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FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

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Kaireem said:
i think it was even pre-civil war, its due to the plantation way of life in the southern states where slaves only had access to certain foods - chickens, collared greens and watermelon the most notable ones, thus the association. heck i was in memphis once and people still cringe when one mentions grape juice.
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Well don't forget the southern style bbq,slaves get the "unwanteed"part of meat of either pork or beef and they mixed with spices and voila,the southern style,Texas,KC,Memphis or Carolina bbq was born.
 
Giannis34GOD said:
Wang Zhelin sucks in FIBA tournaments… Yang Hansen is not yet proven a good elite big man in Asia… Kai is better than him for now… Zhou Qi is relatively always injured and not 100% as always… If Junmar can post up easily against these Chinese bigs, I think even Galloway and Wesley can do the same.. Chinese bigs are soft as Marshmallow…
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"Wang Zhelin sucks in FIBA tournaments."

- against out of shape bigs of Guam except Galloway? let's see this november.

"Yang Hansen is not yet proven a good elite big man in Asia."

- so as the Guamanian bigmen. Guam only has New Zealand, Japan and Taipei as their only FIBA-Asia-level matches. until Guam plays the whole cycle of FIBA-Asia 2025, they have yet to proven anything.

"Zhou Qi is relatively always injured and not 100% as always."

- but he will always be one of the best big men in today's FIBA-Asia.

"If Junmar can post up easily against these Chinese bigs, I think even Galloway and Wesley can do the same."

- I bet, June Mar can post up both Galloway and Wesley too. Anyway, if both Galloway and Wesley dare to do so given the length of those Chinese bigs.

"Chinese bigs are soft as Marshmallow."

- Bold statement but Chinese bigs did not look like marshmallows against Angola (I doubt if Guam can beat Angola).

Giannis34GOD said:
I didn’t say they are already in Par with those strong teams in Asia… but they have the tools to be in that conversation… As I said, all they need is to change their system, their coaching sucks… individually, their talents are on par already w/ Asia’s best.. Who do you think we can compare Earnest Ross in Asia in terms of scoring Wing? He can even score against Japan and NZL and produce points whoever is guarding him… Galloway is a elite Asian big man, even Kai Sotto will have hard time against Galloway.. Wesley is already past on his prime, But his experience is still there and his moves are hard to stop… Takumi Simon also making his name in Japan B league too.. we also don’t forget Jericho Cruz… Individually, they have the talent.. what they need is a true coach that can elevate their team into real contender, This team needs to play as a team oriented basketball.. but they need a coach to set up that.. coach Calvo has no idea how to make this team a contender… Bring Tab Baldwin in this Guam team, they can easily among in the top 8 teams…
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"Who do you think we can compare Earnest Ross in Asia in terms of scoring Wing?"

- There are lots of naturalized wingmen that had played in FIBA-Asia. Jarvis Hayes, Jay Youngblood, Demario Mayfield, Alex Legion, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson and the list goes on. Even Tyler Lamb is a good scoring wing. However, did that translate to winning?

"He can even score against Japan and NZL and produce points whoever is guarding him."

- He also gave up a lot of points to both Japan and New Zealand. Quits lang.

"Galloway is a elite Asian big man, even Kai Sotto will have hard time against Galloway."

- Galloway is an elite big man is Asian-level is quite a stretch. How about Al-Dwairi, Kim Jongkyu, Zhou Qi, Yuta Watanabe, Rui Hachimura and AJ Edu? About Kai Sotto, let's see when Guam and Gilas play each other.

"Wesley is already past on his prime, But his experience is still there and his moves are hard to stop."

- when his shot is not contested by a taller bigman, it is really hard to stop. try that against Edu, Zhou Qi or even Kai Sotto.

"Takumi Simon also making his name in Japan B league too.. we also don’t forget Jericho Cruz."

- There are surplus of guards in FIBA-Asia that are better than them. There is a reason why Jericho Cruz was not called-up by SBP, except in the SEA Games. There is also a reason why Takumi Simon is playing for Guam, instead Japan NT.

"Bring Tab Baldwin in this Guam team, they can easily among in the top 8 teams."

- hypothetical scenario. but let's see. who knows?

