FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[IPC2]

Numbers say that we're the highest-scoring team in the 1st window of the Asian qualifiers.

https://www.fiba.basketball/asiacup...tinental-cup-qualifiers-offensive-juggernauts

It's against Hong Kong and a depleted Taiwan, though. Hope we repeat that (and the defense against Taiwan) against NZ.

 

[reamily2]

Numbers say that we're the highest-scoring team in the 1st window of the Asian qualifiers.

https://www.fiba.basketball/asiacup...tinental-cup-qualifiers-offensive-juggernauts

It's against Hong Kong and a depleted Taiwan, though. Hope we repeat that (and the defense against Taiwan) against NZ.

it was against bahrain and qatar din and even iran if not for the run they made...

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I just hope that in the 2nd window, we will be able to finally beat New Zealand. I think palagi nalang tayong talo against the New Zealand national team. The Tall Blacks beat us in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. Then they swept us in 2 games during the 2023 FIBA World Cup qualifiers (tambak pa pareho yung 2 laro). Then they also beat us again in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup.

New Zealand has our numbers it's time we get back at them & stop them from bitching us.

 

[IPC2]

I just hope that in the 2nd window, we will be able to finally beat New Zealand. I think palagi nalang tayong talo against the New Zealand national team. The Tall Blacks beat us in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. Then they swept us in 2 games during the 2023 FIBA World Cup qualifiers (tambak pa pareho yung 2 laro). Then they also beat us again in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup.

New Zealand has our numbers it's time we get back at them & stop them from bitching us.

We need Newsome, JB, Dwight, AJ, and Kai healthy for the NZ game this November. They're key for us beating NZ.

Scottie has to defend well, as do CJ, Oftana, and Malonzo (who have struggled in man-to-man defense and rotations as of late, except for maybe Malonzo). Carl, JB, Kai, Dwight, Oftana, and Malonzo have to hit shots.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I just hope that in the 2nd window, we will be able to finally beat New Zealand. I think palagi nalang tayong talo against the New Zealand national team. The Tall Blacks beat us in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. Then they swept us in 2 games during the 2023 FIBA World Cup qualifiers (tambak pa pareho yung 2 laro). Then they also beat us again in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup.

New Zealand has our numbers it's time we get back at them & stop them from bitching us.

If Jordan can beat New Zealand, Why not Gilas? If we want to beat NZL, Gilas should match up their physicality.. NZL has always trouble against Middle East teams because they can able to match up w/ their physical strength..

 

[JAMSKIE2]

If Jordan can beat New Zealand, Why not Gilas? If we want to beat NZL, Gilas should match up their physicality.. NZL has always trouble against Middle East teams because they can able to match up w/ their physical strength..

Hello Samad Nikkah Bahrami, is that U?
Hahaha! Just kidding bro!

Well, as U mentioned, maybe Jordan has the physicality to match up New Zealand which is something that Gilas was lacking.

I think in the last 10 years, we are just 50-50 against Jordan. Its not like we have beaten Jordan more than they have beaten us.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Hello Samad Nikkah Bahrami, is that U?
Hahaha! Just kidding bro!

Well, as U mentioned, maybe Jordan has the physicality to match up New Zealand which is something that Gilas was lacking.

I think in the last 10 years, we are just 50-50 against Jordan. Its not like we have beaten Jordan more than they have beaten us.

Yes, we also lose to Jordan but we always beat them when the games matter the most… We beat them in their home turf in previous World Cup qualifiers, when Jordan needed that win to seal their place in the World Cup earlier, and we beat them in Asian games gold medal, after losing in preliminaries… we lost to them also in last window of World Cup qualifiers last year at our home but it doesn’t count anymore because both teams are already qualified…

 

[deku_midoriya2]

I just hope that in the 2nd window, we will be able to finally beat New Zealand. I think palagi nalang tayong talo against the New Zealand national team. The Tall Blacks beat us in the 2016 Olympic Qualifying Tournament. Then they swept us in 2 games during the 2023 FIBA World Cup qualifiers (tambak pa pareho yung 2 laro). Then they also beat us again in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup.

New Zealand has our numbers it's time we get back at them & stop them from bitching us.

2 of the 3 Gilas coaches in those defeats were former Tall Blacks coaches. With a different coach, this time it would be a different result

 

[IPC2]

If Jordan can beat New Zealand, Why not Gilas? If we want to beat NZL, Gilas should match up their physicality.. NZL has always trouble against Middle East teams because they can able to match up w/ their physical strength..

Hello Samad Nikkah Bahrami, is that U?
Hahaha! Just kidding bro!

