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FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

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Hmm.. well 1st of all let's differentiate the straightforward process of a Fil Foreigner applying for a passport who had a registration of birth to a Philippine citizen , either Filipino parent registered child's birth witb consulate , or birth certificate states one parent is a Philippine citizen. This is easy and does not take special assistance.

What is difficult and requires assistance is when the parent at birth of child was no longer a Philippine citizen. In this case a family overseas is not in a position pt has the resources to act alone to fix their paper.

Now aa Now what might be the difference between Fil Ams and Fil Kiwis, many fil ams are already 2nd or 3rd generation migrants as the US as a destination to live had many Filipinos move in the 1980s or earlier., therfor it is natural and logical that the parent was no longer a Philippine citizen at birth of child or even more common is the parent was born in the US and has never secured Philippine citizenship.
compare this to New Zealand thst is onky recently a destination for Filipinos to migrate to , so like myself and at leaat 70 % of Filipinos in Nz we migrated when we were still Philippine citizens and if we had children , we were still recognized as Philippine citizens.

Would like to point out that mere lineage to an entnicity group, like African Americans all have lineage to an African country, is NOT an acceptable standard to rstablish legal connection to a nationality . The only universal means of establishing a legal connection to a nationality is still only thru legal documentation . This is true for any country

That makes sense. Also, I think since basketball is not that popular there, it's easier to stay on top of everyone. Less places to keep an eye on.

Hopefully, Australia, Canada and Europe will follow in your footsteps. There has got to be more undiscovered prospects in those places.
 
OT: which competition is more tougher? Asian basketball or Asian football? I know many participants in AFC than FIBA Asia but adding Australia to our zone in basketball is putting more tougher than Australia to AFC.. plus New Zealand is there too in basketball... I found some comments that Asian football competition is more tougher, w/c I disagree since having Australia and New Zealand in Asian basketball makes the competition more tougher than football... It just we are too good in basketball that's why we didn't felt that competition in Asian competition that much... I look at the top 10 rank of Asian teams both in football and basketball in terms of rankings, and I think basketball competition in Asia is more tougher...


FIBA Asia top 10 rankings:

Australia - 7
Japan - 21
New Zealand - 22
Iran - 28
Lebanon - 29
China - 30
Philippines - 34
Jordan - 35
Korea - 54
Saudi Arabia - 66

AFC top 10 rankings:

Japan - 15
Iran - 18
Korea - 23
Australia - 26
Qatar - 48
Iraq - 56
Saudi Arabia - 59
UAE - 63
Jordan - 64
Bahrain - 81


Worldwide no question football competition is tougher than basketball but I'm talking about Asian competition only... The best Asia/Pacific team in basketball is in the top 10 rankings while the top Asia/Pacific team is Japan at number 15...
 
Another thing is if you look those countries, Japan, Australia, Iran, Korea, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are only countries that make their both teams in top 10 rank both in football and basketball.. makes them they are the best team sports program in Asia.... Actually Jordan is the surprisingly make on that list.. A country is not that rich economically but they have good program in both popular sports worldwide... China meanwhile are disappointing in Asian football by not making in the top 10 in AFC rankings...
 
OT: which competition is more tougher? Asian basketball or Asian football? I know many participants in AFC than FIBA Asia but adding Australia to our zone in basketball is putting more tougher than Australia to AFC.. plus New Zealand is there too in basketball... I found some comments that Asian football competition is more tougher, w/c I disagree since having Australia and New Zealand in Asian basketball makes the competition more tougher than football... It just we are too good in basketball that's why we didn't felt that competition in Asian competition that much... I look at the top 10 rank of Asian teams both in football and basketball in terms of rankings, and I think basketball competition in Asia is more tougher...


FIBA Asia top 10 rankings:

Australia - 7
Japan - 21
New Zealand - 22
Iran - 28
Lebanon - 29
China - 30
Philippines - 34
Jordan - 35
Korea - 54
Saudi Arabia - 66

AFC top 10 rankings:

Japan - 15
Iran - 18
Korea - 23
Australia - 26
Qatar - 48
Iraq - 56
Saudi Arabia - 59
UAE - 63
Jordan - 64
Bahrain - 81


Worldwide no question football competition is tougher than basketball but I'm talking about Asian competition only... The best Asia/Pacific team in basketball is in the top 10 rankings while the top Asia/Pacific team is Japan at number 15...

for me AFC is tougher for various reasons…
 
for me AFC is tougher for various reasons…

Thailand who is the best in ASEAN cannot even crack the AFC Top 10. China even with multi million investments in player development and a top flight league that attracts mid tier European and south American cannot even reach the level of Korea, Japan, Iran and Saudi.
 
OT: which competition is more tougher? Asian basketball or Asian football? I know many participants in AFC than FIBA Asia but adding Australia to our zone in basketball is putting more tougher than Australia to AFC.. plus New Zealand is there too in basketball... I found some comments that Asian football competition is more tougher, w/c I disagree since having Australia and New Zealand in Asian basketball makes the competition more tougher than football... It just we are too good in basketball that's why we didn't felt that competition in Asian competition that much... I look at the top 10 rank of Asian teams both in football and basketball in terms of rankings, and I think basketball competition in Asia is more tougher...