Giannis34GOD said:
You have to check what I post, I did say just have chance to upset China is possible, But nothing has assurances here… If Guam can hang on vs China until 4th, Chances of upset is high for them to beat China.. It’s like we are also saying that we have a chance upsetting teams in OQT in July… it’s not exaggerating bro.. So we can say that for Gilas against European teams that we will face in OQT? This is just observation, And another thing, Guam is not your typical team that we compare to say like Mongolia, Kazakhstan or Bahrain.. of all of the 3rd tier teams in Asia, Guam is the strongest chance to upset teams from 1st and 2nd tiers such as China, Iran or even Gilas, if they looking past on them… This is what new FIBA format stands for.. You even post before that you like the current set up of format unlike in the past.. So this is the reason why FIBA change the format, to give opportunities to the other teams such as Guam, Saudi, Bahrain, etc… to gain experience and to reach the level of those contenders in Asian basketball… Imagine if they have a coach someone like Tab Baldwin will coach this Guam team? I’m assured they can upset teams on Asia cup and surprise everybody… I just no trust on their current coach, Their line up is strong, but poor coaching staff..
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"If Guam can hang on vs China until 4th, Chances of upset is high for them to beat China."

- That's still an if. I will wait until November and see for myself.

"It’s like we are also saying that we have a chance upsetting teams in OQT in July."

- I don't expect too much with Gilas in their OQT campaign. Latvia is the hottest team in Europe right now while Georgia is still a pretty solid team. Even if, somehow, Gilas is able to pass the group stage, they will be up against Brazil and Montenegro. Gilas's pathway to Olympics is pretty tough with Latvia, Georgia, Brazil and Montenegro as our groupmates.

"Guam is the strongest chance to upset teams from 1st and 2nd tiers such as China, Iran or even Gilas, if they looking past on them."

- Yeah, yeah, the same thing we said on Palestine and India almost a decade ago. Where is Palestine again in the Asian-level competition today? Don't act as if Guam players are the only tough players in the region. There are plenty of tough teams in Asia.

Guam has yet prove anything at this point.

Maybe, within the next cycle.
 
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ja.he said:
"Wang Zhelin sucks in FIBA tournaments."

- against out of shape bigs of Guam except Galloway? let's see this november.

"Yang Hansen is not yet proven a good elite big man in Asia."

- so as the Guamanian bigmen. Guam only has New Zealand, Japan and Taipei as their only FIBA-Asia-level matches. until Guam plays the whole cycle of FIBA-Asia 2025, they have yet to proven anything.

"Zhou Qi is relatively always injured and not 100% as always."

- but he will always be one of the best big men in today's FIBA-Asia.

"If Junmar can post up easily against these Chinese bigs, I think even Galloway and Wesley can do the same."

- I bet, June Mar can post up both Galloway and Wesley too. Anyway, if both Galloway and Wesley dare to do so given the length of those Chinese bigs.

"Chinese bigs are soft as Marshmallow."

- Bold statement but Chinese bigs did not look like marshmallows against Angola (I doubt if Guam can beat Angola).



"Who do you think we can compare Earnest Ross in Asia in terms of scoring Wing?"

- There are lots of naturalized wingmen that had played in FIBA-Asia. Jarvis Hayes, Jay Youngblood, Demario Mayfield, Alex Legion, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson and the list goes on. Even Tyler Lamb is a good scoring wing. However, did that translate to winning?

"He can even score against Japan and NZL and produce points whoever is guarding him."

- He also gave up a lot of points to both Japan and New Zealand. Quits lang.

"Galloway is a elite Asian big man, even Kai Sotto will have hard time against Galloway."

- Galloway is an elite big man is Asian-level is quite a stretch. How about Al-Dwairi, Kim Jongkyu, Zhou Qi, Yuta Watanabe, Rui Hachimura and AJ Edu? About Kai Sotto, let's see when Guam and Gilas play each other.

"Wesley is already past on his prime, But his experience is still there and his moves are hard to stop."

- when his shot is not contested by a taller bigman, it is really hard to stop. try that against Edu, Zhou Qi or even Kai Sotto.

"Takumi Simon also making his name in Japan B league too.. we also don’t forget Jericho Cruz."

- There are surplus of guards in FIBA-Asia that are better than them. There is a reason why Jericho Cruz was not called-up by SBP, except in the SEA Games. There is also a reason why Takumi Simon is playing for Guam, instead Japan NT.

"Bring Tab Baldwin in this Guam team, they can easily among in the top 8 teams."

- hypothetical scenario. but let's see. who knows?



"If Guam can hang on vs China until 4th, Chances of upset is high for them to beat China."

- That's still an if. I will wait until November and see for myself.

