has nothing to do with Harris availability, but Qatars capabilities, ( they actually plan well in advance to game a system which is legal)

 

[DAdmiral2]

I find the Bahamas exceptions more troubling.

I agree , very well documented

 

[DenzelGreat82]

Some are NOT reading or refuse to comprehend

1. It's passport APPLIED not passport issue date .
(application befor 16 is an exception basis )


2. Verification of records including application date is based on record keeping of central immigration international records shared by different countries (none of this information is available as public knowledge that anyone here knows of)

Paiba iba ka Analyzed. Now it's passport applied, before you are insinuating that Remy Martin was issued just a couple of months after he turned 16. So if that's the case then he applied a months prior turning 16? Then if before pala nagapply, this is the route that can be taken by SBP for him. If that's the case he should be eligible.

 

[FilWelsh2]

Well if that’s a case then it’s not only Remy will benefit from that technicality. Maybe there are more…

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Qatar is very capable of providing official intelligence records that Harris applied for a passport before 16 .
this has nothing to do with Harris availability, but Qatars capabilities, ( they actually plan well in advance to game a system which is legal)

If so then it has become obvious that the Qataris have always found ways to circumvent the FIBA rules on player eligibility. It would appear that the Qataris have easily outsmarted FIBA people. That is why I've said some years ago that the "passport before 16 yrs old" rule must only apply to natural born citizens (although of course citizenship laws of countries vary) of the country that a half-breed or a dual-citizen player wants to represent. Which means that the "passport before 16 years old" rule must only be applied to players whose parents (one of his/her parents) are legit citizen of that country. A player that is granted citizenship of a country in which none of his parents nor ancestors are citizens of that country must be classified as a "naturalized" player regardless of what age that player obtained passport of his adopted country. Hindi yung pag ang isang player, who is a complete foreigner(of no descent or bloodline of that country) to the country he wants to represent, eh nag apply or was granted passport prior to his 16th birthday, eh iko consider na ng FIBA na local player sya of that country. That's a total BS. And now we are seeing the ill effects of that defective rule. Such rule is subject to abuse.

Hence, those Bosnian & African players (of no Qatari descent) who obtained Qatari citizenship prior to their 16th birthday must be classified as naturalized players & not Qatari local players.

Time may come that the Qatari national basketball team would be composed of total "foreigners" or players of no Qatari descent. Baka out of the 12 players in the Qatar NT, 11 of which are Americans, Russians, Serbians, Africans (of no Qatari descent). And what if other countries, in particular the oil-rich Arab countries (remember they have the money), will do the same? What would Asian basketball look like?

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Paiba iba ka Analyzed. Now it's passport applied, before you are insinuating that Remy Martin was issued just a couple of months after he turned 16. So if that's the case then he applied a months prior turning 16? Then if before pala nagapply, this is the route that can be taken by SBP for him. If that's the case he should be eligible.

In fairness to analyzed, some years ago he actually said that it is the date of the application of the passport & not the date of the issuance of passport which is the basis for the "passport before 16 years old" rule. He even said that Remy Martin is FIBA eligible becoz he applied for Philippine passport prior to his 16th birthday although such passport was issued after his 16th b-day.

The million dollar question is: Is Remy Martin really a FIBA eligible player? I mean, sure na ba tayo that he can play for Gilas as a local player?

 

[FilWelsh2]

With Bahamas I recalled it’s been discussed here before. All of their players has some Bahamian heritage including their NP (Eric Gordon) last Olympic qualifiers. Bahamas is considered by FIBA as under-developed in terms of grassroot basketball development hence special considerations were accorded to their federation. Inasmuch, Bahamas is a cricket country and a newbie in terms of international basketball outside Caribbean zone. Ayton, Hield, young sensation Edgecombe, Tavario Miller were all born in the islands…

 

[Rds2]

If so then it has become obvious that the Qataris have always found ways to circumvent the FIBA rules on player eligibility. It would appear that the Qataris have easily outsmarted FIBA people. That is why I've said some years ago that the "passport before 16 yrs old" rule must only apply to natural born citizens (although of course citizenship laws of countries vary) of the country that a half-breed or a dual-citizen player wants to represent. Which means that the "passport before 16 years old" rule must only be applied to players whose parents (one of his/her parents) are legit citizen of that country. A player that is granted citizenship of a country in which none of his parents nor ancestors are citizens of that country must be classified as a "naturalized" player regardless of what age that player obtained passport of his adopted country. Hindi yung pag ang isang player, who is a complete foreigner(of no descent or bloodline of that country) to the country he wants to represent, eh nag apply or was granted passport prior to his 16th birthday, eh iko consider na ng FIBA na local player sya of that country. That's a total BS. And now we are seeing the ill effects of that defective rule. Such rule is subject to abuse.

Hence, those Bosnian & African players (of no Qatari descent) who obtained Qatari citizenship prior to their 16th birthday must be classified as naturalized players & not Qatari local players.

Time may come that the Qatari national basketball team would be composed of total "foreigners" or players of no Qatari descent. Baka out of the 12 players in the Qatar NT, 11 of which are Americans, Russians, Serbians, Africans (of no Qatari descent). And what if other countries, in particular the oil-rich Arab countries (remember they have the money), will do the same? What would Asian basketball look like?

I heard this complaint about Qatar in the youth teams before. Their Senegalese and Serbian descent players were dominating the Asia youth 3x3. The it died down. All those young players did not translate to good senior team players.

