FIBA ASIA Cup Qualifiers

[DAdmiral2]

Clarkson's mother was still recognized by our law as Filipino because she didn't perform a performative action to say he would relinquish her Filipino Citizenship. Hence, Clarkson, upon birth, could be recognized as Filipino. That's why he has a Filipino passport.

Did someone told you otherwise.

The official records in immigration database says otherwise, the family actually has made a declaration as part of US home land security that they have no known citizenship other than US . For whatever reason that i won't disclose i have visibility of the records. This is what people are not aware of when providing documents for application approval, verification isn't based on authentication of the document itself (e.g. Mircochip etc ) but actual matching with international intelligence records, FIBA central based in Switzerland as a partner of the shared information records had access to the database. The information is the basis of verification on matter such as visa application and a like

 

[DAdmiral2]

Based on MVP spending and doing everything for Gilas, I think it easy to side with the notion that they did push it but FIBA didn't allow Koume to be local. What logical reason would MVP had to not pushed for Koume.

They did initially , i actually prepared the case points for Ange that were presented to MVP and then SBP , but moved was put on hold , when Tab was replaced as Program director, rest is history . Ange case was never eventually pushed through , instead they focused on JC

 

[ja.he2]

You did not answer the question. Since you claimed earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is having a natural-born parent, then it follows that JBLs natural-born citizen grandkids will be "dugong Pinoy"

If you exempt JBLs grandkids from "dugong Pinoy", this just shows that your interpretation of "dugong Pinoy" is not based on being natural born but is in relation to ethnicity or even race. This belies your claim earlier that "dugong Pinoy" is in relation to being "natural born citizens".

And JBLs case is not "special". Many ethnic Chinese had parents or even grandparents who naturalized. The only difference is JBL is of Black American origin

I think that the post is not intended on me. hehe

 

[DAdmiral2]

Even more absurd once you learn that indigenous Taiwanese , Malagasy people, Chamorros, people from Sulawesi will be labeled as "Filipino and Austronesian" by genetic tests.​

actually based on NBTC eligibility rules , which states as long as you can present evidence that one's ancestor lived in what was once considered the Philippines. all of them are approved as eligible to play in NBTC , now you know why you can have a Hepa, Jaylen Green etc in the NBTC , it's crazy stretch of scope when you say anyone with dugong pinoy is filipino lol

 

[zairex2]

The official records in immigration database says otherwise, the family actually has made a declaration as part of US home land security that they have no known citizenship other than US . For whatever reason that i won't disclose i have visibility of the records. This is what people are not aware of when providing documents for application approval, verification isn't based on authentication of the document itself (e.g. Mircochip etc ) but actual matching with international intelligence records, FIBA central based in Switzerland as a partner of the shared information records had access to the database. The information is the basis of verification on matter such as visa application and a like

Just checking, you have access to immigration documentation? Are you an immigration officer or something.

Still is declared as a Filipino by our laws.

Still why did Qatar Harris get approved compare to JC. Its a retorical question.

 

[ja.he2]

These FIBA rules on eligibility makes me believe that the notion that Filipinos are not genetically built for basketball should be debunked.

You can make a foreigner eligible as local since there is way to make them like that. We can identify 4 Fil-Foreign teens and process their passports right away. Then a naturalized player. The rest are homegrowns.

Now, you a 12-man roster out of that.

 

[DAdmiral2]

These FIBA rules on eligibility makes me believe that the notion that Filipinos are not genetically built for basketball should be debunked.

You can make a foreigner eligible as local since there is way to make them like that. We can identify 4 Fil-Foreign teens and process their passports right away. Then a naturalized player. The rest are homegrowns.

Now, you a 12-man roster out of that.

given the rules, the bold part should be the focus of the SBP , the thing is the rules have been well established for 15 years now , yet we have failed to adopt. And it's not like we cant process their passport eventually when an incentive is provided ( look at how many players have had their passport processed for UAAP and PBA when an incentive is given) , problem is processign came late. (so not eligbile

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

What do you think will be the latest rankings of Gilas after their huge win vs NZL? Remember, beating higher rank team means higher points in ranking point system.. Can we outrank China and Iran before Fiba Asia comes? That's why our meeting vs NZL again in February is huge especially in rankings because beating NZL again especially in road will give us more huge points since what I know winning on a road game against higher rank team will get double points in ranking system... And with Iran lose to Qatar, their ranking points will decrease...

