FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[zairex2]

SBP actually tried get an exception for Clarkson, but aa clearly discussed below he did NOT meet any of primary requirements of Residency and Domestic play for exception , SBP didn't file for an exception for either Kouame or Brownlee. Hope you get the lesson learned here .

I am going circle with you.

I was talking to deku_midoriya not you.

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[DAdmiral2]

BTW there' is simple principle to note here , one cannot use an approval of others as basis for justification that there case should be approved as well. Why is this ? Cause each case is uniquely different, we don't really know all the details of each specific case .
in the case of Harris his case does not have any factors know that would disqualify him from an exception. He has residency and Domestic league play ( however short). FIBA guidelines has no minimum requirements for residency or domestic play. ( So he's not disqualified for exception), Clarkson on the other had is indeed disqualified for exception based on the primary basis for exception.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Gilas still rank 34 after the 2nd window of Fiba Asia cup qualifiers

 

[DAdmiral2]

People need to understand the difference between lineage to an entnicity with lineage to a nationality. 90 % of NBA players have lineage to an African entnicity, but it doesn't follow they all have documented connection to specific country made up of mostly African decent. In the same way most 2nd and 3rd generation Fil foreigners while they have entnicity lineage no longer have an acceptable standard of documentation to be connected to natural born Filipino or citizen.

Child to connection to a Philippine citizen is a measurable qualification standard , you either have verification or not, there is no in between or 1/4 or 1/8 Filipino stuff. That's irrelevant in today's world of significant movement of people

 

[DAdmiral2]

Point below is very relevant limited to exceptions ,
not securing a Philippine passport in the 1st instance the reason being is Philippine laws and way passport are processed can reestablish the connection from ancestors as the case of many Fil foreigners who were able to process their passport despite initially not having a direct verifiable connection to a former Philippine citizen.

While there are workaround to get a Philippine passport for those who have distant lineage and no current connectuon offcially citezen the same can't be used for exception , as you cannot retroactively change past records , official record held in international Intelligence records shows that the subject has NO citizenship connection for a specified period ( from 2010 to 2024)

 

[DAdmiral2]

Essentially what this means is any fil foreigner or foreign citizen who has failed to secire a passpoet before 16 years old has no alternative but to establish significant years of residency and domestic league play. starting from a young age , preferably as a minor , before turning 19 . The latter is basd on the exception is for a U16 cuttoff rule

 

[zairex2]

BTW there' is simple principle to note here , one cannot use an approval of others as basis for justification that there case should be approved as well. Why is this ? Cause each case is uniquely different, we don't really know all the details of each specific case .
in the case of Harris his case does not have any factors know that would disqualify him from an exception. He has residency and Domestic league play ( however short). FIBA guidelines has no minimum requirements for residency or domestic play. ( So he's not disqualified for exception), Clarkson on the other had is indeed disqualified for exception based on the primary basis for exception.

Learn about jurisprudence

Again it's all about influence rather than common sense or fairness

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Essentially what this means is any fil foreigner or foreign citizen who has failed to secire a passpoet before 16 years old has no alternative but to establish significant years of residency and domestic league play. starting from a young age , preferably as a minor , before turning 19 . The latter is basd on the exception is for a U16 cuttoff rule

Correct... Actually many countries now doing this practice


Mohammed Gadiaga (Taiwan)- reside in Taiwan since 8 years old, granted his passport after 16.. become Fiba local eligible just last year

Mamadou Ndiaye (UAE) - Reside in Dubai at 2017, played many time in UAE national team either 5x5 or 3x3, played in various local leagues in UAE, granted his passport early 2022, became Fiba local eligible early this year

Khalid Abdel Gabbar (KSA) - Reside in Saudi since 2016, played many national team stint since 2017, played in various local leagues in KSA, granted his passport since 2017 (Naturalization in Saudi needs to convert to Islam) and now just granted FIBA local eligible yesterday...

Freddie Lish (Thailand) - Reside in Taiwan since 2014, played and stayed in Thailand for 8 years in any Thai league... Granted his local status in late 2022....

Brandon Jawato (Indonesia) - Reside in Indonesia since 2015, played numerous leagues in Indonesia either IBL or ABL, granted his passport and local status late 2020...


Actually even Joel Embiid can be local eligible for USA if they wanted too.. Embiid already reside in USA since 2014 since when he was drafted.. already have house residency and his child born there...