This actually proves that setting the cutoff age at 15 for rule is a fair one. Qatar used a lot of many to naturalize a bunch of Senegalese and Serbian 15 yr olds. But I havent heard any of them making waves in the senior team. You could say the return on investment is poor. Now that they have 1 player that actually became good we are complaining?

Because of our government making it a policy that exporting its people and their services in lieue of an actual local industry to earn money for the country, we have a big pool of foreign born and bred, 2nd, 3rd and X generation migrants. Unfortunately most other countries dont have that pool and B dont have a legal mechanism to retroactively make them citizens.

Crying about the Qataris is a bit hypocritical when many of the hafus never had knowledge or contact with their Philippine side until it was obvious they were going to become good basketball players. It isnt so easy if your not a good basketball player. I knew somebody who had a Pinoy dad and was born and bred in the US. In his adult life he visited the Philippines and tried to gain citizenship but he was denied because his father was dead.

Let’s not pretend that it isnt so easy to produce a Philippinr passport if one is a good basketball player. If not for Hagop our Philippine team would be composed of many guys who only acknowledged or realized they had a Philippine blood when they were recruited for the team. It is like Clarkson having a PH passport when he was 15 after years accepting he didnt. Sino niloko mo?

The Hagop rule saved us from our own porous system. Like now banning POGOs saves us from foreigners saying with full documents they were born citizens.

 

[FilWelsh2]

They have financial resources that they are willing to host events that others can’t. They can circumvent the rules and that’s the bottomline. So we all STFU

 

[FilWelsh2]

And why some Nigerian players (men and women) were not allowed? well they are “developed” as they are regular competitors in FIBA African continental and intercontinental competitions.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I heard this complaint about Qatar in the youth teams before. Their Senegalese and Serbian descent players were dominating the Asia youth 3x3. The it died down. All those young players did not translate to good senior team players.

This actually proves that setting the cutoff age at 15 for rule is a fair one. Qatar used a lot of many to naturalize a bunch of Senegalese and Serbian 15 yr olds. But I havent heard any of them making waves in the senior team. You could say the return on investment is poor. Now that they have 1 player that actually became good we are complaining?

Because of our government making it a policy that exporting its people and their services in lieue of an actual local industry to earn money for the country, we have a big pool of foreign born and bred, 2nd, 3rd and X generation migrants. Unfortunately most other countries dont have that pool and B dont have a legal mechanism to retroactively make them citizens.

Crying about the Qataris is a bit hypocritical when many of the hafus never had knowledge or contact with their Philippine side until it was obvious they were going to become good basketball players. It isnt so easy if your not a good basketball player. I knew somebody who had a Pinoy dad and was born and bred in the US. In his adult life he visited the Philippines and tried to gain citizenship but he was denied because his father was dead.

Let’s not pretend that it isnt so easy to produce a Philippinr passport if one is a good basketball player. If not for Hagop our Philippine team would be composed of many guys who only acknowledged or realized they had a Philippine blood when they were recruited for the team. It is like Clarkson having a PH passport when he was 15 after years accepting he didnt. Sino niloko mo?

The Hagop rule saved us from our own porous system. Like now banning POGOs saves us from foreigners saying with full documents they were born citizens.

Wait until 6-foot-11 big man Alen Hadzibegovic finally suits up for qatar's 5-on-5 national team. Hadzibegovic who is of Montenegro descent, was the superstar of Qatar's U-18 3x3 team that won the FIBA World U-18 3x3 gold medal some 7 years ago. He used to play for the div. 1 Russian pro league where he averaged around 13 ppg. And we all know how high level Russian basketball is. Hence, Hadzibegovic is no slouch. Also, with American Tyler Harris being declared as FIBA eligible, we can expect that Tyler is going to help Qatar a lot, maybe not now but later.

The thing about this practice by Qatar is that it is a hit or miss venture. Its just unfortunate for them that most of those Bosnian & African players that they granted Qatari citizenship prior to their 16th b-day aren't turning out to be outstanding players. But not because the Qataris had failed in its previous venture, they will again fail in their next ventures. The law of chance may catch up.

Its like missing your first 5 attempts from 3-pt range. Not because you've missed your first 5 attempts eh you are going to miss all your next 5 attempts. The law of average may catch up.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

Please use English language in your Post or Translate your post in English Thank you
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[empyreanmaze2]

Who do you all think you’re kidding? Let’s look at our own team shall we:

Brownlee - one naturalized player
Newsome - born and raised overseas
Ramos - born and raised overseas
Edu - born and raised overseas
Norwood - born and raised overseas
Matthew Wright - born and raised overseas
Lassiter - born and raised overseas
Amos - born and raised overseas

And the most egregious one of them all:

Malonzo - born and raised overseas then miraculously remembers he got a PH passport before 16 just before the FIBA WC. What are the odds!

Anyone crying foul over Qatar should be embarrassed in themselves.

Gabe Norwood

 

[Silent Killer2]

don’t look far, indonesia is doing a Qatar too..

 

[empyreanmaze2]

You know Malay is an antiquated term to refer to Southeast Asians? The politically correct term is Austronesians and the fact that you don't know that means you have no business talking about who is Filipino and who isn't.

Pedantic, the word is still used in Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, who tf are you to say it's antiquated. Maghalo ka na lang ng semento, hindi puro Qatar at kung ano anong kagaguhan yung iniisip mo