 

[ja.he2]

given the rules, the bold part should be the focus of the SBP , the thing is the rules have been well established for 15 years now , yet we have failed to adopt. And it's not like we cant process their passport eventually when an incentive is provided ( look at how many players have had their passport processed for UAAP and PBA when an incentive is given) , problem is processign came late. (so not eligbile

I think that FSAs are quite easier to recruit than to recruit teenage Fil-Foreigners. Those players, especially from Africa, will grab the chance to study and have a degree in a country far better than theirs. There is an opportunity to continue their basketball career after college as well. Enlisting them as early as junior high school (grade 7-10/12-16 years old), will bolster their chances to be classified as a local.

Recruiting teenage Fil-Foreigners is whole different story in my opinion.

 

[zairex2]

given the rules, the bold part should be the focus of the SBP , the thing is the rules have been well established for 15 years now , yet we have failed to adopt. And it's not like we cant process their passport eventually when an incentive is provided ( look at how many players have had their passport processed for UAAP and PBA when an incentive is given) , problem is processign came late. (so not eligbile

Ruies that can be thrown away like in Kyle Harris case. I think just pay FIBA and then select any player we need.

 

[Sikatrix2]

Ruies that can be thrown away like in Kyle Harris case. I think just pay FIBA and then select any player we need.

Not that easy. Fiba has many clients including our rivals in asia.

 

[DAdmiral2]

As they say in basketball , adjust to how the referee is calling the game and the actual rules, if they allow you to hit the ball while on the rim and not be called for goal tending , adopt.
if referees in FIBA are calling hand check fouls or travelling calls different from how they apply it in the domestic league, adjust and adopt. reality of life

it's not just the Philippines that has to navigate the envoronment of how FIBA operates. there are hundred other countries who also don't have the resouces that Qatar has, and despite that Qatar's not more successful than others , and others aren't complaining. The world order of who are the top ranked teams are still generally based on who produces the best players.
Would be sily for 1 federation to be dong the complaining, and complaining about a lowly ranked team.

 

[zairex2]

As they say in basketball , adjust to how the referee is calling the game and the actual rules, if they allow you to hit the ball while on the rim and not be called for goal tending , adopt.
if referees in FIBA are calling hand check fouls or travelling calls different from how they apply it in the domestic league, adjust and adopt. reality of life

it's not just the Philippines that has to navigate the envoronment of how FIBA operates. there are hundred other countries who also don't have the resouces that Qatar has, and despite that Qatar's not more successful than others , and others aren't complaining. The world order of who are the top ranked teams are still generally based on who produces the best players.
Would be sily for 1 federation to be dong the complaining, and complaining about a lowly ranked team.

That is not adjusting to a call. That's manipulating the rules to make one team win. Changing the rule you set 15 years ago and enforcing it to other teams. Then change it to accommodate a team is not fair.

FIBA really didn't do it for the fairness of the game.

Just last window, how can you count a basket when the time remaining is .4 of a second then the ball was tap away and Spain made a turn around shot to tie the ball game
This happen in Spain vs Slovakia. With all the technologies they didn't made the right call on that.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

As they say in basketball , adjust to how the referee is calling the game and the actual rules, if they allow you to hit the ball while on the rim and not be called for goal tending , adopt.
if referees in FIBA are calling hand check fouls or travelling calls different from how they apply it in the domestic league, adjust and adopt. reality of life

it's not just the Philippines that has to navigate the envoronment of how FIBA operates. there are hundred other countries who also don't have the resouces that Qatar has, and despite that Qatar's not more successful than others , and others aren't complaining. The world order of who are the top ranked teams are still generally based on who produces the best players.
Would be sily for 1 federation to be dong the complaining, and complaining about a lowly ranked team.

