FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[sroth38392]

I'm pretty sure that'll get you blacklisted. Unless you're a really high level prospect like Dwight etc you could end up like SJ, Dave, Abando etc.

What do you mean? Are you referring to draft dodgers?

 

[reamily2]

You know whats more strange than Gilas leaving Nike? Its the Serbian team wearing Nike Kits from now on.

 

[Dotch2]

You know whats more strange than Gilas leaving Nike? Its the Serbian team wearing Nike Kits from now on.

Did SBP drop Nike because of creative differences? Did Nike really insist on using a lighter shade or wrong pantone of blue paired with yellow (not gold) trimmings, instead of the traditional (close to Royal ) Blue, with gold Trimmings?

 

[ARMIR2]

30%.

Kiwis shoot well beyond the arc.

They are physical and have good guards to bother our back court.

And they play at home.

Kiwis by 15

15 or 20+ if CTC decided it was a lost cause and be out of character and play the rest of the bench.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

That's basically their incoming Team A though, all of their core are going pass their prime, especially Zhou Qi. I think they still went full force in that Asian Games with all of their somewhat best prime players but did not still work, hence a rebuilding is needed for them.

Yeah. This current team of China has about 6 players who are regular fixtures of the Chinese national team in the last 5 yrs or so. You got Zhou Qi, Zhao Rui, Zhao Jewei, Xu Jei, Hu Jinqiu, in there who are familiar names & faces of this China team. Not in this team is many time national team player center Wang Zhelin. Actually the Chinese constantly revamp their national team with a good No. of new players coming in.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Dont sleep on iran, I still see their mixture of size and talent that will still be contenders in asia..Especially once the asia leagues are opening their opportunities for them

Yes bro. Iran remains a dangerous team with a lot of promising young players one of them is 6-foot-9 power forward Parsa Fallah who is doing very well in an NCAA division 1 school in the US. Another player is 6-foot-6 wingman Mohammed Amini who is polishing his game in the French premier pro league. Then there's 6-foot-7 small forward Matin Aghajanpour who is a deadly 3-pt shooter. Iran has good quality guards & wingmen but its current weakness is exactly what was once its strength - the center spot. Legendary center Hamed Haddadi is obviously a generational player that no Iranian center at present comes close to what Haddadi can bring to the table for Iran basketball.

 

[FilWelsh2]

I am hoping comes FIBA Asia Cup this August qualified teams will field their best “A” team. That Australia and Japan would bring their NBA players. Crown prince MBS will be very generous to the winners…

 

[thatweirdguy2]

15 or 20+ if CTC decided it was a lost cause and be out of character and play the rest of the bench.

Don't really care if they are all treating these as non bearing games. I still get flashbacks of Chot/ Yeng losing tune up games even against teams they should soundly beat before getting absolutely embarrassed in the games that mattered. We should see some adjustments. Can't really count on Kai's health and availability all the time. Especially since it's still uncertain when and if he'll be back to 100%. You never know how injuries affect how a player plays.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

losing to New Zealand by more than 10 will tell if there really is a problem with the team and the gameplan without Kai to bail its ass out. It's really cringey watching pinoy fans larp like gilas is gsw with curry, it's still an Asian basketball team that needs to find its identity, why not try and bring out KQ and Tamayo's best games in the kbl instead. Korea has gotten close to getting upset but they were never really upset by teams that are on Taiwan and Indonesia's levels, the lost actually really really fucking sucks, it's almost 6 steps backwards from the 10 forward steps they made beating Latvia and New Zealand. Pretty sure they'll make 4+ more step backwards in the future, that's just the nature of being a pinoy

 

[TheRodster212]

losing to New Zealand by more than 10 will tell if there really is a problem with the team and the gameplan without Kai to bail its ass out. It's really cringey watching pinoy fans larp like gilas is gsw with curry, it's still an Asian basketball team that needs to find its identity, why not try and bring out KQ and Tamayo's best games in the kbl instead. Korea has gotten close to getting upset but they were never really upset by teams that are on Taiwan and Indonesia's levels, the lost actually really really fucking sucks, it's almost 6 steps backwards from the 10 forward steps they made beating Latvia and New Zealand. Pretty sure they'll make 4+ more step backwards in the future, that's just the nature of being a pinoy

One of the things I haven’t liked so far is not playing the bench. During the tuneups, I felt Brownlee was playing too many minutes and the young guys weren’t getting enough burn. Also since these are non bearing games, I think the young guys should get more go.