Well, as U mentioned, maybe Jordan has the physicality to match up New Zealand which is something that Gilas was lacking.

I think in the last 10 years, we are just 50-50 against Jordan. Its not like we have beaten Jordan more than they have beaten us.

We did withstand Jordan's physicality for 3 games, winning two of them. Hope we take that against NZ.​ Take it and dish it.

 

[Rds2]

If Jordan can beat New Zealand, Why not Gilas? If we want to beat NZL, Gilas should match up their physicality.. NZL has always trouble against Middle East teams because they can able to match up w/ their physical strength..

I was actually there. NZ led early on with their shooting. Jordan couldn’t take advantage of their superior height. Probably because in terms of physique and rugged play they were the same. It took a superhuman/Kobe-esque performance from RHJ to catchup and win that game.

Yes. The physique of the ME is their advantage over us and even NZ. We are not naturally bulky in general so we need to neutralize that. Just look at Sleat maximizing his Caucasian genes in the current 3x3 to outstrength the competition.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I think what we missed when we played New Zealand in 3 games in 2022 & lost all those games were athletic & mobile guys like AJ Edu, Jamie Malonzo & Chris Newsome. Of course we also didn't have a Kai Sotto in Gilas at that time. I believe the presence of these players in Gilas improves the team significantly.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

I was actually there. NZ led early on with their shooting. Jordan couldn’t take advantage of their superior height. Probably because in terms of physique and rugged play they were the same. It took a superhuman/Kobe-esque performance from RHJ to catchup and win that game.

Yes. The physique of the ME is their advantage over us and even NZ. We are not naturally bulky in general so we need to neutralize that. Just look at Sleat maximizing his Caucasian genes in the current 3x3 to outstrength the competition.

Even Lebanon also knows how to beat this NZL team... First thing that Gilas should avoid is that "FEAR" playing against Oceania teams... Whenever they playing against them they always come up w/ Fear first even the game is not started...

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Even Lebanon also knows how to beat this NZL team... First thing that Gilas should avoid is that "FEAR" playing against Oceania teams... Whenever they playing against them they always come up w/ Fear first even the game is not started...

Once we start winning against NZ, that fear factor is going to vanish. Its the same as how we usually fear China during those years & decades that we can't beat them. But the moment we upset China in the 2017 FIBA Asia Cup, we realised that China is beatable & is no longer invincible. Imagine, we beat China twice in a row last year.

 

[IPC2]

I think what we missed when we played New Zealand in 3 games in 2022 & lost all those games were athletic & mobile guys like AJ Edu, Jamie Malonzo & Chris Newsome. Of course we also didn't have a Kai Sotto in Gilas at that time. I believe the presence of these players in Gilas improves the team significantly.

Once we start winning against NZ, that fear factor is going to vanish. Its the same as how we usually fear China during those years & decades that we can't beat them. But the moment we upset China in the 2017 FIBA Asia Cup, we realised that China is beatable & is no longer invincible. Imagine, we beat China twice in a row last year.

We've beaten China in 3 of the last 4 competitive games. 2017 was a legit upset. 2023 WC, JC went on an explosion, and they couldn't buy a bucket (we defended well). 2022 Asiad (which was in 2023), we came back against China thanks to JB's explosion and Ange anchoring the defense.

Against NZ, I agree that we needed guys like AJ and Newsome. Let's face it, the only defenders we had in the 2022 games were Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, and Thirdy Ravena. Shot creation too. Juan and Bolick couldn't get going in February 2022 (we had a mostly poor team that window), and Carl was the only one who could score against NZ in June 2022. Defense was a mess as well.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

We've beaten China in 3 of the last 4 competitive games. 2017 was a legit upset. 2023 WC, JC went on an explosion, and they couldn't buy a bucket (we defended well). 2022 Asiad (which was in 2023), we came back against China thanks to JB's explosion and Ange anchoring the defense.

Against NZ, I agree that we needed guys like AJ and Newsome. Let's face it, the only defenders we had in the 2022 games were Dwight Ramos, Will Navarro, and Thirdy Ravena. Shot creation too. Juan and Bolick couldn't get going in February 2022 (we had a mostly poor team that window), and Carl was the only one who could score against NZ in June 2022. Defense was a mess as well.

If I remember it hight, Dwight Ramos didn't play in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup becoz of injury.

Our lack of dependable bigs in 2022 FIBA Asia Cup definitely hurt us. Remember, Kai, Junmar, AJ Edu weren't available. Ange Kouame was injured at that time. We were left with a thin & soft Poy Erram & the raw & slow Geo Chiu to man the middle.