FIBA Asia top 10 rankings:

Australia - 7
Japan - 21
New Zealand - 22
Iran - 28
Lebanon - 29
China - 30
Philippines - 34
Jordan - 35
Korea - 54
Saudi Arabia - 66

AFC top 10 rankings:

Japan - 15
Iran - 18
Korea - 23
Australia - 26
Qatar - 48
Iraq - 56
Saudi Arabia - 59
UAE - 63
Jordan - 64
Bahrain - 81


Worldwide no question football competition is tougher than basketball but I'm talking about Asian competition only... The best Asia/Pacific team in basketball is in the top 10 rankings while the top Asia/Pacific team is Japan at number 15...

AFC for sure. There’s more competition and it’s harder to progress out of the group stages in the AFC.

Just look at the performances of Thailand and Vietnam as of late. They are very good in the ASEAN level but can’t make a dent in the AFC. Indonesia has what now? 70% foreign born players?

Top ten in FIBA Asia means nothing. It should be looked at as:

Tier Elite:
Australia

Tier I:
Japan
Philippines
China
NZ
Lebanon
Jordan
Iran
Korea

Tier II:
Saudi
Bahrain
Qatar
India
Kazakhstan
Syria
Taiwan

We all know there’s a massive gap between Australia and Tier I teams already. The Tier II teams can challenge the Tier I teams from time to time but their records haven’t been impressive against those teams.
 
AFC for sure. There’s more competition and it’s harder to progress out of the group stages in the AFC.

Just look at the performances of Thailand and Vietnam as of late. They are very good in the ASEAN level but can’t make a dent in the AFC. Indonesia has what now? 70% foreign born players?

Top ten in FIBA Asia means nothing. It should be looked at as:

Tier Elite:
Australia

Tier I:
Japan
Philippines
China
Lebanon
Jordan
Iran
Korea

Tier II:
Saudi
Bahrain
Qatar
India
Kazakhstan
Syria
Taiwan

We all know there’s a massive gap between Australia and Tier I teams already. The Tier II teams can challenge the Tier I teams from time to time but their records haven’t been impressive against those teams.

You forgot to list the Tall Blacks.
 
I believe the golden generation of Japan will still be lording over us and the rest of Asia (except Australia) until the next Olympic cycle (2028) LA Olympics. Even if SBP succeed with FIBA in re-classifying Kouame and M. Phillips as local or homegrown. Even if QMB secured his Filipino passport before he reached 16. Still Japan is a tough nut to crack…
 
AFC for sure. There’s more competition and it’s harder to progress out of the group stages in the AFC.

Just look at the performances of Thailand and Vietnam as of late. They are very good in the ASEAN level but can’t make a dent in the AFC. Indonesia has what now? 70% foreign born players?

Top ten in FIBA Asia means nothing. It should be looked at as:

Tier Elite:
Australia

Tier I:
Japan
Philippines
China
NZ
Lebanon
Jordan
Iran
Korea

Tier II:
Saudi
Bahrain
Qatar
India
Kazakhstan
Syria
Taiwan

We all know there’s a massive gap between Australia and Tier I teams already. The Tier II teams can challenge the Tier I teams from time to time but their records haven’t been impressive against those teams.

Taiwan is in the odd position here - not so great against tier I teams but will definitely beat those in the tier II by atleast 15 points.
 
i want to see a full-force gilas vs a full force japan match. i think that would be a treat. i think we will win a squeaker. the combo of sotto and junemar will be too much to handle for japan.
 
for me AFC is tougher for various reasons…

You can said that because Gilas is a powerhouse team.. but if look at the general competition.. Australia in FIBA Asia is more competitive worldwide than Japan in AFC worldwide.. they even won bronze medal in 2020 Olympics... And if basketball is more easier, wealthy countries such as Saudi and Qatar are very competitive in basketball too..
 
Thailand who is the best in ASEAN cannot even crack the AFC Top 10. China even with multi million investments in player development and a top flight league that attracts mid tier European and south American cannot even reach the level of Korea, Japan, Iran and Saudi.

Thailand is not that strong in Asian level... China has no football culture... Only real Asian powerhouse in football are Japan, Korea, Saudi, Qatar, Jordan and Australia.. and unlike Basketball that Australia is lording over in Asian basketball, there is 6-7 AFC has a chance to win the title.. There is some argument if you are Filipinos, Chinese or Australians, they will tell basketball competition is easier.. but if you tell Koreans and all Arabia nations (except Lebanon), they will tell basketball is more harder and they have chance in football... Even some of football fans in the Philippines tell that we have more chance in football than basketball....
 
AFC for sure. There’s more competition and it’s harder to progress out of the group stages in the AFC.

Just look at the performances of Thailand and Vietnam as of late. They are very good in the ASEAN level but can’t make a dent in the AFC. Indonesia has what now? 70% foreign born players?