"It’s like we are also saying that we have a chance upsetting teams in OQT in July."

- I don't expect too much with Gilas in their OQT campaign. Latvia is the hottest team in Europe right now while Georgia is still a pretty solid team. Even if, somehow, Gilas is able to pass the group stage, they will be up against Brazil and Montenegro. Gilas's pathway to Olympics is pretty tough with Latvia, Georgia, Brazil and Montenegro as our groupmates.

"Guam is the strongest chance to upset teams from 1st and 2nd tiers such as China, Iran or even Gilas, if they looking past on them."

- Yeah, yeah, the same thing we said on Palestine and India almost a decade ago. Where is Palestine again in the Asian-level competition today? Don't act as if Guam players are the only tough players in the region. There are plenty of tough teams in Asia.

Guam has yet prove anything at this point.

Maybe, within the next cycle.
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You didn’t get the point… Guam has the potential bro, I said it is just their coaching sucks… I think you will agree if Tab will handle this Guam team, they will elevate their status as contenders (he led a ragtag and old 2015 Gilas crew into silver medal finish)... And by the way, You compare Ross to those naturalized players… that means Ross is very good in Asian standards.. Ross is a local player for Guam, In terms of local players in each countries, not including naturalized players, Who among local players can match his talent? The core of Galloway, Wesley, Cruz and Ross are very extreme good in Asian standards… better core than Iran, Jordan and even Korea (just they have better bench crew)… but who cares on weak bench crew if they can play 30 mins or more… CTC and Leo Austria winning games and championships using 8 - 9 man crew… I didn’t hype them, because I know their coaching and system sucks… Too much ISO plays and no direction of plays… BUT as I said, They have the potential to be in conversation… Guam is one good coach away to be elevate themselves as contenders, They gave Japan, NZL and Taipei a very hard competitive game even they are newcomers, How much if they accustomed already in higher FIBA games…
 
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After window 1, we saw how those 24 participating teams in FIBA Asia cup qualifiers and I think some Asian teams needs to catch up more to the real contenders… unlike in Afrobasket, Eurobasket and Americup qualifiers where upsets already common (even top tier teams like USA, Spain, Germany, Argentina and Nigeria suffering losses), Only 1 match that the lower seed won vs the higher seed team (Thailand rank 91 vs Indonesia rank 74), the rest all higher rank teams won…

Tier 1 - Australia (The favorites)

Tier 2 A - Japan, Lebanon, NZL, Philippines (Heavy contenders, potential to beat Australia)

Tier 2 B - China, Korea, Jordan, Iran (Dark horse teams, can beat Upper teams in a good day)

Tier 3 A - Guam, KSA, Kazakhstan, Taiwan, Bahrain, Syria (just one move away to level up into Tier 2 level)

Tier 3 B - Indonesia, Thailand, Qatar, Iraq (Needs improvement, not quite yet)

Tier 4 - Mongolia, Hong Kong, India, UAE (Happy to be there, no chance to win at all cost)
 
Giannis34GOD said:
You didn’t get the point… Guam has the potential bro, I said it is just their coaching sucks… I think you will agree if Tab will handle this Guam team, they will elevate their status as contenders (he led a ragtag and old 2015 Gilas crew into silver medal finish)... And by the way, You compare Ross to those naturalized players… that means Ross is very good in Asian standards.. Ross is a local player for Guam, In terms of local players in each countries, not including naturalized players, Who among local players can match his talent? The core of Galloway, Wesley, Cruz and Ross are very extreme good in Asian standards… better core than Iran, Jordan and even Korea (just they have better bench crew)… but who cares on weak bench crew if they can play 30 mins or more… CTC and Leo Austria winning games and championships using 8 - 9 man crew… I didn’t hype them, because I know their coaching and system sucks… Too much ISO plays and no direction of plays… BUT as I said, They have the potential to be in conversation… Guam is one good coach away to be elevate themselves as contenders, They gave Japan, NZL and Taipei a very hard competitive game even they are newcomers, How much if they accustomed already in higher FIBA games…
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"Guam has the potential bro."

- 7 of them are in their 30's.

"I think you will agree if Tab will handle this Guam team, they will elevate their status as contenders (he led a ragtag and old 2015 Gilas crew into silver medal finish)."

- Again, this thing has not happened yet so I will not say anything about this.

"And by the way, You compare Ross to those naturalized players… that means Ross is very good in Asian standards."

