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Metta2
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No need to be over-excited and over-unexcited about that HK game. It's the first game and it's against a weak team. Most of the takeaways (both positive and negative) from that game won't translate against better teams.
The game against Taiwan should be better in terms of analysis for our quality.
The game against Taiwan should be better in terms of analysis for our quality.
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B L A C K S U N2
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It's the fact that once they went up 9-0, they allowed this team that's not on their level to make it a game for at least a half. And yes, I did compare to how this game went by with the Korea-Australia and Taipei-NZ games. This FIBA game is about who makes runs at the right time. It didn't look very professional out there for the first 20 minutes. Then those outside shots started to fall despite good defense... then HK just ran out of gas when Gilas decided to run... this clearly won't work against better teams and the thought of it makes me doubt our chances in World Cup qualifying next year when all them Ginebra players will be tired af coming into those late-2026 windows if the SBP still goes with this aging core. For FIBA Asia qualifying, it is what it is. 2nd place in the group suddenly looks questionable.
I'm honestly not quite sure if I'm gonna take you seriously or not. You are expecting perfection on their first official game? The players barely understand the system. It would probably take at least 6 months to get the basic gist of it.
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Metta2
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Over-confidence is a common thing. Gilas never really thought of HK as a threat. They throttled HK in the beginning, HK punched back, they got surprised by the resistance, and then just remembered how much better they were. This won't work against better teams, but it's understandable for a first game against a weak team.
We'll be seeing zone defense against us plenty since scouting report on us is bad shooting. And if we can't bust zone D's, it gives our inferior opponents a chance to hang.
As far as plays/actions are concerned...I'd just like to assume that we don't want to show our plays this early especially against a team we can beat bara-bara style.
We'll be seeing zone defense against us plenty since scouting report on us is bad shooting. And if we can't bust zone D's, it gives our inferior opponents a chance to hang.
As far as plays/actions are concerned...I'd just like to assume that we don't want to show our plays this early especially against a team we can beat bara-bara style.
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Kaireem2
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It's the fact that once they went up 9-0, they allowed this team that's not on their level to make it a game for at least a half. And yes, I did compare to how this game went by with the Korea-Australia and Taipei-NZ games. This FIBA game is about who makes runs at the right time. It didn't look very professional out there for the first 20 minutes. Then those outside shots started to fall despite good defense... then HK just ran out of gas when Gilas decided to run... this clearly won't work against better teams and the thought of it makes me doubt our chances in World Cup qualifying next year when all them Ginebra players will be tired af coming into those late-2026 windows if the SBP still goes with this aging core. For FIBA Asia qualifying, it is what it is. 2nd place in the group suddenly looks questionable.
hater, go munch on baldwin's ....
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Kaireem2
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Over-confidence is a common thing. Gilas never really thought of HK as a threat. They throttled HK in the beginning, HK punched back, they got surprised by the resistance, and then just remembered how much better they were. This won't work against better teams, but it's understandable for a first game against a weak team.
We'll be seeing zone defense against us plenty since scouting report on us is bad shooting. And if we can't bust zone D's, it gives our inferior opponents a chance to hang.
As far as plays/actions are concerned...I'd just like to assume that we don't want to show our plays this early especially against a team we can beat bara-bara style.
hk came back vs the 2nd team - during the time tamayo and kq playing the 5 and 4 spots to be exact
oh and yeah kq scored 15 points but 9-10 of those came when gilas was already up big in the 4Q but let's not kid ourselves he was too small to bother duncan reid at the post and too slow to cover th hk perimeter players during the 2Q
it'll be interesting if how much tim will go with him vs taipei
on a separate note edu didn't play so that robbed us of a kai + edu frontcourt, dwight also had an offnight by his standards. oftana surprisingly is an asset with his perimeter d but he seems to be too tight on the offensive end - takes too much time to shoot compared to how he does it in the pba, cone needs to tell him its ok to miss.
as far as the bench goes, tamayo seems to have regressed and gilas would've been better off with abando and parks than perez and malonzo.
there's a couple more players tim should look at - if will navarro is healthy then he, oftana and kq gives us decent size, skill and depth at the 2 and 3 positions. i think we need a young stretch 4 like balti or carino rather than japeth at this stage. for the point heading and bolick should be considered.