Top ten in FIBA Asia means nothing. It should be looked at as:

Tier Elite:
Australia

Tier I:
Japan
Philippines
China
NZ
Lebanon
Jordan
Iran
Korea

Tier II:
Saudi
Bahrain
Qatar
India
Kazakhstan
Syria
Taiwan

We all know there’s a massive gap between Australia and Tier I teams already. The Tier II teams can challenge the Tier I teams from time to time but their records haven’t been impressive against those teams.

So that means basketball competition is tougher... Why? You have one clear team who is very superior and very hard to beat.. in AFC, some teams can beat more higher rank teams in a given day... If you are Indonesian, they will tell they have a chance in football than basketball... We are only saying that basketball is easier because we are powerhouse in Asian basketball... If you tell Saudis or Qataris, they will tell football is very easy because they are strong in that field.. my basis is the level of competition.. Australia in basketball have more chance to win in world stage than Japan in football... AFC rank 10 Bahrain has a chance to beat rank 1 Japan than FIBA Asia rank 10 Saudi beating rank 1 Australia...
 
I believe the golden generation of Japan will still be lording over us and the rest of Asia (except Australia) until the next Olympic cycle (2028) LA Olympics. Even if SBP succeed with FIBA in re-classifying Kouame and M. Phillips as local or homegrown. Even if QMB secured his Filipino passport before he reached 16. Still Japan is a tough nut to crack…

For a country who is more obsessed with baseball,American football and soccer,they managed to find the fomula to succeed,where Gilas failed to do so.
 
For a country who is more obsessed with baseball,American football and soccer,they managed to find the fomula to succeed,where Gilas failed to do so.

The thing that enables Japan to do this is because they use their strategic and organizational expertise in sports. Countries without God-given optimal genetics (most Asians) are at a huge disadvantage when it comes to team sports.

Japan overcomes this disadvantage by using characteristics where they are world elite...hard-work, discipline, strategizing and long-term patience/outlook...things that also make them an economic powerhouse. In sports, this is best illustrated by their "Koshien" baseball...an almost maniacal approach starting at a young age to become good at baseball. They also recently adapted this into basketball to great effect. They already have a blueprint for team success and the innate discipline required so it's just a matter of them applying it to different sports.

The "10,000 hour rule" (to become world-elite) that I've mentioned before is child's play for the Japanese. For them it's more like the 30,000 hour rule.
 
The thing that enables Japan to do this is because they use their strategic and organizational expertise in sports. Countries without God-given optimal genetics (most Asians) are at a huge disadvantage when it comes to team sports.

Japan overcomes this disadvantage by using characteristics where they are world elite...hard-work, discipline, strategizing and long-term patience/outlook...things that also make them an economic powerhouse. In sports, this is best illustrated by their "Koshien" baseball...an almost maniacal approach starting at a young age to become good at baseball. They also recently adapted this into basketball to great effect. They already have a blueprint for team success and the innate discipline required so it's just a matter of them applying it to different sports.

The "10,000 hour rule" (to become world-elite) that I've mentioned before is child's play for the Japanese. For them it's more like the 30,000 hour rule.

Most Filipino workers/players are hardworkers but lacks patience as well as discipline. The constant changing of coach as well as the fans demanding coaching change every mishaps are the good illustrations of that.

Note: I am one of the supporters of Chot's ouster and I am very thankful that he resigned. We are in good hands with Tim Cone right now.
 
For a country who is more obsessed with baseball,American football and soccer,they managed to find the fomula to succeed,where Gilas failed to do so.

They are good in all sports.. they are even better than 95% of Asian countries who obsess in football... Atleast we are doing better in our sport that we love than 90% of Asian countries who love football a lot
 
Most Filipino workers/players are hardworkers but lacks patience as well as discipline. The constant changing of coach as well as the fans demanding coaching change every mishaps are the good illustrations of that.

Note: I am one of the supporters of Chot's ouster and I am very thankful that he resigned. We are in good hands with Tim Cone right now.

In terms of basketball, the thing I notice when it comes to working hard...during games, yes Pinoys are all-out hard workers..."makikipag-palitan ng mukha." Where we are lacking is in working hard in preparation of games...early youth training and practice. Working hard during the boring moments.

It's highly evident in shooting. Shooting is all about repetition and confidence, shooting hundreds/thousands of shots regularly is the way to be elite in shooting. If Pinoys are doing that, we'd have better shooters.

Our lack of highly-skilled tall players also indicates the lack of strategized hard work. When a kid is ultra tall, it's easier to just use that size/height to dominate. It's harder for taller young kids to train in skills than it is for shorter kids, but training those tall kids in skills early on is what is needed. Same with athleticism, the earlier a kid works on it, the higher ceiling he gets in terms of athleticism.

These things are especially true the further you go back. Older pinoy players rarely worked on skills outside of games and only a few did regular gym workouts. The arrival of the Filfors was the catalyst for locals to work harder.
 
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