- I see no difference between who is a local and who is a naturalized, for as long as the player plays for that country, he is considered as one of them. Guam is an unincorporated territory of US so the concept of naturalization is non-existent in Guam. Residency does. Again, no matter how good Ross is, it will not guarantee a win for Guam.

"The core of Galloway, Wesley, Cruz and Ross are very extreme good in Asian standards; better core than Iran, Jordan and even Korea (just they have better bench crew); but who cares on weak bench crew if they can play 30 mins or more; CTC and Leo Austria winning games and championships using 8 - 9 man crew."

- 2002, 2007 and 2009 Philippine teams had better cores, talent-wise, than Guam but did they win anything? Koreans had beaten New Zealand not once, not twice but thrice. Not very talented but skilled. Iran has what Guam has but with better BBIQ than most of Guam's opponents, so what is basically the advantage of Guam to Iran? Thailand loaded its team with 3 Thai-Fors (Lisch, Morgan and Ejesu) but did it change anything against Korea?

"They gave Japan, NZL and Taipei a very hard competitive game even they are newcomers."

- I agree with Taipei but against Japan and New Zealand? Guam lost to Japan and New Zealand by 19 and 21, respectively. What was very hard there? It's not even close.

"I didn't hype them."

- Yeah sure, you are not hyping them, if you say so. Haha

Well, Guam could end up 2-4 next year - good for the best third placers' game. I think that they will be able to qualify in next year's FIBA-Asia Cup and the qualifying windows for the World Cup as they will be up against Chinese-Taipei (which is in a messy situation today) and Thailand.​
 
ja.he said:
"Guam has the potential bro."

- 7 of them are in their 30's.

"I think you will agree if Tab will handle this Guam team, they will elevate their status as contenders (he led a ragtag and old 2015 Gilas crew into silver medal finish)."

- Again, this thing has not happened yet so I will not say anything about this.

"And by the way, You compare Ross to those naturalized players… that means Ross is very good in Asian standards."

- I see no difference between who is a local and who is a naturalized, for as long as the player plays for that country, he is considered as one of them. Guam is an unincorporated territory of US so the concept of naturalization is non-existent in Guam. Residency does. Again, no matter how good Ross is, it will not guarantee a win for Guam.

"The core of Galloway, Wesley, Cruz and Ross are very extreme good in Asian standards; better core than Iran, Jordan and even Korea (just they have better bench crew); but who cares on weak bench crew if they can play 30 mins or more; CTC and Leo Austria winning games and championships using 8 - 9 man crew."

- 2002, 2007 and 2009 Philippine teams had better cores, talent-wise, than Guam but did they win anything? Koreans had beaten New Zealand not once, not twice but thrice. Not very talented but skilled. Iran has what Guam has but with better BBIQ than most of Guam's opponents, so what is basically the advantage of Guam to Iran? Thailand loaded its team with 3 Thai-Fors (Lisch, Morgan and Ejesu) but did it change anything against Korea?

"They gave Japan, NZL and Taipei a very hard competitive game even they are newcomers."

- I agree with Taipei but against Japan and New Zealand? Guam lost to Japan and New Zealand by 19 and 21, respectively. What was very hard there? It's not even close.

"I didn't hype them."

- Yeah sure, you are not hyping them, if you say so. Haha

Well, Guam could end up 2-4 next year - good for the best third placers' game. I think that they will be able to qualify in next year's FIBA-Asia Cup and the qualifying windows for the World Cup as they will be up against Chinese-Taipei (which is in a messy situation today) and Thailand.​
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Don’t look at the score bro… it’s not like the game is already done since the first half, They hang on against those teams until half of 4th qtr.. Japan just manage to make it a 20 pt lead because they looking at the quotient… but it was very competitive from the start.. And agree it or not, they are just one good coach away to be in Tier 2 level… Talent win games but good system wins championships… Guam is not yet reach their full potential yet, they need a good coach to reach that… Just what happened to Gilas under Chot Reyes.. very powerful line up in our standards but poor coaching that let us in disappointment in the end… That is also Guam’s situation right now
 
Giannis34GOD said:
Don’t look at the score bro… it’s not like the game is already done since the first half, They hang on against those teams until half of 4th qtr.. Japan just manage to make it a 20 pt lead because they looking at the quotient… but it was very competitive from the start.. And agree it or not, they are just one good coach away to be in Tier 2 level… Talent win games but good system wins championships… Guam is not yet reach their full potential yet, they need a good coach to reach that… Just what happened to Gilas under Chot Reyes.. very powerful line up in our standards but poor coaching that let us in disappointment in the end… That is also Guam’s situation right now
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"Don't look at the score."