It's not about high ranked or low ranked team doing that stuff... We are talking about integrity, fairness of the sport.. Qatar might not affecting high ranked teams, but it does for low ranked teams who playing fair and square with dignity... What if teams like Japan or China will do the same what Qatar does? Are you ok with that? If they still abusing the rule and find that loophole then better to scrap the Hagop rule.. it will benefit more teams such as Vietnam and Cambodia, many countries will get their groove to join Fiba more since they can compete now with their heritage players...

 

[JAMSKIE2]

It's not about high ranked or low ranked team doing that stuff... We are talking about integrity, fairness of the sport.. Qatar might not affecting high ranked teams, but it does for low ranked teams who playing fair and square with dignity... What if teams like Japan or China will do the same what Qatar does? Are you ok with that? If they still abusing the rule and find that loophole then better to scrap the Hagop rule.. it will benefit more teams such as Vietnam and Cambodia, many countries will get their groove to join Fiba more since they can compete now with their heritage players...

With Qatar having 2 world imports playing together as only one of them is considered as naturalized player, expect Qatar to overtake fellow Gulf countries Saudi Arabia, Bahrain - something that Qatar would have difficulty doing if it is only allowed 1 world import in its team.

 

[Giannis34GOD2]

With Qatar having 2 world imports playing together as only one of them is considered as naturalized player, expect Qatar to overtake fellow Gulf countries Saudi Arabia, Bahrain - something that Qatar would have difficulty doing if it is only allowed 1 world import in its team.

I don't know since Gulf competition is tough, all of them are in same level... Bahrain won last Gulf championships last summer, they beat that Qatar team with Harris and Lewis played together.. now Bahrain lose to UAE, that has also 2 foreign players played together too.. it's all about match ups in Gulf... Although in UAE, Ndiaye is a local since he is already doing residency in Dubai for more than 5 years while their naturalized is Dickerson... Saudi is consistent this qualifiers especially if they are playing at their home... I'm also looking for Kai Sotto vs Al Suwailem match up.. offensively Kai is miles better but in defense, I think Al Suwailem is better, his awareness on defense is better than Kai, I watch Al suwailem so many times, he's so very good at shot blocking ability, in Iraq game, there are many open shots that Iraqis could have taken but Al Suwailem swating it away despite there is a 1 meter away from that position.. if Al Suwailem have offensive plays, he could be a better player...

 

[DAdmiral2]

So far there is no official complaint from any federation.

What isn't logical is to use Qatar so-called discretion practice, to justify that our ineligible should be exempted,
SBP should make it's case for whoever they feel shoold be exempted based on the guidelines of exception , r
1 residency
2. domestic play and
3. Other connections- connection to a verified citizen as a bonus. (NOT lineage to a non citizen who happens to have Filipino like enthicity).

Now question does the most notable player (CLARKSON) who is well documented as who the SBP focus on getting an exception, meet any of the explicit guidelines?

2nd question are there Filipino players who match more the criteria who the SBP has not filed for an exception? Note the consequences if one gets exempted- he can potentially play in the B league..

3rd question, one are most fans misguided views on what is the basis for exception, isn't it a well know fact that everyone is complaining about the Clarksons due to meron dugo ( a misguided understanding of who has a legal documented connection)

 

[DAdmiral2]

Now if you want to objectively talk about fair practice and no hanky panky magic moves.

You realize rhe SBP officially made a press release and presented visibole over the internet Clarkson had a Philippine passport at 14 years old, only later to retract both the statement and the citing of the passport after being found out that the passport was actually falsified , based on international intelligence record

Let's not be so quick to judge, without 1st looking at what are practices are .

 

[zairex2]

Now if you want to objectively talk about fair practice and no hanky panky magic moves.

You realize rhe SBP officially made a press release and presented visibole over the internet Clarkson had a Philippine passport at 14 years old, only later to retract both the statement and the citing of the passport after being found out that the passport was actually falsified , based on international intelligence record

Let's not be so quick to judge, without 1st looking at what are practices are .

Again why is Harris exempted. It's not
​​about just making clear how not to be eligible but also how is Harris is eligible. It's in called the bylaws for a reason

 

[DAdmiral2]

guidelines of exception , r
1 residency
2. domestic play and
3. Other connections- connection to a verified citizen as a bonus. (NOT lineage to a non citizen who happens to have Filipino like enthicity)., contribution to the growth of the sport (camps )