Ive been pointing out what I saw when I watched Tamayo and KQ in the KBL so that it’s not a surprise when it comes to Gilas why their game isnt translating as much. There was a slow a reason CTC isn’t playing them as much probably based on what he’s seen from practice and tuneups but may as well give them some experience to figure it out against stronger opponents.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

losing to New Zealand by more than 10 will tell if there really is a problem with the team and the gameplan without Kai to bail its ass out. It's really cringey watching pinoy fans larp like gilas is gsw with curry, it's still an Asian basketball team that needs to find its identity, why not try and bring out KQ and Tamayo's best games in the kbl instead. Korea has gotten close to getting upset but they were never really upset by teams that are on Taiwan and Indonesia's levels, the lost actually really really fucking sucks, it's almost 6 steps backwards from the 10 forward steps they made beating Latvia and New Zealand. Pretty sure they'll make 4+ more step backwards in the future, that's just the nature of being a pinoy

I would like to believe that Chinese Taipei's win over Gilas was just a fluke but rationale tells me it isn't. I think Chinese Taipei now is capable of beatings teams like Jordan, Qatar (which has also improved lately as well), Saudi Arabia, Korea, & of course Gilas. To think wala pa dyan yung mga Hinton brothers sa Chinese Taipei. CT will definitely get even stronger with the Hinton brothers.

CT is very much into the development stage so it will certainly improve more.

 

[BJ_Reloaded2]

I am hoping comes FIBA Asia Cup this August qualified teams will field their best “A” team. That Australia and Japan would bring their NBA players. Crown prince MBS will be very generous to the winners…

Sir Fil,

I doubt if the Boomers will send their A team compose mostly of their NBA guys unless they will be beaten soundly on this edition expect they would parade them the next edition.

expect those NBL guys will be there possibly Mat Dellavedova, Goulding, Kay, Cotton among others

as for the Akatsukis I doubt Rui sama will be there but Yuki san, Watanabe, Baba, Tominaga are the possibility.

I also want to add the TB on this as well,

because of that defeat against Gilas, they gradually include a few of their A-listers

but if Gilas defeats them again tomorrow morning expect that they would include their Euro vets on FIBA Asia Cup

that's my take on this.

 

[reamily2]

In east asia you have to contend with nz, aus, phi japan korea and china to get to top 6 thats almost the lineup of wc qualifiees already...taiwan needs to get past the 6 just to make it to second round and scrubs like homer sayson belittle this 70 plus ranked team

 

[empyreanmaze2]

One of the things I haven’t liked so far is not playing the bench. During the tuneups, I felt Brownlee was playing too many minutes and the young guys weren’t getting enough burn. Also since these are non bearing games, I think the young guys should get more go.

Ive been pointing out what I saw when I watched Tamayo and KQ in the KBL so that it’s not a surprise when it comes to Gilas why their game isnt translating as much. There was a slow a reason CTC isn’t playing them as much probably based on what he’s seen from practice and tuneups but may as well give them some experience to figure it out against stronger opponents.

I highly suspect it's pedantry, they could be forcing the young players to play a certain way instead of adapting the system to their strengths and benching them when they fail. I'm not advocating for bara bara system but this might be the other end of the spectrum and when the loses pile up the pendulum might swing and fans will ask for the bara bara system back lol. Any reasonable person would want the middle ground between bara bara and pedantry when it comes to the team's identity though.

They really should get a handle of what they expect from the players, even in the nba most players just play ball, they're not tacticians nor do they really understand the strategy 100%, they just ball. I really hope they're not expecting too much tactical saviness from guys like KQ and Tamayo, it develops through experience, just let them rely on intuition a little bit.