- where should I look then?

"it's not like the game is already done since the first half, They hang on against those teams until half of 4th qtr.. Japan just manage to make it a 20 pt lead because they looking at the quotient; but it was very competitive from the start."

- if we follow your logic, a basketball game should not be four quarters then. guam could have defended japan and tried to score against japan since there is a quotient system. but guess what? they didn't because they couldn't.

"And agree it or not, they are just one good coach away to be in Tier 2 level."

- we'll never know until they do. otherwise, this is just an educated hypothesis.

"Guam is not yet reach their full potential yet."

- when is that? when tai wesley reaches 40 two years from now? 7 players of Guam are in their 30's while others are either in their mid or late 20's. where is the potential there?

"Just what happened to Gilas under Chot Reyes. Very powerful line up in our standards but poor coaching that let us in disappointment in the end; That is also Guam's situation right now."

- Gilas powerful? When? Never heard that. What I know is that Gilas is one of the better teams in Asia, not powerful.

- Guam powerful? When? The team has a small sample size against better teams in Asia. The team has yet to prove anything in Asia.
 
ja.he said:
"Don't look at the score."

- where should I look then?

"it's not like the game is already done since the first half, They hang on against those teams until half of 4th qtr.. Japan just manage to make it a 20 pt lead because they looking at the quotient; but it was very competitive from the start."

- if we follow your logic, a basketball game should not be four quarters then. guam could have defended japan and tried to score against japan since there is a quotient system. but guess what? they didn't because they couldn't.

"And agree it or not, they are just one good coach away to be in Tier 2 level."

- we'll never know until they do. otherwise, this is just an educated hypothesis.

"Guam is not yet reach their full potential yet."

- when is that? when tai wesley reaches 40 two years from now? 7 players of Guam are in their 30's while others are either in their mid or late 20's. where is the potential there?

"Just what happened to Gilas under Chot Reyes. Very powerful line up in our standards but poor coaching that let us in disappointment in the end; That is also Guam's situation right now."

- Gilas powerful? When? Never heard that. What I know is that Gilas is one of the better teams in Asia, not powerful.

- Guam powerful? When? The team has a small sample size against better teams in Asia. The team has yet to prove anything in Asia.
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So that means if we follow your logic, Korea is no match for Australia, even Korea is controlling the game for more than 30 mins, Only Australia made a run just 6 mins in the 4th and make it a 14 pt lead.. If we follow you logic, The games of Gilas in last world cup is mostly not competitive, since we lost by 19 pts by SSD, 10 pts by Angola and 7 by Italy... Did you watch the game? Or just looking at boxscores, Japan made it a 21 pt lead because they still shoot for quotient, Did you know that? It's not like in the 1st qtr are already settled.. Guam did have the lead most of the times.. This is not like the game of Gilas vs HK and Taipei... In fact, Japan's lead in last 3 mins is just 10 pts, before Japan settled for garbage points for quotient due to FIBA's point quotient system.. Guam is not a proven team, You are right but they have potential.. Do you know the meaning of Potential? Is like we always say for Kai, He has potential to be best center of Asia, even Kai is not proven yet in Asian scene... Maybe better Agree to disagree since our opinions are different.. If you don't believe on them then that's fine.. It is your opinion by the way... For me, I'm more looking for teams who are improving their basketball programs from scratch... Qualifying for main FIBA Asia cup is already a big achievement for a country / state that has only a total population of 170,000 inhabitants.. Can you find a state / country for a total of such small population but still able to be competitive in international basketball? The Bahamas, Montenegro and Cape Verde are the smallest countries and small population in terms of size per population but the smallest of them is Bahamas w/ 430,000 in terms of population while Cape Verde in terms of land... Guam is more smaller than them both...
 
Maaan, the grammar of some people can really jar your reading experience here in interbasket. haha tsk tsk.
 
The newest Fibaworld rankings saw Gilas Pilipinas improve one spot better than it was last year.
 

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Maaan, the grammar of some people can really jar your reading experience here in interbasket. haha tsk tsk.
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Hahahahahhahahahaha "i cAn TaKe tHeM dOwN iN aNy CoNvErSaTiOn" daw eh and yet his grammar and reading comprehension REALLY sucks BIG TIME.
 
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