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i thought it was a good game for dweet as he didnt ball hog the ball.. only take shots he should take.. ball handling still an issue even as sg he isnt used on the quick passing yet..
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yogaflame2
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It is still a big learning curve, I won't even be suprise if we struggle against Taiwan, but this is Coach Cone, he knows how to adjust. But to be honest, right now , if we have a game against New Zealand, will be clobbered, it's a lopsided win for NZ. NZ is to physical for lur team right now. For me we need two 6'6 and above athletic and high motor banger. Mike Philips and Zavier Lucero could have been the perfect two, but will there ever be considered as local? How about Ange Kuoame? He was raised here in the Philippines.
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Giannis34GOD2
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Some posters here are too paranoid with Gilas 1st official FIBA game under CTC... Cmon!!! This is just only the beginning, Day 1 / Game 1 of what? 100 days / Games of being together... This is 4 year program... Stop being too much critic on this new program... As if we go all out on that game vs HK, they just try to run what CTC wants to be long term... No need to win big blowouts here... This is not FIBA Asia cup main tournament or WC that every point counts...
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Giannis34GOD2
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So then what was the whole point of getting a coach of a pro team... who had four of his players from his own team... plus three players he worked with in the Asian Games... and two B.League players that are supposed to be pro-level who he is very familiar with working as an assistant in the World Cup... leaving Tamayo and KQ as the only guys who had to be familiar with the group?
Did you buy that bs that Al Francis and those SBP replacements told you that this setup should be that much better in terms of continuity than a bunch of college kids and a FIBA (Al Francis even dared to call him an amateur) coach in a 3-week camp so that the PBA can just finish the Commisioner's Cup in peace?
Sotto was the most useful player in that game no thanks to this stagant offense they tried to run, but because all HK could do was foul his lanky ass and try to make it harder for him to position inside... but he made 7/8 FT's. Cone's own Ginebra players were trying to play PBA baaketball in a game where no one calls defensive 3 for camping in the paint on the zone.
See, the difference with legit FIBA ball than a typical Ginebra game is the number of actions away from the ball to find the best option as opposed to moving that ball around where the end result is a contested corner three or skip pass to the top where everything is more about JB's talent and ability to draw defenders than tactical maturity. Ultimately, they made those shots in the 3rd but found more success out-running a tired 6-man HK team.
Is that you Billy Manzano? Parehong pareho kayo ng take ni Billy Tabs eh... Just easy... This is just Day 1 together as a team in their 4 year program together... We don't need to win big leads against weak teams just to prove we are strong team...
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Giannis34GOD2
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Predictions for sunday's game:
Hong Kong - New Zealand 35
Japan - China 18
Korea - Thailand 20
Mongolia - Guam 10
Chinese-Taipei - Philippines 10
Indonesia - Australia 45
How about today's game? What are your takes? We have to check their games, especially Jordan, Iran and especially our main rival Lebanon....
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Giannis34GOD2
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tamayo is not a center and shouldn't be played as one. he's at his best playing PF next to sotto/edu or as a sf with all 3 of them on the floor.
i liked what i saw from oftana, doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. great defense too. nice to see somebody adjust well to being a role player after being the primary option in the pba
I tell you, Oftana is vital for CTC's rotation... I think CTC more trust Oftana than his main guy in Ginebra at Malonzo... He was the 1st pick of CTC when he appointed as coach...
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The_Big_Cat2
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I tell you, Oftana is vital for CTC's rotation... I think CTC more trust Oftana than his main guy in Ginebra at Malonzo... He was the 1st pick of CTC when he appointed as coach...
This I agree with. Every team needs role players. This is why Cone probably picked Oftana. Defense-oriented in the perimeter and can shoot the lights out if left wide open.
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Giannis34GOD2
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This I agree with. Every team needs role players. This is why Cone probably picked Oftana. Defense-oriented in the perimeter and can shoot the lights out if left wide open.
