FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[deku_midoriya2]

People dont think that if lets say half of the team is injured and you have limited people, it is not good that we only send 6-8 players in window games or tournament proper

This injuries are basketball gods sign to tim cone to widen the pool.. Bet media will ask tim cone about the pool and cone will get irk again..

If half of the team is injured you have the bench players to step in and the reserves in place for the bench players. The positive thing that could happen is KQ, Mason, Kouame, Perez, Malonzo can have their playing time.

 

[deku_midoriya2]

So we can wait till 11th hour to find replacements? That's not how it works.. even powerhouse teams have wider pool why not RP? Sure the system work about this short pool but in the long run it will bite us..

Don't defend cone's stubborness.

It pays good to have a wider pool..

I can defend cone because obviously he is hundred folds better than us in coaching and assessing players. And he brought us golds and historic wins.

Thats probably the easiest defense ever.

Lets stop being whiny because our favorite players are left out

 

[Silent Killer2]

If half of the team is injured you have the bench players to step in and the reserves in place for the bench players. The positive thing that could happen is KQ, Mason, Kouame, Perez, Malonzo can have their playing time.

So its okay we only send 6-8 players to the window games? Again stop defending cone's stubborness

Widen the pool. We're not exempted to strictly this style. Every NT does have deeper pool.

Cone wants to copy iran system? Iran has team b..

 

[deku_midoriya2]

So its okay we only send 6-8 players to the window games? Again stop defending cone's stubborness

Widen the pool. We're not exempted to strictly this style. Every NT does have deeper pool.

Cone wants to copy iran system? Iran has team b..

Having reserves does not equate to having a team B. I agree with having a team B with Cones assistants as coaches to impart the triangle. The problem is no one going to finance it.

 

[Silent Killer2]

Having reserves does not equate to having a team B. I agree with having a team B with Cones assistants as coaches to impart the triangle. The problem is no one going to finance it.

apply smc farming system to National team.. that works.. make team b as your farm team to team A.

 

[deku_midoriya2]

apply smc farming system to National team.. that works.. make team b as your farm team to team A.

You have to understand that these gilas 12 are contracted to Gilas already. Their contracts together the coaching staff's are not peanuts. These are probably the highest paying Filipino pro players. I can understand why it is hard to maintain another team. You can't expect players to join without allowances and compensation

 

[ja.he2]

I can defend cone because obviously he is hundred folds better than us in coaching and assessing players. And he brought us golds and historic wins.

Thats probably the easiest defense ever.

Lets stop being whiny because our favorite players are left out

It's not being whiny, we are just a suggesting. Other people in media and, maybe, in the basketball circles will also probably agree that expansion of the pool is inside to accommodate additional bigs. Size was the huge factor on Gilas's victories against Latvia and New Zealand. With Kai, Japeth and Troy out, there will be a hole in our team. Let's just pray that Edu wi perform and JMF will be faster than as usual. In any event, Gilas needs a couple of bigmen as insurance.

 

[IPC2]

Who can be called up via hugot? Cone is applying hugot through Japeth and Troy. Even Ange was a hugot last window.

I think the needed reserves are wing defenders and bigman defenders. As to wing defenders, we have just Oftana, Dwight, and JB so far. I've seen some defense from Malonzo, I just need to see more in future games. As to interior defense, it's just Kai, AJ, Japeth, and Ange (who's naturalized). Actually nga, if we have a good enough line of available interior defenders, I don't think we'll need as many defenders in the other positions.

 

[IPC2]

At this point, we just need to see if there can be a workable lineup among the available pieces. We have to use the Doha tournament and this window to figure it out.

I'd like to win our group, but priority should be to find a workable lineup. We will need as many workable lineups as possible, especially in the November 2025 and even February 2026 windows.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

People dont think that if lets say half of the team is injured and you have limited people, it is not good that we only send 6-8 players in window games or tournament proper

This injuries are basketball gods sign to tim cone to widen the pool.. Bet media will ask tim cone about the pool and cone will get irk again..

I know this is just a figure of speech but I strongly agree with U on this. As what I've implied, in a span of 1 year, how many Gilas players have been hit by injuries? Malonzo, AJ Edu, Iskati Thompson, Kai, Dwight Ramos, & even Troy Rosario wasn't spared from injury. Those are 6 players getting injured in a 1 year span. For the coming 3rd window, we will be missing Kai, Troy & possibly Dwight Ramos (I hope not) becoz of respective injuries. What I'm saying is, injury to a team's player/s is inevitable, whether we like it or not. Hence the best way to deal with it is by having a right size pool (I mean not that big a pool) so that there will always be replacements for injured players. These injuries hitting our Gilas players should encourage coach Tim, Al Chua & the SBP to expand the pool. Just add 2 or 3 players in there, that's it.

 

[deku_midoriya2]

It has been confirmed that the next players in line for a Gilas callup are heading and abando. But I think they will only be inserted in the event both scottie and newsome cant play. As for wings, dwight can be replaced by oftana, KQ, malonzo and to an extent, Brownlee. For the bigs, Edu replaces Kai. The thing is the only without suitable or approximate replacement is JF, which is why QMB should be a shoo in as the 13th man.

 

[deku_midoriya2]

I know this is just a figure of speech but I strongly agree with U on this. As what I've implied, in a span of 1 year, how many Gilas players have been hit by injuries? Malonzo, AJ Edu, Iskati Thompson, Kai, Dwight Ramos, & even Troy Rosario wasn't spared from injury. Those are 6 players getting injured in a 1 year span. For the coming 3rd window, we will be missing Kai, Troy & possibly Dwight Ramos (I hope not) becoz of respective injuries. What I'm saying is, injury to a team's player/s is inevitable, whether we like it or not. Hence the best way to deal with it is by having a right size pool (I mean not that big a pool) so that there will always be replacements for injured players. These injuries hitting our Gilas players should encourage coach Tim, Al Chua & the SBP to expand the pool. Just add 2 or 3 players in there, that's it.