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

Speaking of Khaled Abdel Gabbar and KSA... Like Qatar, they were given privilege by FIBA since they will host the main Fiba Asia cup next year (although unlike Qatar, KSA's case is more clearer and no controversy since Khaled already with Saudi team since 2017, thus his case is very valid).. that means the can hire new naturalized player (actually I thought before Khaled is a local), I said many times before, their main problem is offense... they are one of the bottom 5 in terms of offense out of 24 teams participating while they are top 5 in defense.. KSA is mainly a defensive team, very versatile and might give teams trouble, especially East Asian teams... They badly need a naturalized scorer that can gather buckets if the locals struggling to get points (ala George King).. If they get an import who can score buckets, they can give top 10 teams (maybe except Australia) run for their money... Especially they are playing at home...

 

[sroth38392]

Speaking of Khaled Abdel Gabbar and KSA... Like Qatar, they were given privilege by FIBA since they will host the main Fiba Asia cup next year (although unlike Qatar, KSA's case is more clearer and no controversy since Khaled already with Saudi team since 2017, thus his case is very valid).. that means the can hire new naturalized player (actually I thought before Khaled is a local), I said many times before, their main problem is offense... they are one of the bottom 5 in terms of offense out of 24 teams participating while they are top 5 in defense.. KSA is mainly a defensive team, very versatile and might give teams trouble, especially East Asian teams... They badly need a naturalized scorer that can gather buckets if the locals struggling to get points (ala George King).. If they get an import who can score buckets, they can give top 10 teams (maybe except Australia) run for their money... Especially they are playing at home...

KSA is also 2-13 against the top 10 teams.

Those two wins against Jordan and Japan were because the latter two didn't have their key players.

Depth is their biggest problem. Outside Al-Suwailem, they don't have other bigs besides an ageing Al-Marwani. Their wings and back court are undersized. They rely on outside shooting against much bigger teams. Iraq exploited this and nearly stole the game in their last encounter.

A naturalized player may help but I doubt it'll be enough.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

KSA is also 2-13 against the top 10 teams.

Those two wins against Jordan and Japan were because the latter two didn't have their key players.

Depth is their biggest problem. Outside Al-Suwailem, they don't have other bigs besides an ageing Al-Marwani. Their wings and back court are undersized. They rely on outside shooting against much bigger teams. Iraq exploited this and nearly stole the game in their last encounter.

A naturalized player may help but I doubt it'll be enough.

Depending what kind of naturalized they will get... If it is same as RHJ, they might have a shot... Jordan w/o RHJ is a mid tier Asian team.. they almost lose to Palestine and Iraq... But with RHJ, they are in top 5 Asian team... They badly need a do it all NP ala Brownlee or RHJ to upgrade their chances...

 

[FilWelsh2]

Correct... Actually many countries now doing this practice


Mohammed Gadiaga (Taiwan)- reside in Taiwan since 8 years old, granted his passport after 16.. become Fiba local eligible just last year

Mamadou Ndiaye (UAE) - Reside in Dubai at 2017, played many time in UAE national team either 5x5 or 3x3, played in various local leagues in UAE, granted his passport early 2022, became Fiba local eligible early this year

Khalid Abdel Gabbar (KSA) - Reside in Saudi since 2016, played many national team stint since 2017, played in various local leagues in KSA, granted his passport since 2017 (Naturalization in Saudi needs to convert to Islam) and now just granted FIBA local eligible yesterday...

Freddie Lish (Thailand) - Reside in Taiwan since 2014, played and stayed in Thailand for 8 years in any Thai league... Granted his local status in late 2022....

Brandon Jawato (Indonesia) - Reside in Indonesia since 2015, played numerous leagues in Indonesia either IBL or ABL, granted his passport and local status late 2020...


Actually even Joel Embiid can be local eligible for USA if they wanted too.. Embiid already reside in USA since 2014 since when he was drafted.. already have house residency and his child born there...

so taking this info into account it is safe to say that SBP has a chance of positive outcome if they facilitate for Kouame’s exception. Ange started his residency in Philippines in October 2016 and that’s already 8 years…

https://theguidon.com/2018/09/spotlight-angelo-kouame/

 

[FilWelsh2]

If re-classified by FIBA as local, Ange can be utilised as resident player (on-call status) for Gilas program. And if not allowed as local by PBA then he can be tap in EASL games whenever an MVP backed team qualified…

 