I also want him last WC over Pogoy that time... Just Chot loves his boytoy Pogoy... perfect wing guy for Gilas since Norwood., But Oftana have better offense than Norwood...
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How about today's game? What are your takes? We have to check their games, especially Jordan, Iran and especially our main rival Lebanon....
I'll give one:
Iran - Qatar 30
Kazakhstan - India 18
Iraq- KSA 12
Syria - Lebanon 20
Bahrain - UAE 11
Jordan - Palestine 17
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Giannis34GOD2
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The possible number of games that this core will be together in 4 years before the FIBAWC 2027 will be atleast minimum of 23 games and maximum of 31 games, Not counting other tournaments such as SEAG, Asian Games and other tune up tournaments such as Jones cup, King Abdullah cup, Dubai cup, etc, If they joins there... I think they will be fine, The thing that CTC make this program unique as other coaches before is that unlike before, We are begging for players who will play for the window, Sometimes we parade those players who are no longer considered such as Asi, Kelly Williams, Mark Barroca or Alex Cabagnot or not good enough such as Kib Montalbo, Poy Erram, Abu Tratter or Nietto Bros... When the new cycle implemented by FIBA in 2017, We have no continuity who are our line ups in each windows... If you look at other countries, They used FIBA windows to create chemistry in each other and have plan to insert it into the final line up or they keep their core from Qualifiers until the World cup.. Only 2 countries that has only changing every players in every windows, namely Team USA and Philippines... We understand team USA because they have very deep pool and can qualify even their line up are only bunch of G League rejects, We don't have that.. We didn't use this FIBA window to create chemistry and familiarity with those players until WC, sometimes we insert players who didn't played any FIBA Windows and they easily inserted in the WC line up that mess the chemistry w/ other players... One of my examples that they used FIBA Windows to create chemistry and building towards success in the FIBA WC is Latvia, From Pre Qualifiers until the FIBA WC last year they used the same players from day 1, only players who are not there but still already create chemistry in the past are Porzingis and Bertans... Now check the rosters of each teams in respective Continental qualifiers, many will tell that is their team B, But No... That is already their team A... Spain even parade Hernangomez bros and Ricky Rubio, Argentina have Campazzo, Deck and Briskunno, Brazil has Yugo Santos and Cabocclo, Slovenia has Tobey, Prepelic and Blazic, and more teams using using that formula... Even Canada inserting players who played last WC for continuity such as Alexander, Srubb and Haynes... CTC doing this same approach because he knows this is effective, Than having longer preparations in such main events that our previous coaches do... All of the countries are now participating in this qualifiers already looking for cohesion to build until it will be a solid foundation come 2027 FIBA WC... That's why this qualifiers are very important, either we face strong or weak teams to develop chemistry long term...
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Giannis34GOD2
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This is the road map of Gilas until 2027 WC:
FIBA Asia cup qualifiers : Minimum of 6 games and Max of 8 games (If we enter 3rd placers qualification games)
2024 OQT to Paris: Minimum of 2 games and Max of 4 games (If we enter in the final round)
Main FIBA Asia cup: Minimum of 3 games and Max of 7 games (If we enter to the medal rounds)
World Cup qualifiers: Minimum of 6 games and Max of 12 games (If we made it to the 2nd round of WC qualifiers)
So Gilas will have a Maximum of 31 games of being together until the FIBA WC starts in 2027...
FIBA Asia cup qualifiers : Minimum of 6 games and Max of 8 games (If we enter 3rd placers qualification games)
2024 OQT to Paris: Minimum of 2 games and Max of 4 games (If we enter in the final round)
Main FIBA Asia cup: Minimum of 3 games and Max of 7 games (If we enter to the medal rounds)
World Cup qualifiers: Minimum of 6 games and Max of 12 games (If we made it to the 2nd round of WC qualifiers)
So Gilas will have a Maximum of 31 games of being together until the FIBA WC starts in 2027...
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Giannis34GOD2
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Is there any links for today's game?
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xenoloxy2
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Iran looking weak
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Iran is losing to Qatar
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