We have 4 reserves and 2 on negotiation. How many more do we need to add? 3? 4? 5? 10?

Oh I get it, not until my favorite player is picked.
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[JAMSKIE2]

You have to understand that these gilas 12 are contracted to Gilas already. Their contracts together the coaching staff's are not peanuts. These are probably the highest paying Filipino pro players. I can understand why it is hard to maintain another team. You can't expect players to join without allowances and compensation

Makes me wonder, why didn't we have this much problem with the big Gilas pool during the window qualifiers of the 2023 FIBA World Cup when coach Chot Reyes took over the Gilas coaching job from Tab Baldwin sometime in 2022? Remember that coach Chot had a bigger pool back then. I think Gilas pool at that time had around 20 players. And we all know that coach Chot is far from the most likeable basketball personality in Philippine basketball at that time. Coach Chot obviously didn't command respect & support at that time from the Philippine basketball community as compared to the respect & support coach Tim Cone draws from the Phi basketball community at present.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

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[JAMSKIE2]

We have 4 reserves and 2 on negotiation. How many more do we need to add? 3? 4? 5? 10?

Oh I get it, not until my favorite player is picked.
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2 ageing reserves? One of whom is supposed to have retired from the national team already more than a year ago but coach Tim have to ask him to come out of retirement everytime a Gilas big man gets injured?

And we are talking here of a 4-year national team program.

This isn't about seeing one's favorite player/s in the Gilas pool/team, but rather about Gilas getting the more serviceable players available.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

I think its safe to say that around 90% of sports media men here in the Philippines clamor for the expansion of Gilas pool amid the frequency of national team players hit by injuries. Yet we have a poster here ridiculing his fellow posters who share the same sentiment.

 

[Metta2]

How did Chot's large pool work out for him. How has CTC's tiny pool work out for him.

Troy was not part of any pool and so was Mason but the way they were included was so fast. So basically, everyone eligible can theoretically be included immediately if they want/need to. The stated goal is August so it will make sense to think in terms of that timeframe.

Whatever CTC is doing, he has his reasons for it (let's not over-estimate ourselves and think that the obvious ideas we come up with is something he hasn't taken into consideration). It's his "diskarte," and his recent results (and considering how unorthodox his method is) has afforded him the luxury of doing things his way.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

How did Chot's large pool work out for him. How has CTC's tiny pool work out for him.

Troy was not part of any pool and so was Mason but the way they were included was so fast. So basically, everyone eligible can theoretically be included immediately if they want/need to. The stated goal is August so it will make sense to think in terms of that timeframe.

Whatever CTC is doing, he has his reasons for it (let's not over-estimate ourselves and think that the obvious ideas we come up with is something he hasn't taken into consideration). It's his "diskarte," and his recent results has afforded him the luxury of doing things his way.

If you're reacting to my post (that's post No. 2455) well, the respective results between Chot's bigger pool as compared to coach Tim's small pool, is beside the point (We all know which pool/team is more successful). In my post (post No. 2455), I was just reacting to deku_midoriya​'s post (post No. 2448) in which he said like, it is hard to maintain a bigger pool becoz most of these Gilas players own lucrative contracts in the respective leagues that they play, therefore these national players have to be compensated well for them to play for the country. Bigger pool could mean bigger problem/burden. But as I argued, coach Chot's Gilas pool for the 2023 FIBA World Cup, which is bigger than coach Tim's current Gilas pool, didn't encounter that kind of problem. I think coach Chot's pool had around 20 players or more.

 

[Metta2]

If you're reacting to my post (that's post No. 2455) well, the respective results between Chot's bigger pool as compared to coach Tim's small pool, is beside the point (We all know which pool/team is more successful). In my post (post No. 2455), I was just reacting to deku_midoriya​'s post (post No. 2448) in which he said like, it is hard to maintain a bigger pool becoz most of these Gilas players own lucrative contracts in the respective leagues that they play, therefore these national players have to be compensated well for them to play for the country. Bigger pool could mean bigger problem/burden. But as I argued, coach Chot's Gilas pool for the 2023 FIBA World Cup, which is bigger than coach Tim's current Gilas pool, didn't encounter that kind of problem. I think coach Chot's pool had around 20 players or more.

It's not just you calling for a pool expansion.

And how can comparing Chot's large pool versus CTC's small pool be beside the point. We're trying to figure out what strategy is better. It's only rational to look at the results between large and small pools.

I'd rather use that empirical data than basing it on how many sports "writers" (someone funnily used the term stenographer) are asking for it.

And if you would really read and understand my statement...I'm for letting CTC do his own "diskarte." The pool size is just a part of that.

 

[JAMSKIE2]

It's not just you calling for a pool expansion.

And how can comparing Chot's large pool versus CTC's small pool be beside the point. We're trying to figure out what strategy is better. It's only rational to look at the results between large and small pools.

I'd rather use that empirical data than basing it on how many sports "writers" (someone funnily used the term stenographer) are asking for it.

And if you would really read and understand my statement...I'm for letting CTC do his own "diskarte." The pool size is just a part of that.

Sorry bro, but you obviously aren't getting what I'm implying. Read carefully my posts (posts 2455 & 2460 & the post of deku_midoriya (post 2448) to understand better. ​