[DAdmiral2]

so taking this info into account it is safe to say that SBP has a chance of positive outcome if they facilitate for Kouame’s exception. Ange started his residency in Philippines in October 2016 and that’s already 8 years…

https://theguidon.com/2018/09/spotlight-angelo-kouame/

Exactly, definitely better chance the Clarkson, who they focused on for an exception rather than Kouame, (against my advise ) and against the clear guidelines explicitly provided by FIBA. This is the problem when you have people decide not based on sound analysis but based on emotional understanding of what they feel is right ( meron dugo).. adherence to policy for good outcomes has nothing to do with nationalism pride, people could never get around the mindset that a African Naturalized player Kouame meets requirements more the supposedly someone who has distant lineage (who people consider Pinoy)

 

[DAdmiral2]

so taking this info into account it is safe to say that SBP has a chance of positive outcome if they facilitate for Kouame’s exception. Ange started his residency in Philippines in October 2016 and that’s already 8 years…

https://theguidon.com/2018/09/spotlight-angelo-kouame/

Exactly, definitely better chance than Clarkson, who they focused on for an exception rather than Kouame, (against my advise ) and against the clear guidelines explicitly provided by FIBA. This is the problem when you have people decide not based on sound analysis but based on emotional understanding of what they feel is right ( meron dugo).. adherence to policy for good outcomes has nothing to do with nationalism pride, people could never get around the mindset that a African Naturalized player Kouame meets requirements more than supposedly someone who has distant lineage (who people consider Pinoy)

some people in SBP have also incorrectly advised that once classified as NP , one cannot be reclassified to a local, this is false , and actually has no provision cited. Again people getting emotional pretending they know the subject , the subject is NOT Philippines law, but international policy., both FIBA and what internationally is an acceptable verification that can be applied universally , one policy can never apply to every nations laws.

this is directed to the Qunito of this world (or similar mindset ). They based things on our unque cultural and system understanding of things , NOT how things are applied universally for many. Big difference

 

[JAMSKIE2]

Exactly, definitely better chance than Clarkson, who they focused on for an exception rather than Kouame, (against my advise ) and against the clear guidelines explicitly provided by FIBA. This is the problem when you have people decide not based on sound analysis but based on emotional understanding of what they feel is right ( meron dugo).. adherence to policy for good outcomes has nothing to do with nationalism pride, people could never get around the mindset that a African Naturalized player Kouame meets requirements more than supposedly someone who has distant lineage (who people consider Pinoy)

some people in SBP have also incorrectly advised that once classified as NP , one cannot be reclassified to a local, this is false , and actually has no provision cited. Again people getting emotional pretending they know the subject , the subject is NOT Philippines law, but international policy., both FIBA and what internationally is an acceptable verification that can be applied universally , one policy can never apply to every nations laws.

this is directed to the Qunito of this world (or similar mindset ). They based things on our unque cultural and system understanding of things , NOT how things are applied universally for many. Big difference

May I ask, is there any player who used to play for his national team as a naturalized player then later on was granted by FIBA an exemption & thus began to play as a local player for his national team?

 

[DAdmiral2]

May I ask, is there any player who used to play for his national team as a naturalized player then later on was granted by FIBA an exemption & thus began to play as a local player for his national team?

actually a few , many who played in youth teams (wont mention local names) , who failed to get passport before 16 , were originally classified for the tournament as NP ( quota of 1) to play, then reclassified for the future. also if you read the article below on Abassi he was originally classified as a NP. Do note the submission advise given for Koume if we were to use him as a NP was to include this should not prejudice his application ( if submited) for exception. There really are sensible ways of addressing this , problem is SBP and our ways are to hard headed and to close in mindset ( we only think of our laws- meron dugo , and supposedly rights , which is not the issue at all

 

[IPC2]

actually a few , many who played in youth teams (wont mention local names) , who failed to get passport before 16 , were originally classified for the tournament as NP ( quota of 1) to play, then reclassified for the future. also if you read the article below on Abassi he was originally classified as a NP. Do note the submission advise given for Koume if we were to use him as a NP was to include this should not prejudice his application ( if submited) for exception. There really are sensible ways of addressing this , problem is SBP and our ways are to hard headed and to close in mindset ( we only think of our laws- meron dugo , and supposedly rights , which is not the issue at all

Brandon Jawato was a naturalized Indonesian citizen, and he's classified as FIBA-eligible for Indonesia. I know he might not be the best example to use in arguing for Ange's case in our context, since he had an Indonesian bloodline, but this is a naturalized citizen becoming FIBA-eligible as a local.

 

[ja.he2]

May I ask, is there any player who used to play for his national team as a naturalized player then later on was granted by FIBA an exemption & thus began to play as a local player for his national team?

Abasi has a naturalized player status prior to his localization.

 

[live_evil2]

so who is the idiot who won't pursue kouame's local status? my bet is Panlilio.