I was having second thoughts saying this until I realized this isn't Tamayo and KQ's first time in gilas, their integration into the team has been really really slow and for what reason really but to prioritise pba players.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

I would like to believe that Chinese Taipei's win over Gilas was just a fluke but rationale tells me it isn't. I think Chinese Taipei now is capable of beatings teams like Jordan, Qatar (which has also improved lately as well), Saudi Arabia, Korea, & of course Gilas. To think wala pa dyan yung mga Hinton brothers sa Chinese Taipei. CT will definitely get even stronger with the Hinton brothers.

CT is very much into the development stage so it will certainly improve more.

I don't disagree, seeing problems with gilas is not an automatic assumption that Taiwan will remain weak, you can criticize gilas without disparaging the other side but this isn't about just one game, gilas has been blowing black smoke from its exhaust since the tuneups in the Middle East.

Does the thought that "while everyone else improves, it's ok if we remain the same" accurate for what you're trying to imply?

 

[reamily2]

Who would you want fiba to get eligible ron harper jr or quentin millora brown.. boy sbp loobying for guys like malomzo and adams was just..

 

[noyce2]

I highly suspect it's pedantry, they could be forcing the young players to play a certain way instead of adapting the system to their strengths and benching them when they fail.

also beginning to think, what if Tamayo and KQ do not fit the triangle? does Cone drop them? haha

it seems Tamayo was the starter against Qatar (also Lebanon?) (as Kai replacement?), but lost his spot against Egypt and Taiwan. KQ is the Brownlee sub, but always takes bad decision 3s in the Doha games. i believe this led to the short leash/DNP against Taiwan.

 

[empyreanmaze2]

also beginning to think, what if Tamayo and KQ do not fit the triangle? does Cone drop them? haha

it seems Tamayo was the starter against Qatar (also Lebanon?) (as Kai replacement?), but lost his spot against Egypt and Taiwan. KQ is the Brownlee sub, but always takes bad decision 3s in the Doha games. i believe this led to the short leash/DNP against Taiwan.

Might very well be that Tim only adjusts for Kai Sotto. They did well against Georgia and Brazil though, but I also suspect that's only because those 2 teams respected gilas too much and didn't know it was relying almost everything on Kai Sotto. They also misunderstood and hyperfixated on Brownlee, the Taiwanese coaching staff understood far better, gave up on Brownlee and allowed him to score 39 and exploited everyone else. A well scouted Kailess pba gilas is in for a long losing streak imo and some of those loses would really make gilas fans start pulling their hairs out, it's the return of the Chot era with Blatche

 

[noyce2]

Might very well be that Tim only adjusts for Kai Sotto. They did well against Georgia and Brazil though, but I also suspect that's only because those 2 teams respected gilas too much and didn't know it was relying almost everything on Kai Sotto. A well scouted Kailess pba gilas is in for a long losing streak imo

KQ shot and missed that fastbreak 3 against Brazil, iirc. which is a no-no for a Cone team (recalling Willie Miller fastbreak 3 miss story Alaska days hehe).

it might be because the Kai-Junemar slow tempo triangle was proven to work, and it is indeed because Kai hides the deficiencies of Junemar when they play together, but now Cone is back to square 1. was excited to see how AJ fits in the triangle, but it seems other posters are correct that AJ is more effective as a PNR big. Cone has a history of not developing players? i agree with the other posters that Gilas is now run as a PBA team (needs now ready players) instead of like an NBA team (player development included except for championship teams).

 

[empyreanmaze2]

KQ shot and missed that fastbreak 3 against Brazil, iirc. which is a no-no for a Cone team (recalling Willie Miller fastbreak 3 miss story Alaska days hehe).

Man, KQ during that game had 0 professional experience. I've watched almost all of his kbl games and this man has done nothing but upgraded.

was excited to see how AJ fits in the triangle, but it seems other posters are correct that AJ is more effective as a PNR big.​

I forgot to account for Edu in the program. Very possible that he's the brand new variable that might've brought up the need to overhaul the system we saw during the Latvia OQT. Like a brand new function introduced to a program that isn't fully utilized by the main logical framework yet(IT analogy)