 

[IPC2]

If I remember it hight, Dwight Ramos didn't play in the 2022 FIBA Asia Cup becoz of injury.

Our lack of dependable bigs in 2022 FIBA Asia Cup definitely hurt us. Remember, Kai, Junmar, AJ Edu weren't available. Ange Kouame was injured at that time. We were left with a thin & soft Poy Erram & the raw & slow Geo Chiu to man the middle.

Yeah, Dwight got replaced with Parks in that Asia Cup. Still, we lacked the bigs.

After Erram and Chiu, our bigs who were left were Carl Tamayo and Kevin Quiambao, who were tweeners best left to play 4 at the time, and not really strong interior defenders (although Carl is a good post defender).

 

[IPC2]

Here's Quinito's report on the PBA schedule:

https://www.philstar.com/sports/2024/07/24/2372435/pba-offers-6-days-week-games

- 6 gamedays a week (Tuesday-Sunday)
- Governors' Cup to end 17 November at the latest to make room for the window, which is from 21 to 24 November
- Commissioner's Cup to start in November, with a break for the February window
- All-Filipino is from March to July

​Also, 17 November is too close to the 21st. Only 4 days away. The key players in the PBA contingent (Newsome, June Mar, Japeth, JB, CJ, Scottie) are all on title contenders. We risk getting too tired and maybe too unprepared (lack of chemistry) to face NZ by then.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

​Also, 17 November is too close to the 21st. Only 4 days away. The key players in the PBA contingent (Newsome, June Mar, Japeth, JB, CJ, Scottie) are all on title contenders. We risk getting too tired and maybe too unprepared (lack of chemistry) to face NZ by then.

On the other hand (biglang ganoon noh!!!), our non-PBA Gilas players (Kai, Dwight, Tamayo, Edu, Quiambao, Amos) will be available about 10 days before our 1st game of the 2nd window because the B-league & the KBL would take a 2-week break to give way to the 2nd window 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers.

Let's just pray that both Ginebra & SMB won't make it to the Governor's Cup finals so that Junmar, CJ Perez, Iskati Thompson, Malonzo (hope he's healthy by that time) & Brownlee can join Gilas practice about 10 days before our 1st game in the 2nd window.

 

[paliganibossalfrancis2]

On the other hand (biglang ganoon noh!!!), our non-PBA Gilas players (Kai, Dwight, Tamayo, Edu, Quiambao, Amos) will be available about 10 days before our 1st game of the 2nd window because the B-league & the KBL would take a 2-week break to give way to the 2nd window 2025 FIBA Asia Cup qualifiers.

Let's just pray that both Ginebra & SMB won't make it to the Governor's Cup finals so that Junmar, CJ Perez, Iskati Thompson, Malonzo (hope he's healthy by that time) & Brownlee can join Gilas practice about 10 days before our 1st game in the 2nd window.

Me kinda thinks they should send a B team for Asia Cup Qualifying windows comprising of young players. Just send the A Team (w Junemar, Malonzo, JB, Skati, Perez and Newsome) to FIBA Asia Cup and then the A+ Team (to be determined) to World Cup.

'B' team can be the non-PBA players plus some youngsters they might wanna try (Kai, Dwight, Tamayo, Edu, Quiambao + players like Navarro, RJ, Lopez, Balti, Rhenz, Heading, Panopio)

They should be doing this so passing of the torch to the next gen Gilas will be smooth sailing

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

we've been talking/discussing the issues about "Our NF should assemble a Cadet team as part of the ideal basketball program moving forward" since the time of Adam

but we all know since the time BAP and now by the SBP we haven't heard nor read any official announcement or statement that they created an official Cadet team in preparation to become member of the A-team when the right time comes.

we all know there's no such thing.

CCR previously released his 23 for 23 list but sadly it's just a piece of paper and nothing more.

now under CTC, he firmly said that he will stick to his 12 and only pickup 1 or 2 just in case for that 4 year plan

we can't blame him for being a stickler to his system and his discipline.

now with the new ED and coach norman's nationwide talent identification and that latest LV Camp that may end up in few days time

with the purpose of identifying possible Batang Gilas prospects and put them in their personal database

i had a gut feeling that this would be a prelude to that "Cadet thing" that we were longing all along.

there's a big tournament that will commence this coming Aug as per Fil Nstion Select official FB page

and according to some of my friends there some new talents that was recently identified/discovered that may join the tourney.

hoping that they may also tag along for next year's NBTC/Manila Live tourney.

let see.